I'm a nurse... and I have a rant about nurses

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NurseFlower

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We just got a new hospitalist at our hospital, and I have to say, he is awesome. He came up to me, introduced himself, by his first name none the less... wanted to know my name, looked me in the eye, held a conversation, and actually listened when I talked to him about the patients.

The few times I had to page him, he was fantastic, thanked me, and was very polite. Gave me orders and told me he would be coming by later on as well to check on how everything was going, as we had a CHF lady we were diuresing.

Most of our hospitalists, don't even speak recognizable English, let alone acknowledge the nurses anyways, so the guy is already like my favorite person, and he wasn't bad to look at either 😛, not to mention the extremly good manners and treating me like I had some intelligence.

He had ordered an echo, and the tech told me her ejection fraction was <20% and I should call him, so I looked in her chart, and saw nothing about that in there, and so I paged him to let him know. He called me right back, and when I told him, he told me that was something they already knew about, and that he did the echo to check for pericardial effusion, but that he appreciated me letting him know, and he could see why it would be a concern, and asked me how she was doing now, and if I would let him know if she changed before he got there, still 100% polite and I'm just in shock and awe at this point how kind he is being. And don't forget, I HATE paging a Dr, and I've paged 3 times now and I feel horrible about it, esp since most Drs gripe the first time, and he's being great after 3 times.

Well our lady started to trend down after the 2nd dose of IV lasix. She was saturating at 100%, but she couldn't "breathe", couldn't even speak barely, and at first I was thinking air hunger, but her bp was trending down, she felt nauseous, and her feet and hands started to feel cold to touch when I assessed her pedal and radial pulses to check her perfusion. She just was giving me a bad feeling all around, and I couldn't even get a radial pulse. She was still able to respond to me, had an apical, was breathing.. etc. But I could tell she just was off. And I decided I needed to page him, this was only 40 minutes after the last one, it just happened really fast.

He asked me what I wanted him to do after I gave him my rundown of what was going on, and I told him I wanted him to come, and he said Ok, and literally ran in the nurses station 1 minute and 30 seconds later. We went back there and He decided right away to bolus her with fluids, and he was trying to get a radial, no dice. Brachial... nope... Femoral... no.. Manual BP.. no.

Ok .. Bolus going wide open, page RT. Get a mask on wide open instead of the cannula, and he' sill trying to get a manual bp. Nothing. She is responding to him, but he can't get a bp or a extremity pulse.
We trendelenburg her, and he decides he wants dopamine drip, except in our hosp, they can only be run on the cardiac floor or ICU. I work on orthopedics. We get medical overflow and ortho, period. No Dopamine, at all, ever, He says well let's just start it and transfer her, but we aren't allowed to do that, so the man is resourceful, he is thinking "what is the best way to do what I can to get around the hospital politics bull**** and get what my patient needs, I'll call a code."
So he tells us to call a code. We said call a code? He said yes, call a code... Code called.

Of course 3/4 of the hosp converged. And wow, Apparently when a Dr calls a code for a dopamine drip and the patient is not coding, it's ok for ICU nurses to be (what i want to say is a 4 letter word that starts with C, because it's the word that best describes it, but I'll use bitch) bitches. They ranted, and raved, and complained, and I was so humiliated by the fact that they would act like that, in front of a patient and her husband, in front of other co-workers, in the face of the fact that what they were doing was necessary to stabilize someone , and to a doctor.

In the elevator he tries again to take her blood pressure and the elevator stops and the ICU nurse just snapped I'm going now, and pushed the bed forward, and he was leaning over trying to listen and had his stethoscope connected to try to hear another bp

I've never been so pissed, and he kept it sooo cool, and remained so polite and nice, and never snapped or said anything unkind or snotty, and If I was him, I'd have made some kind of remark about being a nurse and him being a doctor, but he never did. He did his job, we got her down to CVICU, and as I was finishing up my charting and about to leave, he came over to tell me I did a good job, and thanked me.

I really wish I could have bitch slapped those nasty nurses because I don't know who they think they were.
Now I am not saying this because I think the Dr is 'better' than me as a nurse. I'm not of that mentality. There are some doctors we have that I don't have that much respect for, but I still show them the same amount of respect , and they would never know I don't like them personally. Because they are my co-workers, and number one my job is to work with them to take care of the patients.


Out of curiosity though, if we have dopamine in our crash cart.. which we do, could a Dr not hang it if he wanted it for a patient?

I'm just trying to figure out what we could have done different there.
 
I don't think allnurses would help much since I doubt physicians read that forum.

I asked a question in that long rant, and that was if we have a medicine in our crash cart, but we aren't allowed to hang it on our floor, r/t ACLS training or whatever other hospital policies there are in play, can the Dr hang it himself since he is the one ordering it?
 
I don't think allnurses would help much since I doubt physicians read that forum.

I asked a question in that long rant, and that was if we have a medicine in our crash cart, but we aren't allowed to hang it on our floor, r/t ACLS training or whatever other hospital policies there are in play, can the Dr hang it himself since he is the one ordering it?

Yes. BUT - a drip is usually somewhat complicated by technology. Every hospital has their own pumps which the physician may or may not be familiar with. Likewise, concentrations vary, etc. What you can "do better" is get the hospital policy changed so that any nurse may act on the legal order of a physician to push any drug if the physician is in direct attendance (as a physician is there to deal with any complications).

- H
 
ty for replying, I'm defintley going to be bringing this issue up at the next staff meeting, because while I realize a code was a little extreme, The Dr was only doing the only thing he knew to get done what needed to get done in a fast situation. There should be alternate scenarios set up for a situation like that, and if there are, they aren't very well known and should be.

