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Grades came out, missed the next grade tier by 1 question, was a big chunk of the GPA too.

I know grades don't matter, but I'm still pretty ****ing salty about being so close, especially with some of the dumb mistakes I made.

What things pissed you off during school?
 
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studocplsignore said:
Grades came out, missed the next grade tier by 2 points (1 question), was a big chunk of the GPA, so dropped about .06.

I know grades don't matter, but I'm still pretty ******* salty about being so close.

What things pissed you off during school?
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Every single mandatory thing in a doctoring course that's not directly related to H&P. Makes me vacillate between blind rage and deep depression about 10 times an hour.
 
When a physician will correct and embarrass you on a subject that you are actually correct on while giving a patient presentation in front of your peers and you can't argue since they are in a higher position.
 
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Team based learning plus always being partnered with a dick that makes gem comments such as:

"Man, it really sucked missing two questions on the last exam. Thought I had a 100%! What did you get?"

and

"Yeah, kinda worried about step 1, only getting about 75% on uworld but I think I'll be OK. What is your average?"
 
Residents forgetting about their medical students. This manifested in different ways:

-Forgetting to give their students time to eat lunch
-Forgetting to teach/involve their students. Running off to new admits w/o telling the student
-Forgetting to dismiss the student at the end of a long day, when all that's left is the resident finishing up their long notes

As an early student, when I didn't yet understand how to maximize my learning and take charge of my education, those things pissed me off a lot.
 
docterjew said:
Every single mandatory thing in a doctoring course that's not directly related to H&P. Makes me vacillate between blind rage and deep depression about 10 times an hour.
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Pretty much this.
 
When being told "I sniffle too much" while taking the patient history. People who ask me what grades I got on Everything. When I have to basically site a page number or slide bc Mr. Know it all just couldn't possibly be wrong. Being forced to deal with arrogant people. Side note: most of my class is very nice and I'm very grateful to be in med school 🙂 lol
 
DrOwnage said:
When a physician will correct and embarrass you on a subject that you are actually correct on while giving a patient presentation in front of your peers and you can't argue since they are in a higher position.
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Ehh...in that position I would just say this is what the authors of up to date/review article/textbook concluded from the literature. If you phrase it as more of a learning question and have a decent attending then they can actually explain their opinion in greater depth. Every time I have done that it ended up positive and I learned something.
 
I'm on my surgery clerkship. Everybody and their mother has their 'own' way of tying a knot/suture. I was post-call after a 32 hour shift and was scrubbed in on a 6 hour case. As I was helping my resident close, there was a PA who was also scrubbed in who kept on making 'suggestions' on how I could improve my suturing/knots. I usually am super polite and always acknowledge and thank other people's advice, but that day I just kind of lost it. I was so tired of being corrected by people ALL THE TIME over stupid things that don't even matter that I just straight up ignored him and didn't even acknowledge his presence. Mostly I was also upset because I am routinely complimented by how fast and neatly I suture and tie. Plus, I had just come from a case on ENT plastics where we did a radial flap and I closed the entire dissected ARM with three STSGs by myself.
 
studocplsignore said:
Grades came out, missed the next grade tier by 2 points (1 question), was a big chunk of the GPA, so dropped about .06.

I know grades don't matter, but I'm still pretty ******* salty about being so close.

What things pissed you off during school?
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I had a worse one - missed an A by .01 points (89.99) in a major course. On our test, we had a question that the 'correct' answer has been proven wrong by EBM (former first line therapy over 10 years ago); the current first line therapy was an answer choice, but the wrong one because we use a textbook written in 2000. I argued my case and they said - "oh boy, thanks for pointing that out to us, we'll change that for upcoming students." ..."So will I get credit for it."... "No, maybe one day you'll get a 90.01 to even it out."

At that point, med school jumped the shark for me.
 
JoshSt said:
I had a worse one - missed an A by .01 points (89.99) in a major course. On our test, we had a question that the 'correct' answer has been proven wrong by EBM (former first line therapy over 10 years ago); the current first line therapy was an answer choice, but the wrong one because we use a textbook written in 2000. I argued my case and they said - "oh boy, thanks for pointing that out to us, we'll change that for upcoming students." ..."So will I get credit for it."... "No, maybe one day you'll get a 90.01 to even it out."

