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Escalla said:
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You had time to correct your mistake about Appleseed long before now.
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Ok, if you want to go with this theory... I saw rojo viewing this thread a full hour before the lynch closed last... why the hell did he wait until the END of the lynch cycle to throw out a defense for dyachei?

Bottom line: You have NO idea what people are doing behind the scenes IRL.
 
Escalla said:
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You ran with incorrect information in addition to made an incorrect assumption based on SOV saying "was". And I am the one not paying attention?
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You have no idea whether my assumption is "incorrect" or not....
and I said it was the reason I was lynching rojo... I have every right
to make whatever damn assumption I want off of the information I receive
from a mod... it is open to interpretation..... I did not tell anyone else
to fecking lynch him... did I? I did not say HEY EVERYONE jump on
a bandwagon on rojo.... give me a fecking break here escalla.....
and I am really wondering about you.... you are really odd here.....

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Escalla said:
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You ran with incorrect information in addition to made an incorrect assumption based on SOV saying "was". And I am the one not paying attention?
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Ummm... how do you KNOW the information was incorrect? (disregarding the whole thing about the Appleseed error)... how do you KNOW that what devyn is saying is incorrect?
 
DVMDream said:
Ok, if you want to go with this theory... I saw rojo viewing this thread a full hour before the lynch closed last... why the hell did he wait until the END of the lynch cycle to throw out a defense for dyachei?

Bottom line: You have NO idea what people are doing behind the scenes IRL.
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Probably catching up on **** before posting? He will have to tell you as obviously I'm not sitting right beside him.

I should be saving this for lynch tomorrow....:laugh:

But anyways. If FH kills him, she's killing a villager and we lose. If we lynch him tomorrow we lose. :shrug:
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Look guys. The mistake was with Appleseed. That is why I thought devyn made it up. She corrected it. Fine.

But he hasn't been converted and therefore you're interpreting "was" to be something it's not.
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Escalla said:
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But he hasn't been converted and therefore you're interpreting "was" to be something it's not.
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Again, you do NOT know this... for you to be saying this repeatedly with so much certainty is just... frustrating... because there is NO way for you to know 100% without a doubt that he is NOT converted.

Now, he has said something to me in PM that is giving me a slight inkling he may not be... but I can NOT say with 100% certainty that he is NOT... no way.

You say devyn making assumptions was bad, well you are making assumptions here...
 
DVMDream said:
You do NOT know this... there is NO way for you to say this with this much certainty... NO way... at all.
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Yes, I can.

I don't know how much I'm helping anymore. I just don't want to lose this game. 🙁

So go ahead and think I'm crazy, but we will lose if he dies and it will be on you.
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devyn said:
Hope you are taking your own advice on getting your head out your arse cause you need to.... you are the wolf here not me... I was never a wolf. So including me in your number of wolves left is just shooting yourself in the damn foot. The reason I am part sienna according to your mods is because I was supposed to be converted on the night I was kilt by the ghost and therefore I would have been turned into a wolf had I not died. So they decided to colour me part sienna to show this. But I never was a wolf when alive dingbat!

And I was on the damn bus when I wrote out your role - the investigation results came directly from the mod, so you can call me FOS as much as you like, but then you are calling SOV FOS as well... which isn't very nice. And it was supposed to say Jonny Smith not Jonny Appleseed - had to do with apples.... and that was my damn reason for lynching you as SOV said you "were" that role on night 6, so I think you may have been converted especially that along with the way you have been acting TBH... you are acting off.. I did not ever say I had results calling you a "wolf" - not sure why you are so damn defensive... sir....

Perhaps we should focus on the fact that there are still 2 wolves out there and I have been working hard the entire time I was alive and dead to take down wolves - that has been apparent all along.. what have you done?




I am not and never was a wolf.... so there are 2 wolves left at the very least....
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I was calling you FOS when you said i was johnny appleseed, which you already admit was a mistake. Because you were reporting BS seer results, it made me more concerned you were a wolf.

sigh.

I guess I'm just acting like I always do, and since I've been a wolf a lot recently, or dead early, acting like this makes me look like a wolf. I dunno.

