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Are there feasible ways of augmenting a FP income significantly to that of a specialist, while still retaining the flexibility and lifestyle that is characteristic of FP?

hiring lots of PAs? buying imaging equipment? how and where can one find out how actual physicians in practice acquire and assimilate good buissness skills, and increase their incomes? is there any good resources? magazines?
 
At least where I've done my Family Practice rotations, one common theme is the successful ones tend to have a "gig" that separates them from the pack. This is usually some type of procedure or service that makes them different from the competition and more marketable (botox, in-office stress tests, other procedures etc.)

Info about income potential is best learned by working directly with as many FPs as you can, speaking to their office managers and getting a feel for what makes the practice sucessful. You've hinted at lots of the secrets already: PAs, procedures, in-office equipment plus also a good insurance person, good staff, good marketing, you need all of them to be super rich in FP. Unforunately, with all of this you need plenty of dough up front which puts many in serious debt for the first few years. Also, to make more money requires more time commitment to the office and practice and that may not be what you want. From what I've seen, the more money one makes, longer is the list of stresses and longer is the time commitment required to keep the ship sailing (at least for the first few years).

And then again, there are people like me who don't want such massive overhead or large office staff arrangements and are content seeing fewer patients and making less $$$, you've gotta balance it out...
 
or you can practice urgent care or rural em as an fp doc and make good money with no overhead......
 
emedpa said:
or you can practice urgent care or rural em as an fp doc and make good money with no overhead......

I didn't think that urgent care docs made that much...am I wrong?
 
yes, you are wrong....lol

FP makes as much as FP wants. That is the common theme to all of these threads. You get paid as much as an EM doc to do the same work when it comes to urgent care. Only thing is, you can choose to follow these patients for follow up if you have the right facility.
 
nebrfan said:
I didn't think that urgent care docs made that much...am I wrong?

i think some of them do pretty well. i know of an urgent care center in NC, where i used to live, and they are doing well. like in the 200s,.
i dont know if thats the standard or average but i know they do pretty good
 
Fp Docs Around Here Make 60-100/hr + Bonus And Have Zero Overhead And A Great Em-like Schedule With The Ability To Do Shift Work And Schedule Vacations Without Taking Time Off. If You Want To Work 12 Days In A Row You Can Take Off The Rest Of The Month As You Have Already Worked Your Share Of Shifts For The Month.
 
emedpa said:
Fp Docs Around Here Make 60-100/hr + Bonus And Have Zero Overhead And A Great Em-like Schedule With The Ability To Do Shift Work And Schedule Vacations Without Taking Time Off. If You Want To Work 12 Days In A Row You Can Take Off The Rest Of The Month As You Have Already Worked Your Share Of Shifts For The Month.

Agree that many FPs are enjoying the schedule of an EM doc but how long will this continue to last? As more and more EM board certified docs come out each year, won't there be less opportunity, even in a rural area, for the FP to work in emergency rooms?
 
icebreakers said:
Are there feasible ways of augmenting a FP income significantly to that of a specialist, while still retaining the flexibility and lifestyle that is characteristic of FP?

In a nutshell, work your butt off. ;-)

Seriously...the more you work, the more money you can make. It's not hard to figure out. The best-paid FPs in my area are the ones who see the most patients.

If you're looking for an "angle" of some sort, there are a few things that come to mind. One is a retainer model practice. Done right, this can improve a practice's cash flow, reduce the number of patients that need to be seen in order to cover expenses, allow doctors more time with their patients, and improve the quality of care. However, in most states, retainer (or "concierge") models are under the microscope right now, so tread carefully, as it's a bit of a legal and ethical minefield.

Another is to increase volume through the use of physician extenders (NPs or PAs), but keep in mind that these highly-compensated employees along with the ancillaries needed to handle the increased volume of patients will raise your overhead considerably, and you may be held liable for any malpractice on their part if they're under your supervision.

Another approach popular these days is to incorporate cosmetic services (like laser hair removal, skin rejuvenation, etc.) into your practice, but there's a real art to doing this right (both from a marketing standpoint as well as an ethical one). Selling products in your office is almost universally frowned upon by medical ethicists and most professional bodies (e.g., the AMA, etc.)

Some FPs have tried to do more office procedures, since insurance companies generally reimburse procedural work at a higher rate than cognitive work. However, the list of procedures that an FP can do is rather limited, and not all insurers reimburse equally for them. Also, doing higher-risk procedures (e.g., colonoscopy, exercise stress-testing, etc.) in your office can increase your malpractice insurance costs, which, along with the costs of training, equipment, maintainance, and additional office space, could conceivably wipe out most or all of the profits generated by the procedures themselves. Generally, you have to do a lot of procedures in order to make it worthwhile, and in areas with a lot of competition from specialists, an FP may find it tough going.

Hope this helps!
Kent
 
Well lemme see....Be doing both FP and Er for 14 years now....worked 70-80 hours a week in rural ER seeing about 25-35 patients a night (they were sick river rat type) people. Now about 3 years ago I was pulling in about $145 per hour with malpractice paid but no health benefits and then for a while i also did a stint as ER Director at the same place which added on an extra 5k per month to my income...so doing the math...well anyway I pulled in 480,000 gross in 2003. But lemme tell you I paid dearly for that year...never saw my family.

Hope that helps....Rob
 
drhoover said:
Well lemme see....Be doing both FP and Er for 14 years now....worked 70-80 hours a week in rural ER seeing about 25-35 patients a night (they were sick river rat type) people. Now about 3 years ago I was pulling in about $145 per hour with malpractice paid but no health benefits and then for a while i also did a stint as ER Director at the same place which added on an extra 5k per month to my income...so doing the math...well anyway I pulled in 480,000 gross in 2003. But lemme tell you I paid dearly for that year...never saw my family.

Hope that helps....Rob

hey rob, thanks for your info. i was thinking of specializing in er after my FM training is up, do you think its worth it, b/c i have heard i need to to work in an er setting, either moonlight or fulltime, but i have heard of docs doing it with their FM training.
 
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