Rejected from RVU MSBS — is Ross/MedOrigin still a rational path, or am I walking into a trap?

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I was recently rejected from RVU’s MSBS program, and at this point Ross/MedOrigin appears to be my only remaining path into medicine.

My stats are a 2.67 post-bacc GPA from Columbia and a 487 MCAT. I am trying to think about this as rationally as possible before making a major mistake.

I would appreciate blunt feedback from anyone familiar with Ross, MedOrigin, Caribbean medical schools, or nontraditional medical paths. My concern is whether Ross/MedOrigin is still a viable opportunity, or whether it is more realistically a high-risk path that can leave students with major debt, repeated academic hurdles, and poor downstream options if things do not go perfectly.

What I am trying to understand is:

  1. Is Ross/MedOrigin actually worth the risk for someone in my position?
  2. How serious are the attrition and dismissal risks in practice?
  3. If a student struggles academically early on, how hard is it to recover from that path?
  4. Is this still a rational way to pursue medicine, or is it more often a desperation move with a poor expected outcome?
I am not looking for encouragement. I am looking for direct and realistic feedback from people who know this path well.
 
You have both a bad MCAT and GPA. Normally one can rationalize saying “oh well it was a bad test day but I can normally do well” or “oh I might’ve struggled in my courses but I have shown that I can perform on standardized exams” but you can’t say either. You are high risk to flunk out of a Caribbean school and you’ve shown that you have a tendency to fail given the RVU dismissal. As someone that went through Ross and matched, I would say to avoid this path with that history and look towards AA, US/rads technologist, or perfusionist education instead if you still want to be in the healthcare field. They have good-high income earning potential with less schooling.

1. No
2. Very high. Big 3 ballpark is a third of people will fail out and close to half will likely repeat a semester and either continue or fail.
3. Poor prognosis
4. It is the exact opposite of rational. If you can’t even break 490s on the MCAT you will statistically do very poorly as it only gets harder from there.
 
Brother, you have to know when to quit. A year ago you posted this:
MERP is not some Hail Mary to justify Ross — it’s a hard stop. If I can’t succeed in MERP, I walk away from medicine entirely.

And then last month:
I have attempted MERP twice and unfortunately did not pass.

I'm gonna be brutally honest. You took the MCAT 4 times and didn't surpass 487. It's over for you. The testing doesn't get any easier. Step 1 will eat you alive, if you even get there, by which point you'll have $200k of debt with no way to repay or forgive it.

The system has already weeded you out. The ONLY people telling you otherwise are the ones who can profit from your failure.
 
Brother, you have to know when to quit. A year ago you posted this:


And then last month:


I'm gonna be brutally honest. You took the MCAT 4 times and didn't surpass 487. It's over for you. The testing doesn't get any easier. Step 1 will eat you alive, if you even get there, by which point you'll have $200k of debt with no way to repay or forgive it.

The system has already weeded you out. The ONLY people telling you otherwise are the ones who can profit from your failure.

You really think I can't turn things around? I mean do you think they want to give me a second chance or they just want my money?
 
Yes, they want your money and have no qualms taking it. Ross is a for-profit entity. How much did they charge for MERP, 15k a pop? Absolute snake oil.

There are no more second chances. I'm saying this as gently as possible: your academic record leads me to conclude you're not cut out for medicine (most likely, you wouldn't pass Step). There's no shame in that. But I firmly believe any more time and money you spend on this path will be for nothing, and I don't want you to fill the pockets of a bunch of hucksters feeding you your own dreams. Don't accept the sunk cost fallacy. Get out now while you're not bankrupt.
 
From your questions here, it's clear you're very passionate about a career in medicine. On your last thread (when you were applying to MERP, we reviewed that both your Post Bacc GPA performance and your multiple attempts at the MCAT made proceeding very high risk. You felt there were mitigating circumstances, and decided to proceed.
Per your other thread, you have not passed MERP twice.