At that point, med school jumped the shark for me.
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Is that still an effective reference? I mean, where can you even find a broken jukebox that needs to be hit to make it work again?
 
spartan55 said:
Residents forgetting about their medical students. This manifested in different ways:

-Forgetting to give their students time to eat lunch
-Forgetting to teach/involve their students. Running off to new admits w/o telling the student
-Forgetting to dismiss the student at the end of a long day, when all that's left is the resident finishing up their long notes

As an early student, when I didn't yet understand how to maximize my learning and take charge of my education, those things pissed me off a lot.
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I understand how you feel. But this isn't middle school -- you're an adult and it's ok to use good judgement. You're there to learn, not to "work." I am always amused/puzzled when med students ask things like if they can go to the bathroom, eat lunch, etc. If you have to go to the bathroom, go to the bathroom. If you are hungry, go eat something. If you need to leave early or come in late, do that - don't hang around all afternoon playing on your iphone then casually mention you had to miss your wife's ultrasound this afternoon and pretend to be excited about neglecting your personal life. If you have a meeting to go to, go to that. It's nothing to apologize for -- you're a student, you're paying to be there and learn. And here's where the judgement part comes in... don't scrub out of a procedure to go eat, don't come in when you are so ill you are passing out, don't run off to do something else in the middle of a conference, rounds, or a patient presentation. You are not a slave and have freedom in your comings and goings if you exercise good judgement about it. Yes, every once in a while you will run into someone who is a total jerk and will humiliate you if you attempt to do the slightest thing that indicates you might be a human and not a robot. But by and large, most residents and attendings are reasonable and recognize student's places as learners, not employees. Surgery and especially OB/gyn might be exceptions to some degree. Sometimes I felt as if they got a kick out of trying to make students needlessly miserable.
 
crimsonkid85 said:
I'm on my surgery clerkship. Everybody and their mother has their 'own' way of tying a knot/suture. I was post-call after a 32 hour shift and was scrubbed in on a 6 hour case.
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This I will agree with. Everybody wants you to use their style and will throw a fit if you try to use a different style to accomplish the task (whether or not it works or not is hilariously totally inconsequential), and it is mostly completely arbitrary and subjective. I got so frustrated at one point I just wanted to throw something and say "FINE YOU DO IT." This comes after being told one service only to tie two-handed, then on another service to tie one handed and that nobody ever ties two handed and to never even think about trying to do that again, then finally on OB getting completely chewed out because I tied one handed (perfectly) and was told that I was just trying to be a showoff (literally these words were used), why did I think I was so special, etc, and then humiliated me because I had forgotten how to tie 2 handed (because I had been told the exact opposite before). Seriously? It's a ****ing knot. Who cares. One handed is super simple to do, certainly no harder than two handed. I was just exasperated and almost lost it. I still never totally was able to understand why some surgeons think one handed knots are the triple backflip of surgery. I never watched a surgeon tie a one-handed knot and thought, OMG this guy is so badass.

I later learned it's like some kind of weird secret handshake or something that they get pissed seeing less senior people do. Somehow a 2-handed tie is the humiliating training wheels akin to the absurdly short white jacket students are forced to wear? I don't get it. One's not more complex than the other, and I could teach a 5 year old to reliably do a 1-handed tie in a few hours. I was later in operations where the attending would only let the residents tie one-handed and made the PAs tie 2 handed. Needless to say, I did not go into surgery or ob/gyn. Way too petty for the most part.
 
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docterjew said:
Every single mandatory thing in a doctoring course that's not directly related to H&P. Makes me vacillate between blind rage and deep depression about 10 times an hour.
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I've had this experience but I try to keep an open mind that we are not always the best judges of what we should know. I've had experiences when I thought it was obvious as day that certain things were a waste of time and then you see how they in some way enhance your thinking or expose you to something. Chin up!
 
JoshSt said:
I had a worse one - missed an A by .01 points (89.99) in a major course. On our test, we had a question that the 'correct' answer has been proven wrong by EBM (former first line therapy over 10 years ago); the current first line therapy was an answer choice, but the wrong one because we use a textbook written in 2000. I argued my case and they said - "oh boy, thanks for pointing that out to us, we'll change that for upcoming students." ..."So will I get credit for it."... "No, maybe one day you'll get a 90.01 to even it out."

At that point, med school jumped the shark for me.
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Pretty much this. Like, I got something wrong and I legitimately got it wrong, I won't raise a fuss. I made the mistake, it was a mistake, my fault entirely.

