Emergency Med- ACS Acute Coronary Syndrome

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Best ways to risk stratify young (<40) low risk patients presenting with CP for potential ACS r/o??

Any feedback would be immensely appreciated!
 
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I use TIMi risk score which is a prognostic indicator, not a diagnostic one.
 
Two sets and low TIMI gets to go home. With outpatient stress of course.
 
Just curious...

What are you guys considering a Low TIMI and what is the total 'post onset pain' and second troponin time frame you guys are shooting for?

Thanks!
 
0-2 is low.
As far as time, if you're going to use troponin, some argue 6 hours after pain started.
You could always go old school and order two sets of LDH or something if you're in a hurry.
Even a 2 hour delta is pushing the edge of sanity.
 
This is an interesting question. Last I looked at this there is no data supporting the use of 2,4, or 6 hour rule outs.

Did something change? I dc my low risk folks as well. Repeat EKG, Trop etc. I aim for 4-6 hours after onset of symptoms. I know some guys who do the 2 hour deal.. not my thing.
 
Good discussion, I've been out several years and still am not sure what to do with these people. I have seen MIs in 20-30 year olds although I realize those are the exceptions the tolerance for missing an MI is 0.0% unfortunately.

If I think the story is junk and they have no RF I don't even give them a cardiac w/u. I don't want someone to come back and say well you had enough suspicion to get one set of enzymes? If the onset is greater than 6 hours and they have some RF (smoking, over 40 etc) I'll just get one set, but multiple EKGs in the ER and close outpt f/u.

The majority of CPers I see come in less than 6-8 hours after pain and I get two sets of enzymes with the 2nd one being greater than 8 hours after CP onset.

I have in the past done 2hr delta and the data seems good, but I don't think it has reached the level of being acceptable and don't do it anymore. Francis Fesmire, Erlanger and Judd Hollander have some good articles on the low risk CP RO. Seems like cardiac CT might be useful. Ironic how we get "too many CTs" but the answer to discovering pathology often times is to CT. Sigh.
 
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