Military Medicine merger by Jan 2007?!

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Sept. 25, 2006
Army Times
Medical merger
Putting all health workers under one command would standardize training,
boost jointness, doc says

By Gayle
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Staff writer

The most sweeping overhaul of the military's medical system in more than
60 years would combine all Army, Air Force and Navy hospitals, clinics,
doctors and staff under a single joint medical command.

And it would do all that in the next three months.

The Defense Business Board, a panel of senior business executives who
act as advisers to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, recommended Sept.
6 that Rumsfeld immediately appoint a transition team and pull together
the unified medical command by Jan. 1.

The Army and Navy support the concept, which, according to the Center
for Naval Analyses, could save $344 million or more. But the Air Force
is vigorously opposed to a wholesale combination of medical assets,
fearing that wing commanders would lose control of a vital support
function on their bases.

Some Defense Department officials, as well as lawmakers, are advocating
a cautious, incremental approach. But board members said there is no
reason to delay.

"We're saying, don't wait until fiscal '08 to begin," said Henry
Dreifus, founder and CEO of Dreifus Associates Limited Inc., a business
consulting firm. Dreifus headed the business board task group that
studied the unified medical command concept.

"There is no reason not to do this sooner," he said.

Under the plan:

* Tricare would need to be realigned to work alongside the new unified
command.

* The Pentagon's Office of Health Affairs would take over policy
control, budget authority and accountability and oversight of all
medical health activities.

* All fixed military clinics and hospitals would come under the unified
command, including research, contracting, logistics and training.

* Emergency and operational field care would stay under the individual
services, at least for the time being.

"The whole idea here is to continue to provide outstanding health care
to the active and the retiree," said William "Gus" Pagonis, head of the
Defense Business Board and a retired Army three-star who served as
logistics chief in the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

What a unified medical command means to the average Joe or Jane is not
yet clear, but redundant medical facilities serving different military
populations likely could be eliminated as those medical facilities start
to look more purple and serve multiple military communities in the Air
Force, Navy, Army and Marine Corps instead of being focused on just one,
board members said.

Training of medical personnel could also be streamlined.

"Part of the unification will then bring the way we educate and train
these people to common standards," Dreifus said. "Common logistics means
you will be able to have better force projection across the services
with the delivery of that medicine and not have people working with
incompatible equipment or procedures."

All this could bring changes to manning within the medical community -
but it does not necessarily mean shrinking medical personnel within the
military, Pagonis said.

Pentagon officials acknowledge that areas such as logistics, operations
and purchasing are replicated in triplicate within each service, said
Dr. David Tornberg, deputy assistant secretary of defense for clinical
and program policy.

Consolidating communications, data sharing and personnel management
would save money - and perhaps, lives - by making delivery of care
quicker and more efficient, he said.

Some hesitation

Still, Pentagon officials are far from ready to jump onboard. Tornberg
said combining some or all of the military's medical efforts into a
joint command is something the Pentagon has been seriously considering
for nearly a year - and they're still not done.

"This is an evolutionary process," Tornberg said. "I'm a proponent of
the concept, but I think it has to be done in a very deliberate way."

Rep. John McHugh, R-N.Y, chairman of the House Armed Services military
personnel panel that has jurisdiction over military medical issues,
agreed, saying unification seems inevitable but should not be rushed.

"It is important we have the best information available so we do this
right because we are, after all, talking about the health of service
members, retirees and their families," he said. "There are
interoperability issues that have to be worked out, which is one of the
major concerns expressed by the Army and Navy."

McHugh suggested a joint medical command could be based on the same
model as the U.S. Special Operations Command.

Operational mission orders come from the joint command and units work
together jointly, but troops still keep all of the benefits, promotion
regulations and traditions of their individual services. The command has
a joint headquarters planning and budgeting staff but also has
lower-level commands for service-specific capabilities.

McHugh said Congress won't move on this immediately, but "we need a
decision by the fiscal 2008 budget."

The BRAC effect

While Tornberg said he is not operating under any sort of time line to
set up a fully functioning joint medical command, there is an
expectation that some changes will have to come sooner rather than
later.

