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We don't learn in class -- we have to teach ourselves everything. They screw us with scheduling..like giving lectures the day before exams...they don't care about the students...we study 24/7...and still barely get by.

Are other students going through this or am I just being a baby? please let me know.

I got into UMDNJ and every single day I regret its more and more and more.
 
i mean....we don't go out...we have 5 classes at once..the administration don't give a crap about us...its bad here...i got into UMDNJ and i regreat EVERY DAY that i didn't go there...sooooo...think twice about NYCOM
 
we had 2 classes last semester that were PBL (problem based), and i felt absolutely ripped off.

i don't pay 20 large per year to be told that i am expected to teach myself and teach my classmates. i asked for a refund in my evals.

as for your situation, it's the same everywhere. we're in a light semester right now with only 15 hours of lecture per week and about 10 hours of small group work.

our administration doesn't give two ****s about us either, and the "old boys club" isn't about to change anything about it.

i guess that if you want it bad enough, you'll stick it out.
 
theDr. said:
i mean....we don't go out...we have 5 classes at once..the administration don't give a crap about us...its bad here...i got into UMDNJ and i regreat EVERY DAY that i didn't go there...sooooo...think twice about NYCOM
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Suck it up...every school has its issues, and most people get through. Quit whining, study, take your tests, pass....BUT find yourself an outlet....something that will help you relax....I suggest exercise. If you dont, we will see headlines about another "clock tower" incident.
stomper
 
stomper627 said:
Suck it up...every school has its issues, and most people get through. Quit whining, study, take your tests, pass....BUT find yourself an outlet....something that will help you relax....I suggest exercise. If you dont, we will see headlines about another "clock tower" incident.
stomper
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I agree I'm a 2nd year at DMU and I think they take great care of the students, but that doesn't mean in the 10 days around thanksgiving we didn't have 5 tests...............or that we had a test the 2nd week back on 24 lectures and 3 of them were the day before. It's med school, keep jumping through hoops and it will either get easier or you will become immune to the fact that it sucks so much.
 
As Governor Schwarzenegger stated in "Kindergarten Cop": STOP WHINING!
 
whatever...how would you feel if you constant felt like you weren't trying to become a doctor but just trying to pass exams so you wouldn't fail out.
 
Welcome to Med School
 
theDr. said:
whatever...how would you feel if you constant felt like you weren't trying to become a doctor but just trying to pass exams so you wouldn't fail out.
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Oh, so youre the only one.....
FYI....just passing=not failing out=DO.
get some cahounas and stop whining....
stomper
 
theDr. said:
We don't learn in class -- we have to teach ourselves everything. They screw us with scheduling..like giving lectures the day before exams...they don't care about the students...we study 24/7...and still barely get by.

Are other students going through this or am I just being a baby? please let me know.

I got into UMDNJ and every single day I regret its more and more and more.
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yup its just your school

or maybe its just you?
 
To the OP, I know what you are going through. It can be tough at times. Most of us had trouble adjusting to medical school schedule initially. Overtime, you will be ok. Just keep working hard, try to pass all the classes. You will enjoy third and fourth rotations much better.
 
stomper627 said:
Oh, so youre the only one.....
FYI....just passing=not failing out=DO.
get some cahounas and stop whining....
stomper
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FYI...Cajones 🙂
 
Stomper etc..

I whole heartedly agree. Suck it up you little whiners!. For me it was the second day of my first year at NYCOM. Some random upper-classman said "These will be the worst two years of your life." As a naive frosh I was terrified. But now as an MS IV I must say what a load of $#!@$#!. I worked harder in undergrad than in my first two years of med school and as for the guy giving advice that first day...It turned out that he had been repeating 1st and 2nd yrs for some time and will actually be graduating in my class. Anyway, sorry to get of on a tangent. My moral being med school at NYCOM or anywhere for that matter is never as bad as they say so long as you have some degree of discipline. Keep your eyes on the prize and it will be over soon.