What have I done this game? I don't know exactly. My role itself isn't in my control, and I've gotten 1 item all game, the stone which I got successfully to the alchemist. I've shared my information, and served as a message runner at times, helping link up a few seers (escalla and WTF when she was a possessing wildcatj). I was able to tell foxy her role before she even learned about it, and thus knew before anyone that she was the ghost killer. I was the first to defend Abbers when she was early on being considered a wolf from DocE's faulty information, and since we see Dyachei was legit, i think it is safe to assume that Abbers at least didn't start out a wolf and that my defending her from a lynch was worthwhile back then.

Everyone talks about people being useless unless they deliver a wolf on a platter. I mean, my information was the catalyst for killing Lupin, but seems she might have been converted back from being a wolf prior to my information being useful, so I can't claim credit for that wolf. But, as I said, I have been useful in helping us, at least earlier on, avoiding killing potentially useful villagers.

Trust what you guys want. I'm still Johnny Smith, Postcognition, and I've been consistent in answering whatever questions you guys have for me. Sorry if my reasoning has been off for you guys... if you'd rather me not try to strategize, then **** it, i'll just try to stay silent. But I'm a surgeon, not always right, but always confident.

😕
 
DVMDream said:
Do you have a PM from SOV or kaydubs saying "rojo is a villager"?
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I would have shared that long ago if I did. 🙄

I've already explained why I trust him. I trust him 100% right now. My neck is waaaay out there.

I've tried to convince you he's a villager, he's tried to convince you he's a villager and if you don't listen that is completely up to you. But like I've said, we will lose if you don't try to have some faith here.
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DVMDream said:
Ok, if you want to go with this theory... I saw rojo viewing this thread a full hour before the lynch closed last... why the hell did he wait until the END of the lynch cycle to throw out a defense for dyachei?

Bottom line: You have NO idea what people are doing behind the scenes IRL.
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i woke up by a phone call at 10:30ish EST. I had 3 PM's awaiting me, 2 from you, one from Dyachei. I went to the PM's first, yours first, and responded to you. Then read Dyachei's. When I finished dyachei's, you had responded, so I went back to yours, then dyachei had responded to me and went to hers... It was around 11ish when I finally made it to the thread, took a few minutes to catch up on everything, and then posted what I did.

Escalla is putting all her stock in my post where I basically put my reputation with her on the line that I am not converted (and considering we have teamed up in, what, like 4-5 WW games, and she ends up trying to recruit me into every WW game that has been occurring, and I only even played this game cause she convinced me in a PM, I guess it holds some value to her as it does to me). After DVMD put her reputation to me on the line with a similar (albeit more significant thing) in a PM, I also put my reputation on the line with her to claim I am not converted. So, there is no way I would vote to lynch or kill DVMD right now, but if she lied, I would pretty much never play a WW game with her again (or if I did, would instantly vote to kill her day 1 even if I was paired with her), or probably even read another post of hers ever again, and if/when I ever mod again, wouldn't even allow her to play... and if I am lying about this, I am doing so without my knowledge, cause I've not gotten any indication from the mods that my role has changed.

So, if its down to 2 wolves (IF... lol, just playing)... then its Nohika, EC, or Abbers that is 2 of those 3. If LIS is a wolf, then its already 3v3 and we are lost anyway(although a wolf tying the villagers doesn't necessarily mean auto loss, since its the living that makes the lynch decision, so maybe the game would keep going on).
 
Escalla said:
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I would have shared that long ago if I did. 🙄

I've already explained why I trust him. I trust him 100% right now. My neck is waaaay out there.

I've tried to convince you he's a villager, he's tried to convince you he's a villager and if you don't listen that is completely up to you. But like I've said, we will lose if you don't try to have some faith here.
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I am trying to get you to see that you can not in these games ever trust someone 100% without the mods giving you the information (and as we have seen this game, even then it is risky).

I have told rojo some thing in PMs that I hope makes him trust me.. he has somewhat repeated those to me, so I am a bit more trusting of him. But nothing is 100% in these games.

Either way, arguing about this now, is pointless... night is going to happen now. Let's see what we are up against after night ends.