I'm also still very irritated with the way the nurses acted towards the doctor , and in front of family members, and the hospital nursing supervisor was standing right there and didn't say a thing. We aren't a teaching hospital, we don't really get med students,interns etc, but he was a new dr, on his first week there, and I'm really offended at the welcome he was shown.
 
short answer, yes.
anyone who can order a dopamine drip can hang one themselves.
before pumps we used charts for calculating dopamine drips or just memorized the formula. this uses standard dopamine mixes( 400 mg in 250cc) and a standard microdrip set (60 gtts/ml). to calculate # drips/min take desired dose in mcgs/min and multiply by pts wt in kg then divide by 25. example:100 kg pt. desired dose 10 mcg/min. 100X10=1000. 1000/25=40 microdrips/min.
 
Wow. My intuition tells me that if the RN supervisor was standing right there, and there was not only the pt but also pt's family, and still the RNs in question felt they were not behaving out of line... what you have there is a nasty, possibly toxic environment.

Depending on how much you like stirring the sewage, it might be interesting to bring this up the next time there's a big "customer service" push at your hospital.

Realistically, Id just make sure the doc knows that you appreciate and value how he handled it, and stay aligned with him. People who do stuff the right way need to stick together, and sometimes there are happy surprises, when the people who insist on being b*tchy hang themselves with their poor attitudes.
 
feb- agree with above. we have a nursing shortage in our area so a lot of nurses feel like they are bulletproof and treat everyone like crap. we just got a new nursing supervisor in the e.d. who decided enough was enough. she warned all the nurses in question then fired them outright at the next major infraction. we use a lot more agency nurses now but attitudes are better all around.
 
I would have told the bitchy nurses to "play like this lady is your mother." Then I'd tell them "I'll be writing you up with a lot of ink.'
 
Out of curiosity though, if we have dopamine in our crash cart.. which we do, could a Dr not hang it if he wanted it for a patient?

Probably the doctor could hang it, but that assumes the doctor knows how.

Hospitalists, however, are usually not the type of doctor who would know how to put together a drip and program a pump correctly. There is absolutely none of that in their training (usually Internal Medicine) other than to write the order. They are trained to decide whether to use the drip in question and they know how to write the order, but their input usually stops after writing the order so although they know when to use the drip, they don't actually know how to hook it up.
 
Probably the doctor could hang it, but that assumes the doctor knows how.

Hospitalists, however, are usually not the type of doctor who would know how to put together a drip and program a pump correctly. There is absolutely none of that in their training (usually Internal Medicine) other than to write the order. They are trained to decide whether to use the drip in question and they know how to write the order, but their input usually stops after writing the order so although they know when to use the drip, they don't actually know how to hook it up.

scary but true.....say what you will about pa's amd np's but we know how to set up an iv infusion.....
 
yeah he is internal medicine.
I have just been working weekends since school started back, but I am def going to mention all of this to my manager , and I wish I had thought about writing them up right afterwards but I was so busy with the transfer and the rest of my patients that I got taken away from for the period I was busy, that I just started to stew about it afterwards when I got home.
But def something needs to be protocoled there, one CVICU nurse told me downstairs that we can call the nurse we are transferring to and she can come up and start the drip on our floor if we are transporting, but we are talking about pre-transport, at the time, he was just trying to stabilize her and didn't have anything in motion to transfer yet, and they tried to tell us they had no beds when we called for one to transfer her. So obviously that isn't something that works in an emergent scenario.
We have a CAT team, who comes to "pre-code" situations that we are allowed to utilize at free will if we feel we need to, and another nurse from my floor has called them before for another hospitalist to get dopamine going, and they told her she was abusing the system.


and emedpa, you're right.. that is why I am taking the NP track over the md, although I'm going to cram those extra 15 credits in and get the Doctor of nursing practice. Still trying to figure out what the title will be on that one lol, Dr Nurse?? lol

I can only let him know I think he did great and showed great bedside care staying there and responding, and apologize for the way he was treated, and hopefully he won't sum up all of us with that one group of wenches.
 
That's a horrific story! 😱

I do applaud you, though, for staying calm and loyal to the hospitalist, even when all hell was breaking loose and the ICU nurses were going crazy.

We need more nurses like you in our hospitals here! 🙂
 
Probably the doctor could hang it, but that assumes the doctor knows how.

Hospitalists, however, are usually not the type of doctor who would know how to put together a drip and program a pump correctly. There is absolutely none of that in their training (usually Internal Medicine) other than to write the order. They are trained to decide whether to use the drip in question and they know how to write the order, but their input usually stops after writing the order so although they know when to use the drip, they don't actually know how to hook it up.

all med students should learn how to use pumps and prime IVs - you never know when getting one started is going to be more important to you - as the doc - than it is to the nurses. if you arent taught - ASK
 
I don't understand the problem here. It's not necessary to call a code in order to get a patient started on a critical drip. You just bring in the cart, connect them to the monitor, start the drip and get them moved. With a doctor present, the patient being monitored and emergency supplies within reach, there's no reason why this couldn't have been done.

Why can you not start a drip prior to transfer? I've never worked anywhere that would forbid that. Sure, you don't run critical drips on a non-monitored floor, but that wasn't what was happening here. He was attempting to stabilize a patient in preparation for transfer to ICU. This scenario is not what those rules are meant to address.
 
We have a CAT team, who comes to "pre-code" situations that we are allowed to utilize at free will if we feel we need to, and another nurse from my floor has called them before for another hospitalist to get dopamine going, and they told her she was abusing the system.
A rapid response team? That would have been an appropriate call. If someone is in need of a dopamine drip, then that is emergent enough to utilize their services. It certainly isn't an "abuse".
 
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