It is very, very unlikely that this MedOrigins thing is going to be a magic elixir that's going to help you pass. The Carib schools are not known for high quality professors or support. MERP was remote, MedOrigins appears to be on site -- so is certain to be much more expensive. After all you've done / been through, how is a 16 week program going to move the needle? And in the past you've mentioned interest in fields that are competitive, you're setting yourself up for misery with this plan.
Is Ross/MedOrigin actually worth the risk for someone in my position?
Assessing risk is very individual. The odds of winning powerball is 1 in 292,201,338. That is so astronomically small it's pointless to try. The annual chance of being struck by lightning is 1: 1,200,000 or so. There are 156 powerball drawings per year, and since each drawing is independent the chances of winning over a year is 156 in 292,201,338 which is 1:1,875,000*. So it's more likely to be struck by lightning. Yet, some people play religiously because "well, you never know, someone has to win).

The chance of success here for you is very, very low. The cost of these loans will haunt you forever.
How serious are the attrition and dismissal risks in practice?
We don't know about the MedOrigins program in general. But we know that overall, at least 30% of Ross's class fails out along the way. Since the MedOrigins people are likely less competitive than the rest of the class, one would expect their chances of failure to be higher. You can ask Ross what percentage of those that start MedOrigins make it to graduation -- but unclear if they will tell you or if you can trust what they say. And they are very likely to quote you what percent of those whom pass MedOrigins make it to graduation, which is a very different statistic.
If a student struggles academically early on, how hard is it to recover from that path?
Very difficult. Everything in medical school builds upon what came before. It's one of the major differences between med school and undergrad -- in undergrad if you do poorly on a subject, you usually can just move on with different courses and not worry about it. But in med school, if you don't understant cardiac physiology, you're going to struggle with cardiac pathophys and pharmacology. Once you fall behind, the new material continues to poor in and you're responsible for trying to get caught up on the older material, which is almost impossible.
Is this still a rational way to pursue medicine, or is it more often a desperation move with a poor expected outcome?
No, it is not. It is desperation with a poor expected outcome. You are buying powerball tickets. But instead of spending 156 x $2 = $312, you'll be spending a whole lot more which you will owe. I know this isn't what you want to hear. I recommend you take that passion and focus it upon a more realistic goal -- perhaps still in the medical field. This assumes that your prior post aout failing MERP twice means you actually enrolled and failed. if you mean you applied and failed to get in, then perhaps more reasonable (yet still very high risk) to proceed.

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* For true statistics nerds, the math here is not correct for two reasons. First, I should convert odds to probabilities which can then be accurately multiplied together. But, because the odds are so low, probability essentially equals odds.

Second, because taking the individual odds and multiplying by the number of draws ignores the outcomes where you win more than once. Which although would be real nice, is somewhat pointless. The true probability of winning at least once is calculated by taking the inverse probability of losing and raising it to the 156 power, then subtracting from one.

So, in actuality, we'd take the probability of losing which is 292,201,338/(292,201,338 + 1), raise that to the 156 power, then subtract that from one. That gives us the probability of winning at least once in 156 draws. Then, we can convert back to odds using O = P/(1-P). Using the shortcut above (multiplying the odds) yields a final odds of 1:1873085.5. Using this more accurate method yields 1:1875085.003. The decrease in the odds encompasses the outcomes where you win more than once.
 
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Think about it this way: the entire institution of medical education, from Harvard to RVUCOM, agrees on one thing: you're not cut out for this. There's a consensus and it's data-driven. Your MCAT is in the 14th percentile of all test takers and your GPA is probably around the same.

That doesn't mean you can't have a productive career in the hospital. Get a patient-facing job for a few years and in your spare time, talk to real professionals about your learning issues while you do it. You might improve, but right now, there's a 0% chance of success. The Caribbean will still be there.
 
The truth is you are not ready for medical school. You can't outwork medical education. You have to be smarter.


I would go and do some other things for a while and work on increasing your cognitive abilities as a side project. Come back to med once you can handle it, if that day comes.

My suggestion would be to receive IQ testing and screen other typical learning disabilities. You can also pick up Mnemonics (world memory championship stuff) and things like Meditation and mindfulness will boost your focus and working memory. Training your metacognition is also a good avenue, so you don't end up spending 4 hours learning 1 thing that wasn't even important.

If this is what you really want, then don't give up. People accept they are as smart as they are and that is not true. I'm not blowing sunshine up your ass, just that there are real paths forward if you literally want nothing else in your life than to do this.

Learning mnemonics could be enough to just pre-study basic sciences. People say you can't memorize First-aid entirely. That is incorrect. The issue, is you have to be able to apply those concepts. Applying and understanding is significantly easier if you have something memorized.


Best wishes, but yes, it's time to step away for a while.