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I know Michigan is in the top 5 (I think number 4), but does anybody else know the rest of the top 10?

I remember Harvard being 1 and Hopkins 2 but this was back in 1997.
 
I know Michigan is in the top 5 (I think number 4), but does anybody else know the rest of the top 10?

I remember Harvard being 1 and Hopkins 2 but this was back in 1997.

If you rank them according to the Residency Director assessment contribution (on a 5.0 scale) to the US News & WR rankings:

1. Harvard (4.7)
2. Johns Hopkins (4.6)
2. Duke (4.6)
4. UCSF (4.5)
4. Stanford (4.5)
6. Washington University in St. Louis (4.4)
6. University of Michigan (4.4)
8. Penn (4.3)
8. Columbia (4.3)
10. Yale (4.2)
10. Cornell (4.2)
 
Wow, where did you get those numbers?
 
Here are the numbers for 2005's research rankings:

1 Harvard University (MA) 4.7
2 Washington University in St. Louis 4.5
3 Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.7
4 Duke University (NC) 4.5
University of Pennsylvania 4.3
6 University of California – San Francisco 4.4
7 University of Michigan – Ann Arbor 4.5
8 Columbia U. College of Physicians and Surgeons (NY) 4.2
Stanford University (CA) 4.4
10 University of Washington 4.2
Yale University (CT) 4.2
12 Cornell University (Weill) (NY) 4.2
13 Baylor College of Medicine (TX) 3.8
14 University of California – Los Angeles (Geffen) 3.9
15 University of Pittsburgh 4
Vanderbilt University (TN) 4.1
17 University of California – San Diego 3.9
U. of Texas Southwestern Medical Center – Dallas 4.1
19 Emory University (GA) 4
20 Northwestern University (Feinberg) (IL) 4
University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill 3.9
22 Mayo Medical School (MN) 3.9
University of Chicago 4
24 Case Western Reserve University (OH) 3.8
25 University of Alabama – Birmingham 3.8
University of Virginia 4
University of Wisconsin – Madison 3.8
28 Mount Sinai School of Medicine (NY) 3.6
University of Iowa (Roy J. & Lucille A. Carver) 3.8
30 New York University 3.5
31 University of Colorado Health Sciences Center 3.5
32 University of Rochester (NY) 3.5
University of Southern California 3.5
34 Dartmouth Medical School (NH) 3.7
Oregon Health & Science University 3.4
University of Minnesota – Twin Cities 3.6
37 Yeshiva University (Albert Einstein) (NY) 3.3
38 Ohio State University 3.4
39 Indiana University – Indianapolis 3.6
40 Tufts University (MA) 3.6
University of Florida 3.4
Wake Forest University (NC) 3.5
43 Boston University 3.4
Brown University (RI) 3.5
Georgetown University (DC) 3.4
University of Cincinnati 3.3
University of Maryland 3.3
48 University of Utah 3.6
49 University of California – Davis 3.3
50 Jefferson Medical College (PA) 3.2
Medical College of Wisconsin 3.3
University of Miami (FL) 3.2
53 University of California – Irvine 3.1
University of Massachusetts – Worcester 3.1
Univ. of Texas Health Science Center – Houston 3.4
56 Stony Brook University (NY) 2.9
Tulane University (LA) 3.2
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School 3.2
59 University of Connecticut 3
60 Va. Commonwealth U. – Medical Col. of Va. 3.4


Sorry the formatting is a bit off.

I'm wondering how much weight I should give these. If you assume that the most important way a school's reputation affects your future opportunities is in which residency you get (and from that, fellowship, attending position, etc), then this number is hugely important. Is that logic solid?

For example, if I'm choosing between University of Texas--Houston (I pick that one because I'm in state and it's on these rankings) and BU, which both have a 3.4, is there little advantage repuation-wise at BU? I would think BU would have a much better rep, but perhaps not... (Obviously there are other considerations to made, too.)
 
You might also want to take a look at their methodology. I believe they had 28% of the residency directors return surveys. So not exatcly a definitive ranking . . .
 