But when it's something like that, or something where it's super super nit-pickly (spelling, notation, etc.), it frustrates me to no end, because it's like 'seriously, can you please stop trying to **** me?'
 
Raryn said:
If you don't think medicine is a team sport, I feel sorry for you during residency.
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All the more reasons why medical students in droves want to go for Dermatology, Radiology, or Pathology, where for all intents and purposes you aren't working in a team, per say vs. Internal Medicine, where you get the pleasure of being dumped on by others and having to deal not only with the medicine part, but Social Work bullshi*.
 
spartan55 said:
Residents forgetting about their medical students. This manifested in different ways:

-Forgetting to give their students time to eat lunch
-Forgetting to teach/involve their students. Running off to new admits w/o telling the student
-Forgetting to dismiss the student at the end of a long day, when all that's left is the resident finishing up their long notes

As an early student, when I didn't yet understand how to maximize my learning and take charge of my education, those things pissed me off a lot.
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Newsflash. You are not the center of your resident's world. Their job and what they're getting paid for is to take care of patients. This isn't the classroom. Real medicine isn't preschool where you can clock out when things get boring or get a lunch break.
 
DermViser said:
Newsflash. You are not the center of your resident's world. Their job and what they're getting paid for is to take care of patients. This isn't the classroom. Real medicine isn't preschool where you can clock out when things get boring or get a lunch break.
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Bingo. Huge pet peeve of mine is hearing med students talk about "going to work." It's a complete bastardization of the word's meaning. It's nails on a chalkboard to me. I always said "going to the hospital, going to my rotation, or going to school." Because that's what it is. Med school is not a job and that's where the disconnect comes in. Internship and residency is a place where you work and learn on-the-job. Med school is where you shadow and study standardized material on your own time. Not even close to the same thing. That's why most people don't care if you come and go as you please on elective rotations -- because you're not an employee with real responsibilities. By acting like you are, you run the risk of getting in the way and annoying everybody.
 
atomi said:
Bingo. Huge pet peeve of mine is hearing med students talk about "going to work." It's a complete bastardization of the word's meaning. It's nails on a chalkboard to me. I always said "going to the hospital, going to my rotation, or going to school." Because that's what it is. Med school is not a job and that's where the disconnect comes in. Internship and residency is a place where you work and learn on-the-job. Med school is where you shadow and study standardized material on your own time. Not even close to the same thing. That's why most people don't care if you come and go as you please on elective rotations -- because you're not an employee with real responsibilities. By acting like you are, you run the risk of getting in the way and annoying everybody.
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What's worse is these same idiots that want to jet when they're bored or complain about "not learning anything", are SHOCKED that they didn't get "Honors" or get a bad evaluation.
 
Other students and residents coming in when they're obviously sick, getting others sick, who get others sick, which jacks up the workload even more for those who are healthy when people finally take their sick days, which leads to ID getting involved, who then recommend tamiflu to all the patients, who complain about having to take yet another medication, and the entire time there is that one person smiling smugly in the back reminding patients and staff about getting their flu shots.
 
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Other students and residents coming in when they're obviously sick, getting others sick, who get others sick, which jacks up the workload even more for those who are healthy when people finally take their sick days, which leads to ID getting involved, who then recommend tamiflu to all the patients, who complain about having to take yet another medication, and the entire time there is that one person smiling smugly in the back reminding patients and staff about getting their flu shots.
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Wearing a mask while walking around the hospital works wonders! That + covering your mouth, which apparently isn't common knowledge :/
 
People who complain about workloads.

"wah wah, I have to do this, then read robbins and do this"

Come to the farm I grew up in and work for my dad. I guarantee some postings and a book's not so bad.
 
DermViser said:
The actual grades don't matter. But it contributes to your class rank, which is looked at by PDs.
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It's sort of like the NFL combine. The actual marks/times/weights the athletes put up don't actually matter much at all when it comes to football, since they're not a good direct way of measuring on field skills (no one runs around cones in shorts and no pads in the middle of an NFL game). But they do speak to one's overall physical fitness and abilities, which can indirectly tell you quite a bit about an athlete and his potential.
 
IMO, the real "gunners" are not the people who study all the time, they are the people who do their best to tear you down and try to make you doubt yourself. Usually they do this by talking about how much they supposedly drank, or posting a picture of a party they went to, or talking about some DJ at a nightclub.

When in reality they're sitting at home with their lecture notes and BRS and First Aid for as long as they possibly can.