-B
NYCOM 2005
 
Each student has a different experience, even at the same school. Trust me, MSIII and MSIV are infinitely better! Out of the classroom, into the fire...in a good way.
 
suncoast said:
Each student has a different experience, even at the same school. Trust me, MSIII and MSIV are infinitely better! Out of the classroom, into the fire...in a good way.
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I agree. Wait till your 3rd and 4th year. You only really need to get by your first 2 years.
 
theDr. said:
We don't learn in class -- we have to teach ourselves everything. They screw us with scheduling..like giving lectures the day before exams...they don't care about the students...we study 24/7...and still barely get by.

Are other students going through this or am I just being a baby? please let me know.

I got into UMDNJ and every single day I regret its more and more and more.
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There has to be a reason why you are struggling. Maybe the people on SDN could offer some useful advice if they knew more about your situation. What are your study habits like? Were you a non science major in undergrad? Are you not used to studying on your own or deriving information from a textbook?
 
stomper627 said:
Suck it up...every school has its issues, and most people get through. Quit whining, study, take your tests, pass
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Gimme a break. Like you've never complained about anything. 🙄 By your "pass=DO" comment a few posts lower than the one quoted here, it's obvious you aren't going into Derm, Rads, Optho, etc. Having a pulse will get you into FP, IM, OB, etc.

To everyone else, med school doesn't have to be filled with stupid BS. Is it too much to ask to have a good INSTRUCTOR vs. LECTURER??? If the school can't find a good teacher, then tell me what topic I'm supposed to study, give me a couple hours off from lecture, and I'll learn the information. But don't insult me by paying some ***** who has "DO" behind his name to come to class and waste my time. I'm in school to LEARN and many of our instructors actually prevent it.

To the OP, things are the exact same down here. Take comfort in the fact you're not alone.
 
I interviewed at NYCOM, and I've gotta tell you, I got a gnawing gut feeling that things might have been worse than the student ambassadors were letting on. There are apparently real scheduling problems there, and people really seem to dislike the pharmacology class there, too. I got the feeling that they didn't think much of the students there by the way they treated the applicants, especially in regard to interview time given to each candidate. It seemed more about speed and efficiency--herd them into the conference room, give them a poorly thought-out talk about financial aid, do a quick 15 minute interview, get 'em out and cash their checks.

That scared me. It made me think that the entire school was like that. Maybe it actually is.

Hang in there--you will be a physician after all is said and done, and I hear the networking/residency placement that NYCOM has in the city and the Northeast is pretty great. 🙂
 
tempressDO said:
To the OP, things are the exact same down here. Take comfort in the fact you're not alone.
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hmmm... I find this interesting. 😉

-NS
 
I'm entering med school next year, possibly at NYCOM, possibly not...but I've got to assume that med school, at its most basic, is very similar to an experience at any other type of school. Tougher, more rigorous, higher stakes...yes. But still, especially with a class size like NYCOM's, you're going to find those who breeze through first and second year, those who hate it and may have to repeat classes, and everything in between.

I find it really bizarre that people get to this point in their lives and haven't figured out that their educational experience at a given institution does not apply to everyone else...next year, I'm sure there will be first years at NYCOM in the OP's shoes: hating every second of it, despising the curriculum, and struggling to get by. But there will be many others with a different perspective/experience.

All you can do is worry about your own situation and become the doctor you want to be. Don't try to scare future students away based on your experience alone. Or at least preface your post with something stating that your particular experience has been bad. Saying everything is awful at NYCOM right now and we're all screwed is hardly a constructive argument...most of the things you mentioned were extremely vague. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope things get better for you, but I'm not sure you're going about criticizing your school the right way...
 
tempressDO said:
Gimme a break. Like you've never complained about anything. 🙄 By your "pass=DO" comment a few posts lower than the one quoted here, it's obvious you aren't going into Derm, Rads, Optho, etc. Having a pulse will get you into FP, IM, OB, etc.
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Not that I should have to defend myself but...actually, Ive decided on EM (an allopathic program) over ortho, yes, I had the grades and scores to get ortho, but chose based on lifestyle, family (my fiancee is going into peds), chance to still do procedures, options in Sports med, etc....
Have I complained....yes. Do I do it on a public forum? No. What do I do...as I stated in the first post....FIND AN OUTLET!!! Me, I bodybuild and that is my release.
stomper
 
theDr. said:
We don't learn in class -- we have to teach ourselves everything. They screw us with scheduling..like giving lectures the day before exams...they don't care about the students...we study 24/7...and still barely get by.