Here are the numbers for 2005's research rankings:

1 Harvard University (MA) 4.7
2 Washington University in St. Louis 4.5
3 Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.7
4 Duke University (NC) 4.5
University of Pennsylvania 4.3
6 University of California – San Francisco 4.4
7 University of Michigan – Ann Arbor 4.5
8 Columbia U. College of Physicians and Surgeons (NY) 4.2
Stanford University (CA) 4.4
10 University of Washington 4.2
Yale University (CT) 4.2
12 Cornell University (Weill) (NY) 4.2
13 Baylor College of Medicine (TX) 3.8
14 University of California – Los Angeles (Geffen) 3.9
15 University of Pittsburgh 4
Vanderbilt University (TN) 4.1
17 University of California – San Diego 3.9
U. of Texas Southwestern Medical Center – Dallas 4.1
19 Emory University (GA) 4
20 Northwestern University (Feinberg) (IL) 4
University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill 3.9
22 Mayo Medical School (MN) 3.9
University of Chicago 4
24 Case Western Reserve University (OH) 3.8
25 University of Alabama – Birmingham 3.8
University of Virginia 4
University of Wisconsin – Madison 3.8
28 Mount Sinai School of Medicine (NY) 3.6
University of Iowa (Roy J. & Lucille A. Carver) 3.8
30 New York University 3.5
31 University of Colorado Health Sciences Center 3.5
32 University of Rochester (NY) 3.5
University of Southern California 3.5
34 Dartmouth Medical School (NH) 3.7
Oregon Health & Science University 3.4
University of Minnesota – Twin Cities 3.6
37 Yeshiva University (Albert Einstein) (NY) 3.3
38 Ohio State University 3.4
39 Indiana University – Indianapolis 3.6
40 Tufts University (MA) 3.6
University of Florida 3.4
Wake Forest University (NC) 3.5
43 Boston University 3.4
Brown University (RI) 3.5
Georgetown University (DC) 3.4
University of Cincinnati 3.3
University of Maryland 3.3
48 University of Utah 3.6
49 University of California – Davis 3.3
50 Jefferson Medical College (PA) 3.2
Medical College of Wisconsin 3.3
University of Miami (FL) 3.2
53 University of California – Irvine 3.1
University of Massachusetts – Worcester 3.1
Univ. of Texas Health Science Center – Houston 3.4
56 Stony Brook University (NY) 2.9
Tulane University (LA) 3.2
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School 3.2
59 University of Connecticut 3
60 Va. Commonwealth U. – Medical Col. of Va. 3.4


Sorry the formatting is a bit off.

I'm wondering how much weight I should give these. If you assume that the most important way a school's reputation affects your future opportunities is in which residency you get (and from that, fellowship, attending position, etc), then this number is hugely important. Is that logic solid?

For example, if I'm choosing between University of Texas--Houston (I pick that one because I'm in state and it's on these rankings) and BU, which both have a 3.4, is there little advantage repuation-wise at BU? I would think BU would have a much better rep, but perhaps not... (Obviously there are other considerations to made, too.)

Are you sure these rankings are right? For example, you have wash U with 4.5 at number 2 Michigan with also a 4.5 at number 7. ?
 
The rankind he did corresponds to the US-News Ranking (research). The other number corresponds to the residency directors' scores.
 
The rankind he did corresponds to the US-News Ranking (research). The other number corresponds to the residency directors' scores.

Alright that makes sense.
 
I'm wondering how much weight I should give these. If you assume that the most important way a school's reputation affects your future opportunities is in which residency you get (and from that, fellowship, attending position, etc), then this number is hugely important. Is that logic solid?

For example, if I'm choosing between University of Texas--Houston (I pick that one because I'm in state and it's on these rankings) and BU, which both have a 3.4, is there little advantage repuation-wise at BU? I would think BU would have a much better rep, but perhaps not... (Obviously there are other considerations to made, too.)

I think out of the whole US News rankings, this is the most important part because your ultimate goal is to get the residency you want. And no, their methodology is not perfect so I would say the scores are probably +- .3 or .4 points.

But if two schools have the same average like BU and UT Houston, then they're on the same boat pretty much. SO you should just think about other factors like location, tuition, stuent body, and the gut feeling factor.
 
Could anybody tell me the residency director ranking for the following schools? (non-top 50 in research):


  • EVMS
  • Penn State
  • Temple
  • NJMS

Thanks!
 
Could anybody tell me the residency director ranking for the following schools? (non-top 50 in research):


  • EVMS
  • Penn State
  • Temple
  • NJMS

Thanks!

I think US News only does the top 60 research schools...
 
😕 I'm kinda confused by this because when I was at the UMich interview, they clearly said that they were ranked 3rd by residency directors....but then when I checked US News (as above) its something different.

Anyone know what accounts for the discrepancy or where Michigan is getting their numbers?
 
I suppose you could get away with saying....