The last thing is: this is just a game. I want to see a villager win. I have been working hard for a villager win all game even without having any information at all. I have still been trying my best. Even when I had no role and no ability, I was still participating and trying to find wolves. I FINALLY got an ability and dyachei stole my thunder.... 🙁 (It is ok, dyachei, I forgive you.. kind of 😛)

Anyway, no matter how the game ends.. it is a game.. I want villagers to win, but if we don't.. I still had a hell of a good time playing.

Ok, I have a migraine... disappearing now to get some sleep.
 
DVMDream said:
I am trying to get you to see that you can not in these games ever trust someone 100% without the mods giving you the information (and as we have seen this game, even then it is risky).

I have told rojo some thing in PMs that I hope makes him trust me.. he has somewhat repeated those to me, so I am a bit more trusting of him. But nothing is 100% in these games.

Either way, arguing about this now, is pointless... night is going to happen now. Let's see what we are up against after night ends.

The last thing is: this is just a game. I want to see a villager win. I have been working hard for a villager win all game even without having any information at all. I have still been trying my best. Even when I had no role and no ability, I was still participating and trying to find wolves. I FINALLY got an ability and dyachei stole my thunder.... 🙁 (It is ok, dyachei, I forgive you.. kind of 😛)

Anyway, no matter how the game ends.. it is a game.. I want villagers to win, but if we don't.. I still had a hell of a good time playing.

Ok, I have a migraine... disappearing now to get some sleep.
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I agree with this. But, when someone puts themselves on the line like you did to me, and like I have to escalla first, and then to you later, I'm willing to trust 100% them now, knowing that if they were willing to lie about what they lied about, they aren't a person I would associate with in the future. So I get why Escalla is putting her neck out there, and like I said, why right now I'll put my neck out for you too.
 
DVMDream said:
I am trying to get you to see that you can not in these games ever trust someone 100% without the mods giving you the information (and as we have seen this game, even then it is risky).

I have told rojo some thing in PMs that I hope makes him trust me.. he has somewhat repeated those to me, so I am a bit more trusting of him. But nothing is 100% in these games.

Either way, arguing about this now, is pointless... night is going to happen now. Let's see what we are up against after night ends.
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I agree that it's pointless at this time for us, but the game is with FH. That is why I haven't held back.

I've played in enough games to know nothing game-related is 100%. This goes outside the game. He played a card with me that I will defend until I'm truly out of the game.

I love playing. We all do. An immense amount of time has been invested on everyone's parts. I don't want these couple weeks shot because of this one decision.

So I will leave it. You know where I stand. It's up to all of you now.
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Do ghosts waffle? And if they waffle, do they have lots of choices to choose from. Absolutely. This night the decision of our friendly ghost killer would be crucial. Was she decisive? Was she sure of herself? Did she try to kill anyone? Did she actually kill anyone? Did she pick the right person? Such important questions. This ghostly decision was so important because the elixir of life, recently brought into the world by our alchemist was not in the hands of a living player. Why the heck would MrsSOV need a protective elixir when she is already dead? Well not her fault the gods of RNG chose her to have it on this important night.. Well, we will get back to FH's decision in a minute.

Let's now turn our attention to the wolves. Do wolves eat waffles? You bet they do. In fact, I think this group of wolves only eats waffles, and controversy, and argument, so basically waffles are their only food. The wolves can't decide which villager is most trusted to kill off.... The mods are waiting... and waiting... and waiting... for their decision.. It matters ya know.

But first we should take a look at the alley that leads up to backyard. What is that big white panel truck that is backing up to the rear gate door? The rear door of the truck opens up, a few guys in white jump out and they start loading all the corpses in the backyard into the truck. It seems that some of the living complained that the corpses were stinking up the place both in odor and in their lynch votes, so they called the authorities to come and clean things up. ALL of the bodies are loaded into the truck along with the items they had on them (unless they gave them away).... Gone are the seeing stone, the water stone, and the crystal ball. The plain stone is still around and the philosopher's stone containing the elixir of life was passed on to a living player JUST before the truck took MrsSOV's body. Wonder if she passed it to a wolf or a villager?

So... back to our wafflers. The wolves had a free shot at any player they wanted, and their choice was Equine Constant. EC is dead. I guess she seemed the least wolf-like in the eyes of the wolves. I also guess that stone isn't gonna be all that useful. Whoever has it can throw it at the mods if they like.