Are other students going through this or am I just being a baby? please let me know.

I got into UMDNJ and every single day I regret its more and more and more.
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If it's any consolation, sounds a lot like MSUCOM. There are a few amazing professors who actually teach us. But that is rare, and most of us end up teaching ourselves and each other. The schedule is just as bad here too. Waiting for third and fourth year when things are said to improve dramatically.
 
For instance,
they scheduled a anatomy lab on wed -- with an anatomy lecture. Then a micro exam on Thurs and anatomy exam on Friday -- that is complete garbage. Do they care about us learning the materiala nd actually doing well. I feel like im gonna fail out because of their awful, careless scheduling -- they can care less about us. I just wanted to go to school, learn and nothing more -- now i constantly feel like im just trying to survive -- its stupid.
 
Are there any nycom or msucom students who dont feel this way? Where is the other side of the story? Do these schools have serious problems, or are you just venting?
 
NO...im telling you. I got into UMDNJ and I regret every single moment being here...I don't know if im gnona make it cause it soo bad here. Classes are useless, education is terrible -- nycom is worthless. If you got in here...dont come -- go somewhere else or reapply -- just don't come to this worthless place.
 
honestly,
does any other school have a schedule like this??????? i am only at NYCOM -- is the scheduling so bad that you feel they are setting you up to fail???? tell me...and yeah...i don't see any other nycomers syaing they love NYCOM.
 
Hey...its hard....but its hard everywhere....
Yes, as an LDP at LECOM, we had tests what seemed like everyweek, usually on Monday, and we got most of the lectures thurs and friday. Sometimes we didnt even get the notes until AFTER the test. But you know what? MOST PEOPLE MADE IT THROUGH. During MSII, we DID have tests every monday. Oh no....guess I cant party too much Sat night then.
Find a way to deal, and deal. IF this is your outlet, do not expect to find too many people to sympathize with you. Mostly, youll make people think you are a whiney little 5 year old.
It gets better once rotations start. But remember it gets A LOT worse once residency starts....if you cant handle it now....not sure how youll handle the future.
stomper
 
Hell no, you guys are not alone. Everyone bitches and moans about school. The good thing about going to a new school is that people actually make the pretense of listening to the constant bitching. Sometimes things change, sometimes they don't. Did we have 11 exams in 4 days? Is our consistent average on anatomy exams a 60? Does the instructor refuse to do anything about it? Do we have totally half assed teachers from local colleges who have never taught med school coming to lecture on a white board and who admits he has no idea what's on Step 1 in pyhs? Are we theoretically in lecture 35 hours a week? Hell yah, buddy. But the thing is, I have fantastic supportive classmates, an administration that legitimately wants us to succeed, and a sense of humor. I really think the first two years have **** all to do with making us doctors. The basic sciences are a means to an end so that we can pass the boards so we can actually learn medicine. Just do the best you can and try to drum up some support from your fellow students. Good luck.
 
amoxicillin said:
honestly,
does any other school have a schedule like this??????? i am only at NYCOM -- is the scheduling so bad that you feel they are setting you up to fail???? tell me...and yeah...i don't see any other nycomers syaing they love NYCOM.
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The sad thing is, this should have turned into a flame war long ago, but it didn't. There really doesn't seem to be anyone trying to debunk your claims. I hope this is just a problem unique to NYCOM. I haven't heard anything remotely similar about any of the other DO schools.
 
stomper627 said:
Hey...its hard....but its hard everywhere....
Yes, as an LDP at LECOM, we had tests what seemed like everyweek, usually on Monday, and we got most of the lectures thurs and friday. Sometimes we didnt even get the notes until AFTER the test. But you know what? MOST PEOPLE MADE IT THROUGH. During MSII, we DID have tests every monday. Oh no....guess I cant party too much Sat night then.
Find a way to deal, and deal. IF this is your outlet, do not expect to find too many people to sympathize with you. Mostly, youll make people think you are a whiney little 5 year old.
It gets better once rotations start. But remember it gets A LOT worse once residency starts....if you cant handle it now....not sure how youll handle the future.
stomper
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Finally, a voice of reason.
 