1. Harvard
2. Duke/Hopkins
3. Stanford/UCSF
4. WashU/UMich

but that is a bit of a stretch
 
😕 I'm kinda confused by this because when I was at the UMich interview, they clearly said that they were ranked 3rd by residency directors....but then when I checked US News (as above) its something different.

Anyone know what accounts for the discrepancy or where Michigan is getting their numbers?

Anybody want to send the admissions office an email? 😉
 
😕 I'm kinda confused by this because when I was at the UMich interview, they clearly said that they were ranked 3rd by residency directors....but then when I checked US News (as above) its something different.

Anyone know what accounts for the discrepancy or where Michigan is getting their numbers?

Is it possible that they're using data from the previous year?
 
I think US News only does the top 60 research schools...

Ok, thanks for checking. I'm disappointed in US News though! A school could not be very good with research because they focus so much on clinical skills, and their students could really be loved by residency directors as a result...

I interviewed at Temple, and they really seemed to be pushing that idea about how prepared their students were for residency and how respected they were as a result. (It would've been nice to get some numerical confirmation of that though!)
 
You might also want to take a look at their methodology. I believe they had 28% of the residency directors return surveys. So not exatcly a definitive ranking . . .

Also note that there is a spread of different residency specialties represented -- so a given score will not reflect variations amongst specialty perceptions, it will average them. Eg. What good is it if the rads and gas director loved a particular school if it ends up you want to do ortho? Pretty meaningless -- even less useful than the research ranking.
 
If you want to find out what residency directors think of your school, it's often helpful to look at your school hospital system's ranking in your subspecialty of interest. That way you can find out what the reputation of your school's hospital is in your area.
 
If you want to find out what residency directors think of your school, it's often helpful to look at your school hospital system's ranking in your subspecialty of interest. That way you can find out what the reputation of your school's hospital is in your area.

how do we go about doing that?
 
I interviewed at Temple, and they really seemed to be pushing that idea about how prepared their students were for residency and how respected they were as a result. (It would've been nice to get some numerical confirmation of that though!)

I would put absolutely zero weight on this. I interviewed at 9 schools, and each one said some variation on the exact same thing. This statement is alot like the, "We do above average on the boards" statement. Just about every school claims to do above average on the boards :scratches head:
 
You could go by the research numbers in your field of interest, it correlates quite well to how respected a department is but isn't quite perfect.

http://grants.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medindp05.htm

Thanks - one question though. This only pertains to research, not clinical skills training, which is what I thought counts.

For instance - WashU apparently was highly ranked by residency directors in the USNews ranking, and it is obviously highly ranked for research. But in the primary care rank - it didn't even make the top 50 which is pretty bad, seeing as how our clinical education IS primary care and NOT research.
 
Thanks - one question though. This only pertains to research, not clinical skills training, which is what I thought counts.

For instance - WashU apparently was highly ranked by residency directors in the USNews ranking, and it is obviously highly ranked for research. But in the primary care rank - it didn't even make the top 50 which is pretty bad, seeing as how our clinical education IS primary care and NOT research.

Primary care ranking is in big part driven by the number of people who go into primary care and other things unrelated to "quality". Several osteo schools beat out Harvard, Wash U etc. on the primary care ranking. Hence few people in pre-allo put much weight in the primary care ranking list.
 
Thanks - one question though. This only pertains to research, not clinical skills training, which is what I thought counts.

For instance - WashU apparently was highly ranked by residency directors in the USNews ranking, and it is obviously highly ranked for research. But in the primary care rank - it didn't even make the top 50 which is pretty bad, seeing as how our clinical education IS primary care and NOT research.

As L2D pointed out, primary care ranking counts how many people enter primary care. Seeing as primary care are the least competitive of specialties it says nothing about the quality or reputation of the school. I'd actually be wary of a school that could only put people into primary care. The research rankings correlate with what people regard as "prestige."
 
Ok, thanks for checking. I'm disappointed in US News though! A school could not be very good with research because they focus so much on clinical skills, and their students could really be loved by residency directors as a result...

I interviewed at Temple, and they really seemed to be pushing that idea about how prepared their students were for residency and how respected they were as a result. (It would've been nice to get some numerical confirmation of that though!)

Temple's match results from last year are available here: http://www.temple.edu/medicine/education/student_affairs_match2006.htm

As a group, their students do respectably but not fantastically. It looks like a lot of them choose to stay at Temple affiliates or go elsewhere in Philadelphia.
 
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