And now it is our Ghost's turn. Who will she kill?

She comes into the house, goes straight to the basement and witnesses the wolves killing EC. "WTF", she says (the exclamation, not the player). "That is who I am supposed to be killing tonight. Whoops?😳" The wolves turn and see the feared ghost and chase her back into the backyard and she runs right into the hands of one of the government authorities who takes her body and throws her into the truck. They get in and drive away straight to the crematorium where all the dead are burned to a crisp.... 😱

Oh to answer the questions I asked in the first paragraph...
...was she decisive? no
...Was she sure of herself? no
...Did she try to kill anyone? yes
...did she actually kill anyone? no
...Did she pick the right person? Well yes and no. No because it was a villager, but yes in that she didn't kill another villager. :laugh:

All of the dead have been cremated. Our ghost killer has killed her last villager in this game. And last wolf for that matter. The living will decide this game once and for all, it should be over pretty darn soon, one way or the other.

Time to lynch someone.

It is Day 15. Lynch is closed when all living players have voted, waffles are exhausted, and players have sufficiently defended themselves in the Mod's opinion. Go to it.

There are 5 players left.

The basement
nohika
LIS
Rojo
Abbercadaver
DVMD

The Guest room
SOV's Study
The Master Bedroom
The Dining Room
The Great Room
The Kitchen
The Backyard
<vacant>

Crematorium
Nstarz
TwelveTigers
Sheepdogpoo
SwingnSave
FFM
Trematode
PetPony
Orcagirl
Allieh
cuitlamiztli
Foxhunter
wolfspeaker
WTF
Alors
SnS
ksmi117
jriddle7
hedgie
Philliab
JDH71
escalla
MrsSOV
Lupin21
Dwin
Orca2011
Jamr0ckin
Kakurubird
wildcatj
Devyn
Wldlfstdnt
Tropictuco
that redhead[
Dyachei, the faerie queen
EquineConstant

Real Life
Krist
FancyMyLotus (FML)

Hell
DocEspana
 
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Hey, I died like a normal person unlike everyone else in this game. Welp. I'm really surprised FH picked me...in any case, go get 'em, villagers.
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StartingoverVet said:
Do ghosts waffle? And if they waffle, do they have lots of choices to choose from. Absolutely. This night the decision of our friendly ghost killer would be crucial. Was she decisive? Was she sure of herself? Did she try to kill anyone? Did she actually kill anyone? Did she pick the right person? Such important questions. This ghostly decision was so important because the elixir of life, recently brought into the world by our alchemist was not in the hands of a living player. Why the heck would MrsSOV need a protective elixir when she is already dead? Well not her fault the gods of RNG chose her to have it on this important night.. Well, we will get back to FH's decision in a minute.

Let's now turn our attention to the wolves. Do wolves eat waffles? You bet they do. In fact, I think this group of wolves only eats waffles, and controversy, and argument, so basically waffles are their only food. The wolves can't decide which villager is most trusted to kill off.... The mods are waiting... and waiting... and waiting... for their decision.. It matters ya know.

But first we should take a look at the alley that leads up to backyard. What is that big white panel truck that is backing up to the rear gate door? The rear door of the truck opens up, a few guys in white jump out and they start loading all the corpses in the backyard into the truck. It seems that some of the living complained that the corpses were stinking up the place both in odor and in their lynch votes, so they called the authorities to come and clean things up. ALL of the bodies are loaded into the truck along with the items they had on them (unless they gave them away).... Gone are the seeing stone, the water stone, and the crystal ball. The plain stone is still around and the philosopher's stone containing the elixir of life was passed on to a living player JUST before the truck took MrsSOV's body. Wonder if she passed it to a wolf or a villager?

So... back to our wafflers. The wolves had a free shot at any player they wanted, and their choice was Equine Constant. EC is dead. I guess she seemed the least wolf-like in the eyes of the wolves. I also guess that stone isn't gonna be all that useful. Whoever has it can throw it at the mods if they like.

And now it is our Ghost's turn. Who will she kill?