Some of that will be spurred by decisions made in the 2005 base
realignment and closure process, which is already pushing the services
toward increased "jointness" in the health care arena.

Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the National Navy Medical Center in
Bethesda, Md., for example, will cease to exist by the end of fiscal
2011, merging at the Bethesda site to become the Walter Reed National
Military Medical Center.

The Bethesda campus also will continue to be the home of the Uniformed
Services University of the Health Sciences.

The most recent BRAC round also will create the joint San Antonio
Regional Medical Center at Brooke Army Medical Center, where enlisted
medical technicians from all services will train. Medical specialty
training for the Army is now done at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio,
the Air Force at Sheppard Air Force Base, Texas, and the Navy at three
locations across the nation.

The services have already proved they can work well together at joint
facilities abroad. Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany has been
a cooperative Army/Air Force effort for more than 10 years. Balad
Hospital in Iraq is also an Army/Air Force facility.

Air Force objections

Still, the Air Force strongly opposes a unified medical command for fear
it would lose some of its service-specific capabilities.

Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne flatly said he is unwilling to cede
control to a centralized medical command, and added that the culture of
the Air Force would suffer if he did.

"Telling me that I have to forgo a unity of command on an individual air
base, from where I fight, and cede that command responsibility to
somebody else so that the wing commander no longer has cognizance over
his pilots' health, is a nonstarter for the Air Force," Wynne said in an
interview.

The Navy and Army, Wynne said, "don't fight from the bases they live
on," which makes them more willing to cede command authority in this
instance.

Under the unified command approach, Navy ships would deploy with Navy
doctors and corpsmen, Army units would deploy with Army doctors and
medics, but Air Force pilots flying bombing runs from their home bases
would return to hospitals manned by all manner of medical personnel.

Air Force Surgeon General Lt. Gen. (Dr.) James Roudebush made it clear,
however, that his service does not oppose the entire idea of a joint
medical command.

"We very strongly agree that there are opportunities for savings" in
such areas as eliminating redundancy and reducing costs on graduate
medical education, information technology, logistics and acquisitions
systems, Roudebush said.

Gains from working together

But Vice Adm. Donald Arthur, the Navy surgeon general, said the services
have nothing to lose and everything to gain by working together more on
the medical front.

"I think we would gain a lot of efficiencies by standardization of
equipment and training and things like that," he said. "What we would
gain is the ability to interoperate in combat service support with the
other services a lot better. So our communication would be better, we
would be able to swap people and equipment, and the flow of patients
would be facilitated."

The main advantage, Arthur said, would be in standardizing "the people
that we have, their training, the equipment, the supplies, the financial
management systems, the metrics, the communication, so that we are more
like a single operating medical system to support the joint war
fighter."

Col. Bernard DeKoning, the Army's assistant surgeon general for force
protection, said his service supports a unified medical command concept,
which he described as an outgrowth of joint efforts that have gone on
for some time. "The services have worked together for years in many
areas of health care, such as research, education, training and in
certain geographic areas where it makes sense to share health care
services," he said.

In congressional testimony earlier this year, Army Surgeon General Lt.
Gen. Kevin Kiley was quite candid in his Army-to-Air Force medical
comparisons.

"They have care in the air; we have care in the dirt," Kiley told the
Senate Appropriations Committee in May. "I very strongly support a
unified medical command."

Congress, for its part, has shown interest in a unified medical command,
but no one is rushing its creation.

The House Appropriations Committee said in its May report on the 2007
defense funding bill that the first thing to be cleared up is whether
the move will save significant money or simply form another level of
bureaucracy.

The committee wants a report from the Pentagon by Dec. 15 on the
feasibility of a unified command and the potential cost savings.

The House Armed Services Committee has expressed interest in any plan
that improves the effectiveness of military medicine, while noting that
the current health system has provided "superior, high-quality health
care."

Change for the sake of change is not going to win lawmakers' approval,
the committee said in its May report on the 2007 defense authorization
bill.

But the report acknowledges that improvements are possible.

Contributing to this report are staff writers Erik
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Sounds like some 2 star is bucking for his/her 3rd star.
 