One thing I've learned is that you can't trust anyone, and that EVERYONE is always frontin' and talking a big game.






Other things that bug me:

1) People who claim they are dead set on going into Neurosurgery. Honestly, I wouldn't care except that at least 30% of the school claims this, which makes me wonder what on earth is going on here. Who knew Derek Shepard from Grey's Anatomy could influence so many people?

2) Professors who make it clear that they don't give a crap about you learning or even remembering anything, and they just want you to "memorize [in their words]" particular facts of information, spit it out, and forget about it 20 minutes after leaving the exam. I mean, I appreciate their candor, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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Arkangeloid said:
IMO, the real "gunners" are not the people who study all the time, they are the people who do their best to tear you down and try to make you doubt yourself. Usually they do this by talking about how much they supposedly drank, or posting a picture of a party they went to, or talking about some DJ at a nightclub.

When in reality they're sitting at home with their lecture notes and BRS and First Aid for as long as they possibly can.

One thing I've learned is that you can't trust anyone, and that EVERYONE is always frontin' and talking a big game.






Other things that bug me:

1) People who claim they are dead set on going into Neurosurgery. Honestly, I wouldn't care except that at least 30% of the school claims this, which makes me wonder what on earth is going on here. Who knew Derek Shepard from Grey's Anatomy could influence so many people?

2) Professors who make it clear that they don't give a crap about you learning or even remembering anything, and they just want you to "memorize [in their words]" particular facts of information, spit it out, and forget about it 20 minutes after leaving the exam. I mean, I appreciate their candor, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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I have never seen any one actually gunning at my school (yet, I suppose). Most people freely admit they have no idea what they want to do, some say they like 'x', and only one has said definitively that they want to do something (and it didn't come off as show offy). I've shared and received good advice from my classmates and a few upper classmen. Everyone's trying to help. I've never heard of anyone bragging about their grades. I really like most of my professors too. They try really hard for the most part. Yeah, there are a few students I don't particularly get along with, but no one is trying to sabotage anyone.

I guess you could be really cynical/bitter, but it could be your school.
 
Required classes are always a bummer. I realize the importance of having mandatory classes when ensuring an entire class gets taught the same thing, but this system also undervalues self-directed learning.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
It's sort of like the NFL combine. The actual marks/times/weights the athletes put up don't actually matter much at all when it comes to football, since they're not a good direct way of measuring on field skills (no one runs around cones in shorts and no pads in the middle of an NFL game). But they do speak to one's overall physical fitness and abilities, which can indirectly tell you quite a bit about an athlete and his potential.
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Look at you go with your analogies.
 
Arkangeloid said:
IMO, the real "gunners" are not the people who study all the time, they are the people who do their best to tear you down and try to make you doubt yourself.
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Well that's because that's the definition. Gunner does not mean "person who studies like crazy and does well in school." Gunner refers to someone who would "gun you down" in an attempt to get ahead by sabotaging the "competition." Gunners are usually exceptionally average or below average students. Otherwise they wouldn't have to gun.
 
Arkangeloid said:
IMO, the real "gunners" are not the people who study all the time, they are the people who do their best to tear you down and try to make you doubt yourself. Usually they do this by talking about how much they supposedly drank, or posting a picture of a party they went to, or talking about some DJ at a nightclub.

When in reality they're sitting at home with their lecture notes and BRS and First Aid for as long as they possibly can.

One thing I've learned is that you can't trust anyone, and that EVERYONE is always frontin' and talking a big game.
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I liked the other half of your post but I feel the urge to point out that what you're really talking about is your own issue. I don't think someone giving some misimpression about their workload is really going to affect you unless you're prone to screwing with your own mind. Point: There really could be someone with skills way beyond yours who really does party...why should this bring you down at all? Find your own methods to excel.

I don't want to overreach but I suspect you squander a lot of your energy on the wrong ideas. Do better. I mean that in a nice way.
 
Anastomoses said:
I liked the other half of your post but I feel the urge to point out that what you're really talking about is your own issue. I don't think someone giving some misimpression about their workload is really going to affect you unless you're prone to screwing with your own mind. Point: There really could be someone with skills way beyond yours who really does party...why should this bring you down at all? Find your own methods to excel.