I know i can handle it -- but how would you feel if your school seems to be setting you up to fail and not succeed and not learn the material well -- AND -- they could care less....its hard being in such an environment.....i feel like im not gonna survive not because im not intelligent but because NYCOM sucks as a schoola nd I made the wrong decisions...that is just an awful...awful feeling.
 
Kevbot said:
The sad thing is, this should have turned into a flame war long ago, but it didn't. There really doesn't seem to be anyone trying to debunk your claims. I hope this is just a problem unique to NYCOM. I haven't heard anything remotely similar about any of the other DO schools.
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Which is really great news to those of us who only have one acceptance thus far, and that acceptance happens to be at NYCOM. Jaysus. I may not have any choice but to go to NYCOM if I want to become a physician (and I do, very badly indeed). I don't plan on whining and crying on these message boards when times get tough. Why not do something proactive about it instead of whining?

Thanks a lot to the OP and others for freaking us possibly-future-NYCOMers out.
 
Karine04 said:
Thanks a lot to the OP and others for freaking us possibly-future-NYCOMers out.
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You don't have anything to worry about. If you're dedicated, work hard, and pay attention to the little pearls that the faculty share, you will do fine as a first year student at NYCOM. Both the Classes of 2006 and 2007 have worked with administration in an effort to change the curriculum so that future classes can benefit (i.e., lighter first/second block second year class load). We only asked for changes that would be of help, not of further burden. To see that action was taken so quickly really took me by surprise. You'll be appreciative of these changes once second year comes along, trust me.
 
aerial said:
You don't have anything to worry about. If you're dedicated, work hard, and pay attention to the little pearls that the faculty share, you will do fine as a first year student at NYCOM. Both the Classes of 2006 and 2007 have worked with administration in an effort to change the curriculum so that future classes can benefit (i.e., lighter first/second block second year class load). We only asked for changes that would be of help, not of further burden. To see that action was taken so quickly really took me by surprise. You'll be appreciative of these changes once second year comes along, trust me.
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Thanks for the reassurance.

I love your signature! Barack Obama's speech at the DNC nearly made me cry.

I'll leave the MS forums now, as I'm not quite a MS yet.
 
aerial said:
You don't have anything to worry about. If you're dedicated, work hard, and pay attention to the little pearls that the faculty share, you will do fine as a first year student at NYCOM. Both the Classes of 2006 and 2007 have worked with administration in an effort to change the curriculum so that future classes can benefit (i.e., lighter first/second block second year class load). We only asked for changes that would be of help, not of further burden. To see that action was taken so quickly really took me by surprise. You'll be appreciative of these changes once second year comes along, trust me.
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I agree about working hard and getting by. Right now problem is as Karene04 said they made changes quick and caught first year in the middle of the year by making changes of the existing schedule what overloaded us to certain degree. It could be very well the case that incoming first years will have normal schedule. What pissed people off most is that we even did not know its coming untill too late, the way it was presented by admin, and certain changes in the policy they forgot to tell us
 
Just from what I have heard around here, a professor of ours used to teach at NYCOM and she has said that NYCOM treats their students like pure crap. I have no complaints about CCOM.
 
See...i wasn't joking...im just warning you not to come here..thats all...advice I wish I had when i was making a decision.

BTW...how is UMDNJ....how is your workload/scheduling...
 
MSUCOM has remarkably good professors. We have had a few who have the tendency to be monotone but aside from that, I've enjoyed immensely the brunt of our lectures. Granted, I don't really go to class but what they're saying in the recordings is generally well-thought out. Almost every professor we've had has demonstrated that they are knowledgeable of board examination material. Not only that but the fact that I have done well without any texts and without studying with classmates is a pretty good indicator (I think) that the professors are doing a great deal right!

In my first year, I thought Drs. Triezenburg, Stephenson, Wang, Sparks, and Rechtien were all superior at what they do. I can think of one professor that I would classify as being inadequate and that professor was only involved for a few weeks in one class. The others were just fine.

As to the scheduling, why would you desire a schedule that is anything short of demanding? You have alot to learn before taking your first board exam and hitting rotations. Be thankful for the challenge and get over the "woe is me" complex. The woe belongs to your patients should you not choose to push yourself.
 
Karine: if only every politician were like Barack Obama 🙂

Dreamer: I agree, they could have have been more forthcoming with the information. But at least the changes were made in time so that your class could take advantage of it.