She comes into the house, goes straight to the basement and witnesses the wolves killing EC. "WTF", she says (the exclamation, not the player). "That is who I am supposed to be killing tonight. Whoops?😳" The wolves turn and see the feared ghost and chase her back into the backyard and she runs right into the hands of one of the government authorities who takes her body and throws her into the truck. They get in and drive away straight to the crematorium where all the dead are burned to a crisp.... 😱

Oh to answer the questions I asked in the first paragraph...
...was she decisive? no
...Was she sure of herself? no
...Did she try to kill anyone? yes
...did she actually kill anyone? no
...Did she pick the right person? Well yes and no. No because it was a villager, but yes in that she didn't kill another villager. :laugh:

All of the dead have been cremated. Our ghost killer has killed her last villager in this game. And last wolf for that matter. The living will decide this game once and for all, it should be over pretty darn soon, one way or the other.

Time to lynch someone.

It is Day 15. Lynch is closed when all living players have voted, waffles are exhausted, and players have sufficiently defended themselves in the Mod's opinion. Go to it.

There are 5 players left.

The basement
nohika
LIS
Rojo
Abbercadaver
DVMD

The Guest room
SOV's Study
The Master Bedroom
The Dining Room
The Great Room
The Kitchen
The Backyard
<vacant>

Crematorium
Nstarz
TwelveTigers
Sheepdogpoo
SwingnSave
FFM
Trematode
PetPony
Orcagirl
Allieh
cuitlamiztli
Foxhunter
wolfspeaker
WTF
Alors
SnS
ksmi117
jriddle7
hedgie
Philliab
JDH71
escalla
MrsSOV
Lupin21
Dwin
Orca2011
Jamr0ckin
Kakurubird
wildcatj
Devyn
Wldlfstdnt
Tropictuco
that redhead[
Dyachei, the faerie queen
EquineConstant

Real Life
Krist
FancyMyLotus (FML)

Hell
DocEspana
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If we believe there are 2 wolves, its Nohika and Abbers.

I'll lynch whomever of those two.
 
StartingoverVet said:
NO MORE STRATEGY FROM THE DEAD.... you are all cremated and cannot strategize anymore.... Let the living figure it out themselves..
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Foxhunter said:
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wolves better watch out. Tonight I'm coming after rojo, LIS, abbers, DVMD, nohika, or EC
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You already killed me as a villager once. Don't go down in history killing me as a villager twice. I won't forget it. 🙂
 
LetItSnow said:
lynch Nohika ... might as well go with the one I keep coming back to.
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Why me? I'm still a bloody villager. I've shared all I have on the thread.

Going to go with lynch rojojojo for now. Might change later. Might have to work tonight, no idea though (yay my job).
 
StartingoverVet said:
Lynch Vote:

Nohika 1 (LIS)
Rojo 1 (nohika)

Roll Call: Rojo, DVMD, Abbers

Waffles: 0

Deadline: when we say so
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churning the wheels. Waiting for an answer to a PM before I make a decision. I will be limited tonight (going to a show with the misses), but will sneak off to the bathroom to keep checking in 😛)
 
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lynch all wolves

why? because....
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nohika said:
Why me? I'm still a bloody villager. I've shared all I have on the thread.
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Blind-ass guess, mostly. And because you niggle at me for reasons I can't figure out.

There are five players: nohika, me, Rojo, Abbercadaver, DVMD. I'm not a wolf, I don't really think DVMD is a wolf.

That leaves you, Rojo, Abber. I'm guessing it's you and Rojo are remaining wolves. But I don't really have any idea.
 
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Being cremated is no fun.
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Thank you, SOV. I'm resting happily in peace. I know they can pull this off.....go villagers!!! 👍
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I'm getting so tired of having to defend myself from lynches!

I don't even know what else to add to it. Not a wolf; wasn't a wolf. Granted, not incredibly important without the wolves killing me, but still a VILLAGER.

I mean, what else do you guys want to know? I've told you everything.

From the start, I trusted dyachei and rojo blindly. Dyachei turned out to NOT be a wolf, and I dont Rojo is one, either. Which only leaves a handful of people to choose from for wolf suspects.

DVMD has been SUPER aggressive and combattive towards everyone she's gunning to lynch. I don't like that. It makes my wolf sensors tingle.