I don't want to overreach but I suspect you squander a lot of your energy on the wrong ideas. Do better. I mean that in a nice way.
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A girl with whom I graduated from med school had essentially the same grades as I did, but spent most weekends out of town visiting friends and partying. I didn't begrudge her anything (and in fact, we're very good friends). Mostly I was just impressed as hell. She's currently in a top tier IM residency and similarly finding time for fun where others often have difficulty.
 
atomi said:
Bingo. Huge pet peeve of mine is hearing med students talk about "going to work." It's a complete bastardization of the word's meaning. It's nails on a chalkboard to me. I always said "going to the hospital, going to my rotation, or going to school." Because that's what it is. Med school is not a job and that's where the disconnect comes in. Internship and residency is a place where you work and learn on-the-job. Med school is where you shadow and study standardized material on your own time. Not even close to the same thing. That's why most people don't care if you come and go as you please on elective rotations -- because you're not an employee with real responsibilities. By acting like you are, you run the risk of getting in the way and annoying everybody.
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Yea, no. If all you're doing M3 and M4 years is shadowing, your school is doing you an immense disservice. The clinical years are where you dive in and learn by doing. So far in my rotations, I've been expected to work-up patients, write H&Ps (which are co-signed by the senior), admit patients, write progress notes, etc. Yea, it's not procedural stuff, but you learn a ton by working up a patient, coming up with an A&P, presenting to the senior and the attending, etc. You don't learn anywhere close to that much if you're just shadowing. I'd make the argument that if all you do is shadow during your clinical years, you're going to be a poor intern (or, at the very least, very behind compared to your peers who treated their M3/M4 years to be exactly what it's supposed to be: a hands-on experience).

Sure, I don't have "real responsibilities", but when I admit a patient and my admission note is co-signed, that's one less thing the intern or resident has to do. Instead of spending 30 minutes writing up the H&P, they can just glance through my A&P to make sure I covered everything and co-sign it. Takes them 2 minutes instead. Same thing with daily progress notes. Even in the hospitals where the student notes don't count, we still put in our notes, which are copy-pasted by the residents. Saves them a lot of time. I can put in orders and just forward them to the intern or resident to co-sign. Saves them some more time there. If you're being proactive with your patients' labs, imaging, etc, you can find out those results way before the final reads come out -- early enough to impact any decisions you're making for the day. So far, the residents I've worked with during M3 year have enjoyed having us around because we help ease the load a bit -- we can free them up with the notes we write, with the phone calls we make, with the labs we track down, etc. I don't know if you have had a bad experience during your med school clinical years, but your experience is exactly what our school and hospital system advocates against. They expect us to dive in and be proactive and take on a lot of responsibility. I'm one of those people who has the mindset that I'm doing a job when I'm in the hospital. And I intend to be be good at that job. I really don't care if that bothers you or not, but I haven't had issues with it from any of the residents or attendings I've worked with so far.
 
Arkangeloid said:
IMO, the real "gunners" are not the people who study all the time, they are the people who do their best to tear you down and try to make you doubt yourself. Usually they do this by talking about how much they supposedly drank, or posting a picture of a party they went to, or talking about some DJ at a nightclub.

When in reality they're sitting at home with their lecture notes and BRS and First Aid for as long as they possibly can.

One thing I've learned is that you can't trust anyone, and that EVERYONE is always frontin' and talking a big game.

Other things that bug me:

1) People who claim they are dead set on going into Neurosurgery. Honestly, I wouldn't care except that at least 30% of the school claims this, which makes me wonder what on earth is going on here. Who knew Derek Shepard from Grey's Anatomy could influence so many people?

2) Professors who make it clear that they don't give a crap about you learning or even remembering anything, and they just want you to "memorize [in their words]" particular facts of information, spit it out, and forget about it 20 minutes after leaving the exam. I mean, I appreciate their candor, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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One thing you've figured out, which is medical students are good liars.
#2 - Medical school is a game to be played. Your basic science faculty could give a **** whether you learn or not. Your med school knows they've got students by the balls. They'll also lie and try to get people to go for primary care, but when it comes time for the match, they'll boast about the students who got into competitive specialties, not primary care.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
Well that's because that's the definition. Gunner does not mean "person who studies like crazy and does well in school." Gunner refers to someone who would "gun you down" in an attempt to get ahead by sabotaging the "competition." Gunners are usually exceptionally average or below average students. Otherwise they wouldn't have to gun.
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Only on SDN, has the term gunner morphed into "a person who studies like crazy and does well academically". Not surprising though, as medical school can sometime breed mediocrity.
Apparently having the temerity to actually work harder for a more competitive specialty is "gunning". :smack:
 
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