Like MSUCOM, NYCOM has fantastic first-year faculty. I'm not going to list them off, but these individuals have well written notes, provide excellent lectures, and are always available for help when you need it. Those who don't have as detailed notes give great lectures and always have office hours. Use these resources: if you're having a hard time with something, ask for help. You're in graduate school, guys. Everything you need to know is literally put in your mailboxes-- you can't expect to constantly have your hand held (in fact, there's probably too much hand-holding during the first year). Right now you may feel overwhelmed, but even with the new classes added in, Block 5 and 6 will be cake compared to your earlier ones.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same for most of second year. I guess the good times had to end somewhere. But after seeing some of the third years, we all come out strong...
 
amoxicillin said:
I know i can handle it -- but how would you feel if your school seems to be setting you up to fail and not succeed and not learn the material well -- AND -- they could care less....its hard being in such an environment.....i feel like im not gonna survive not because im not intelligent but because NYCOM sucks as a schoola nd I made the wrong decisions...that is just an awful...awful feeling.
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Boo-hoo....
It doesnt sound as though you can handle it. Your sitting here telling me youll be able to handle the rigors of residency when you cant handle MSI? Do you think I am a *****?
I know how it feels....LECOM is OBSESSIVE. They do make you feel as though you will be destined to be a Primary Care doc....hell, its even in the Mission Statement of the school. Many times did I feel as though they were just setting me up 'to just pass' a class, or 'just pass' the boards. So yeah, I do know. You obviously do not know the Ferrettis.... (gotta post this one here for ya to give you an idea about them... http://www.ajuel.com/Lecom framepage.htm )
Shut up, quit whining and do your work. Try new things for study and PLAY, and one thing for sure, realize that med school is not your life....its only a part of your life. You are an adult, at least act like one.
stomper
 
As a fourth year at NYCOM I have seen a lot of changes made, and I have heard of how it was before i started here. This school has improved 5 fold in the last three years, and probably 10 fold in the last ten years. To think that a school would make it difficult to become a physician, to excel and school, or to learn the information in your first two years that forms the basis for medicine is ludicrious. From the change in administration, to the recent addition of the patient simulation lab, to some of the changes they have made to drop certain professors and pick up new ones...it is readily apparent that this school does care. What people are failing to realize is that the parent institution has different ideas on the proper way to run a medical school. Their dictum hinders NYCOM's efforts to keep excellent professors; their bad financial decisions in the past are evident in the "redistribution" of $$$ from NYCOM to NYIT; and don't forget that NYCOM is a tuition driven school and thus garnishing a substantial portion of that undermines the ability of the school to make certain changes. Now, I am not without complaints - there are certain things that need to be changed ie., lack of well qualified educators, deficits in administrative personnel etc....but bear in mind that students still get through, they still are getting great residency programs ini great institutions and, despite certain shortcomings, NYCOM does an excellent job of - and read this part well - PROVIDING the basis for medical education and laying the foundation needed to become an excellent physician. Learning on your own is paramount to the field of medicine, as concepts are the only thing that can be taught......knowledge is earned individually.....Remember that.....so don't be ashamed or have doubts about coming to this school

**This author has no finincial interest in NYCOM nor does he get kickbacks from tuition**
 
To any poster who replies w/the phrase "suck it up, or you won't be able to handle residency", or any of that other condescending bs that so many SDNers have been spouting at this kid.

Get off your high horse and help. Instead of sitting there and telling him to suck it up, why don't you give him help. This kick him while he's down mentality is terrible. This is my least favorite part of medical students in general. More of them, especially the ones doing really well, need to help out the rest. Its very easy to get lost if you don't know what to do and you don't have someone else to help you through it.

To the OP: Med school sucks and there's no getting around it. Some people have a tough time adapting to this new system. It doesn't mean that you're stupid or you won't make it. Have you tried an alternative way to learn? If you feel that classes aren't helping you out, don't go. Its just that simple. If your not doing well in classes, try different books, get question books if that helps, try BRSs or any other commecial review sources out there. Figure out what works for you, don't try to force yourself to work around someone elses system, create your own.