I saw this article too, I really don't see this happening in 2007 or by 2010 for that matter. I think there are way too many details to hammer out before something like this could happen. I'm just waiting to see the turf battles that happen when they bring the staff from WRAMC to NNMC and the whole Ft. Belvoir thing.
 
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I saw this article too, I really don't see this happening in 2007 or by 2010 for that matter. I think there are way too many details to hammer out before something like this could happen. I'm just waiting to see the turf battles that happen when they bring the staff from WRAMC to NNMC and the whole Ft. Belvoir thing.

No turf war....NNMC staff is pretty well entrenched....in their foxholes lobbing out the occasional regulation or sniping the unsuspecting medical student. :cool:
 
Inevitable, yes.

January 2007? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No way.

I think this is a great idea. It will definitely save $$ -- I've been to several posts that have, for example, an Army clinic on one side of the street and an AF clinic on the other -- Stupid with a capital "S."

The real interesting thing will be to see how medical personnel end up getting assigned. Will this mean a doc can do 2 years on a ship with the Navy and then go to Ft Polk for an Army stint? Can be a double edged sword: more posting opportunities, but also more crappy places to go to kicking and screaming!

X-RMD
 
Right now it sounds like they are going to rush into this stateside. The way I see it is that stateside posts will be anywhere/everywhere but operational deployments will be with the "parent" service.
 
The real interesting thing will be to see how medical personnel end up getting assigned. Will this mean a doc can do 2 years on a ship with the Navy and then go to Ft Polk for an Army stint? Can be a double edged sword: more posting opportunities, but also more crappy places to go to kicking and screaming!

X-RMD

Well, I think that's the whole plan. This is the wolf in sheep's clothing. This plan will let Air Force and Navy docs help the Army fill all those operational billets.

Ed
 
No fighting from me....just continuing with my mission to deep six military medicine.

watch it-- some of us don't necessarily want it to get "deep sixed" while strapped the the SOB. :eek: aim for the weak spots and wound it a bit-- or maybe prune it, but please don't kill it. makes for a rough landing. :p

--your friendly neighborhood 8 more years strapped to the beast caveman
 
Sounds like some 2 star is bucking for his/her 3rd star.

this is what i think the whole CAC thing started as.

in exchange for a star, i know have to carry my damn card in a quickly accessible place everywhere i go, and risk losing it at said everywhere. not to mention the biggest PITA-- not having access to my military outlook account at home. when i'm working at NNMC i have no email access except for :eek: CHCS :eek:

--your friendly neighborhood CAC enabled caveman
 
Everything that ever happens is because of some loser bucking for the next rank.....

It's never about taking care of patients...or how to make patient care better....


it's always petty.....


get out....stay out....

let it die....

the sooner it does, the better it will be for the MOST deserving citizens of USA.
 
this is what i think the whole CAC thing started as.

in exchange for a star, i know have to carry my damn card in a quickly accessible place everywhere i go, and risk losing it at said everywhere. not to mention the biggest PITA-- not having access to my military outlook account at home. when i'm working at NNMC i have no email access except for :eek: CHCS :eek:

--your friendly neighborhood CAC enabled caveman

I've noticed this at the MEDDAC I'm at this month. I've never seen something so poorly thought out in my life. I would lose my card GUARANTEED if I had to carry it around all day to log into every computer I need to work at.
 
Speaking of CHCS, I have a question.

I worked for the VA system for a couple of years. When I started, they had an electronic charting program called Vista that looks similar to CHCS. You could access progress notes, put in consults/prescriptions, look up labs and x-ray results, etc.

After about 4 months, they upgraded to a Windows based electronic charting program that was pretty user friendly (in my opinion) - you could do all of the above (and more) without having to learn all the text commands that came with Vista. This was in 2001.