Rojo, like I said, I'm not sold on because of what we PMed, the message to rojo to give the stone to EC, etc. I think if rojo was a wolf, the stone wouldn't have made it to EC.

Nohika has seemed open and honest about her ability, revealing everything that we've asked of her.

Then there's LIS who has been dead and alive and mostly-dead more times than I can count this game.

For me personally, the list of lynches pretty much goes: DVMD, LIS, Nohika, and Rojo.

For now lynch DVMD
 
Ok... here is the final bit of information that made me decide to lynch abbers. For me it was down to abbers, rojo, and nohika for a lynch. Rojo and I have been PMing.. I feel he is being very sincere.... he received information from the mods that there are two items in the game... one in villager hands, one in wolf hands...

LIS told me he does not have an item.

Rojo says he doesn't

Nohika says she doesn't

I have one.

Abbers told rojo she has the other.


You guys decide... but think about your decision. Abbers hasn't done anything all game to help us. I have netted us one wolf and pushed for an investigation of a second. I have lost a role (corroborated by mods twice), resurrected LIS (corroborated by mods), I was given a "gift" by the mods to find information on colors (which my colors are the exact same as what dyachei got). Do you really think the mods would allow me to resurrect a player AND be given a role that receives information if I were a wolf?

Abbers, I am always aggressive, this is how I play. This is how I find wolves. When I am not being aggressive, people wonder if I am wolf, not the other way around.

Anyway, I am not going to beat this into the ground. That is the information.

The way I see it, either rojo is being honest and Abbers is a wolf. Or rojo is FOS and made up that thing about the items.

I will swear again, I am NOT a wolf.. I swear on that little gray kitty's life that is in my avatar (my baby, my Na'Vi, my life). I am NOT a wolf. But I leave it up to the rest of you to decide. I have made my decision. If I am wrong in trusting rojo, then I am wrong, but he is being very sincere in PMs.
 
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Lynchy Lynchy! Let's see if the remaining villagers can pull this off...
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DVMDream said:
Ok... here is the final bit of information that made me decide to lynch abbers. For me it was down to abbers, rojo, and nohika for a lynch. Rojo and I have been PMing.. I feel he is being very sincere.... he received information from the mods that there are two items in the game... one in villager hands, one in wolf hands...

LIS told me he does not have an item.

Rojo says he doesn't

Nohika says she doesn't

I have one.

Abbers told rojo she has the other.


You guys decide... but think about your decision. Abbers hasn't done anything all game to help us. I have netted us one wolf and pushed for an investigation of a second. I have lost a role (corroborated by mods twice), resurrected LIS (corroborated by mods), I was given a "gift" by the mods to find information on colors (which my colors are the exact same as what dyachei got). Do you really think the mods would allow me to resurrect a player AND be given a role that receives information if I were a wolf?

Abbers, I am always aggressive, this is how I play. This is how I find wolves. When I am not being aggressive, people wonder if I am wolf, not the other way around.

Anyway, I am not going to beat this into the ground. That is the information.

The way I see it, either rojo is being honest and Abbers is a wolf. Or rojo is FOS and made up that thing about the items.

I will swear again, I am NOT a wolf.. I swear on that little gray kitty's life that is in my avatar (my baby, my Na'Vi, my life). I am NOT a wolf. But I leave it up to the rest of you to decide. I have made my decision. If I am wrong in trusting rojo, then I am wrong, but he is being very sincere in PMs.
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I think you're being a bit melodramatic here, swearing on your cat and all...it's a game, for heaven's sake. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a wolf, nor if both you and rojo were wolves. With how fast the wolf numbers changed (if I remember correctly) I wouldn't put it past the mods to do that (hell, I wouldn't put /anything/ past these mods). I wouldn't put it past rojo either to make up the item things. Wolves have done various things like that when they're close to the end of the game.

I know I'm not a wolf. I'm not wholly sold on abbers - I know what it's like to have a role that's not useful until you're dead. It's super frustrating and you're basically useless to defend yourself.

Plus commenting on investigations in this doesn't seem like a useful strategy, since they seem to be hit or miss when it comes to results. I dunno. Something just seems off right now.
 
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