I was in your shoes 2 years ago and actually failed a system @ my current school. The truth of the matter is that medical education is all self study. From day 1 untill you die. Once you get out into 3rd year and beyond, its all reading on your own and teaching yourself a lot of it. It sucks that we have to pay all this $$ to read books but just think about it as a down payment on your career. You play their game and pay 4 years of tuition and they will help you out down the road w/a 6 figure job for the rest of your life. If you need any more help, feel free to pm me. Good luck w/the rest of year, I hope you pull through
 
I will also say to any of the prospective 1st year nycom students are reading this and getting freaked out. I’m a MSII and I love it here. I think the school does a great job teaching us, with the exception of 1-2 profs. But point me to a school that doesnt have the occasional bad lecturer, and ill point to someone who has their pants on fire. Again I really like it here, the student body is the best, and the adminitration is extremely adaptive in that problems are not repeated from year to year. And as I have said in another thread concerning NYCOM don’t pay to much attention to amoxicillin. Evidently hes not preforming so well in class. I love it when students who do poorly blame the teachers for not “teaching good enough” or the administration for “setting them up to fail”. Theres a lot of stuff to teach and only 4 years in which to teach it. Just keep your head down, and try and enjoy the ride as much as possible. We have a large class and if only a handfull of students hate it here, but the rest love it. I concider that a pretty good record
 
you will appreciate all of your work when you:

A) kick butt on the boards
B) get into the residency you want

I would THINK about what you are saying about the administration- look around and consider that they are changing the curriculum to help you achieve A and B. A school is only as good as the people it graduates and frankly your attitude is most concerning-
 
AP said:
**This author has no finincial interest in NYCOM nor does he get kickbacks from tuition**
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Hmmm... if my nose serves me right, I think I smell a fellow. 😉

Okay, enough of following this thread.
 
amoxicillin said:
NO...im telling you. I got into UMDNJ and I regret every single moment being here...I don't know if im gnona make it cause it soo bad here. Classes are useless, education is terrible -- nycom is worthless. If you got in here...dont come -- go somewhere else or reapply -- just don't come to this worthless place.
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Unfortunately, I know exactly how you feel. I got into another program too, an MD one actually, and I've been regretting going to NYCOM for the past year and a half. NYCOM right now isn't a good school and there are only a hand full of people in the second year I know that actually like NYCOM. If it makes you feel better, you'll get used to the regret and it won't feel as bad in the second year. Then once you're in rotations, you'll be ok.
 
med26 said:
Unfortunately, I know exactly how you feel. I got into another program too, an MD one actually, and I've been regretting going to NYCOM for the past year and a half. NYCOM right now isn't a good school and there are only a hand full of people in the second year I know that actually like NYCOM. If it makes you feel better, you'll get used to the regret and it won't feel as bad in the second year. Then once you're in rotations, you'll be ok.
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I just looked through your post history and not one thing you have said has been positive, not one thing. +pity+ I feel bad for chronic complainers like you who no matter what they do, or where they are will find something wrong and let it lead their life.

Anyway, NYCOM rules.

peace.
 
Cowboy DO said:
Anyway, NYCOM rules.
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I second that.

And now, back to my regularly scheduled program...
 
me454555 said:
To any poster who replies w/the phrase "suck it up, or you won't be able to handle residency", or any of that other condescending bs that so many SDNers have been spouting at this kid.

Get off your high horse and help. Instead of sitting there and telling him to suck it up, why don't you give him help. This kick him while he's down mentality is terrible. This is my least favorite part of medical students in general. More of them, especially the ones doing really well, need to help out the rest. Its very easy to get lost if you don't know what to do and you don't have someone else to help you through it.
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Obviously you dont read the entire posts...
what good does it do to sit on an anonymous message board and whine? Not much...hence the "Shut up....quit whining"
Although this may be harsh, perhaps this is what these whiners need...someone to tell them that it gets harder and you have to learn how to deal with it. Find yourself somehow to deal with it....whether that means a change in study habits, books, sleep, whatever. I would also recommend adding exercise into you daily routine. This kicks those endorphins in and gives you a bit of a high. Youll feel better, and do better scholastically. If you cant handle this, then find another outlet for your stress...paint, read, play a musical instrument, whatever, anything that is CONSTRUCTIVE, as nothing you whine about on this board will help. Just makes you look like a child.
stomper
 
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