Why hasn't the military gone to something like this??? Is CHCS only text based at all MTF's or is it just where I am now?
 
at WRAMC (and most of NNMC) CHCS is the basic data cruncher we have-- labs, rads, rx's, etc. CHCSII (now AHLTA--same thing, just a different name. stars ya know ;) ) is our new outpatient EMR system that sounds similar to the one you were working with. it has all the features of CHCS but adds in the ability to do outpatient charting (and self-coding) and a bar of icons and clicking instead of abbreviated text codes.. it's like some gawdawful illegitimate love-spawn of the old healthEforces/ICDB thing with the old CHCS. like The Fly. only not as entertaining. oh-- and AHLTA apparently still requires CHCS to be up to work-- it still processess orders via CHCS. and AHLTA doesn't have email, hence me still using the dos based CHCS email. it's like fixing up an old car by repainting it. it still has the same rusty inline 4 it had before, even though it may look like a V-8 powered musclecar.

our inpatient system went from CIS to ESSENTRIS-- basically the same program, only instead of being function keys (yes F8, F9, all those keys you never use in real life) based, it is windows based (and with that has abilities to cut/paste, copy, and some extra data screens). i like the windows based version better. it's actually not too bad. i only wish we could see our digitized radiology studies with it instead of goin to another DINPACS terminal.

someday supposedly the inpt/oupt systems will be merged. god help us all when someone decides they want *that* bullet in their OER. :scared:

--your friendly neighborhood acronym avoidant caveman
 
--your friendly neighborhood 8 more years strapped to the beast caveman

Just remember, you can only hold on one hand and be sure to lean back...I hear Roudebush has an extra deltoid muscle which gives him exponentially greater bucking power.... :laugh:
 
Speaking of CHCS, I have a question.

I worked for the VA system for a couple of years. When I started, they had an electronic charting program called Vista that looks similar to CHCS. You could access progress notes, put in consults/prescriptions, look up labs and x-ray results, etc.

After about 4 months, they upgraded to a Windows based electronic charting program that was pretty user friendly (in my opinion) - you could do all of the above (and more) without having to learn all the text commands that came with Vista. This was in 2001.

Why hasn't the military gone to something like this??? Is CHCS only text based at all MTF's or is it just where I am now?

I also liked the VA system, it was probably the best program I've used. From what I've heard, the Air Force recognizes the VA system is much more user friendly, but the VA system is also much more hackable. Hence, the DoD has not adopted it and is mired in CHCS/Essentris/evolving-into-AHLTA.

At Wright-Patt, they were having trouble with Essentris breaking down or something of that nature. It was also a pain to run Essentris because it took so long to put in your CAC and wait for Windows to start up (and then you'd leave your CAC in the thing). So some smart guy managed to configure a few computers to run Essentris only; you didn't need your CAC or have to wait for Windows. Quick and easy... too easy. I'm just wondering when they're going to outlaw them for CAC-blocking.

The worst 'system' I encountered was at Wilford Hall last year. Paper flowsheets (sometimes by the patient's bed side...) separate from the hard charts, current meds in the nursing MMR, CHCS I for labs and to order things, some computer radiology progam, and some other program for things like discharge summaries. Basically, people ran around like chickens with their head cut off. We wasted so much time getting passwords/training for the separate systems, and then wasted more time every day accessing them. They've hopefully changed things since then.
 
At Wright-Patt, they were having trouble with Essentris breaking down or something of that nature. It was also a pain to run Essentris because it took so long to put in your CAC and wait for Windows to start up (and then you'd leave your CAC in the thing). So some smart guy managed to configure a few computers to run Essentris only; you didn't need your CAC or have to wait for Windows. Quick and easy... too easy. I'm just wondering when they're going to outlaw them for CAC-blocking.QUOTE]

We have a number of machines which are called "kiosks". They have CHCS and CHCS II, but have no net access. They are always on with the microsoft desktop. Don't require a CAC login.

Ed
 
Well, I think that's the whole plan. This is the wolf in sheep's clothing. This plan will let Air Force and Navy docs help the Army fill all those operational billets.

Ed

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Everyone be careful what you ask for

There is CHCSII AKA AHLTA if you know what it is you know what it does (or does not do)

A program meant for billing now forced on us to use for recordkeeping because the military spent sooooo much money for it.

There are some good things about it, but basically it is for outpatients so it slows clinicians down and doesnt improve the inpatient side at all
 
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