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I'm doing retail pharmacy right now and it kind of gets redundant day in and day out. I just want something else in my work life to mix it up. I am toying with the idea of going back to get my RN (only 2 years) and then working maybe 32 hours/week as a pharmacist and 8 as a nurse. Any thoughts?
 
I'm doing retail pharmacy right now and it kind of gets redundant day in and day out. I just want something else in my work life to mix it up. I am toying with the idea of going back to get my RN (only 2 years) and then working maybe 32 hours/week as a pharmacist and 8 as a nurse. Any thoughts?

Have you pursued other avenues as a Pharmacist....?
 
I'm not sure 2 additional years of school is worth 8 h/wk as an RN
 
i would suggest doing some other pharmacy avenue on the side....or even going back and doing a residency. although their salary is increasing, i dont see the point of going back to work 8 hours as a nurse and they dont even pay as much.
 
Nursing can be redundant/routine-like as well. Any jobs will be at one point. How about residency/grad schools?
 
I'm doing retail pharmacy right now and it kind of gets redundant day in and day out. I just want something else in my work life to mix it up. I am toying with the idea of going back to get my RN (only 2 years) and then working maybe 32 hours/week as a pharmacist and 8 as a nurse. Any thoughts?

I used to be an RN, and now I am about to graduate from pharmacy school in half a year. Personally, I think nursing is the worst profession ever. Not in terms of how much u help people, but in terms of how much mental crap u have to put up with. Why don't u shadow a nurse for a day or two. Maybe that would change your mind.
 
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I used to be an RN, and now I am about to graduate from pharmacy school in half a year. Personally, I think nursing is the worst profession ever. Not in terms of how much u help people, but in terms of how much mental crap u have to put up with. Why don't u shadow a nurse for a day or two. Maybe that would change your mind.


I guess I just miss the healthcare team setting. As a retail pharmacist I hardly ever get to work with my peers except for the 1 hour overlap. Hospital pharmacy was alright for me, but I'm not sure if I would want to do it or even if I would get hired anywhere since I have mostly been in retail since I graduated last year. I don't want to do a residency.

As a retail pharmacist all I encounter everyday are "patients"(customers who think pharmacy is like fast food), pharmacy technicians and nurses and doctors (via the phone/fax). Nurses work with each other all the time, as well as come into contact with patients, doctors, pharmacists, dietitians, nurse assistants, social workers, chaplains, lab people, diagnostic imaging people and even janitors everyday. Even though they don't get paid as much as pharmacists and their job is stressful, their day seems a lot more interesting than mine. :laugh:

Some other pros:
- I could probably get my tuition reimbursed
- I would pretty much NEVER have trouble finding a job even if pharmacy goes down the crapper (It seems like all the pharmacies around here are cutting hours. From people that I've talked to they say it gets worse every year. One of my classmates is considering getting a second job because the retail pharmacy she works at only gives her 30hrs/week)
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What do you guy's mean by other pharmacy avenue's on the side?
 
I'm doing retail pharmacy right now and it kind of gets redundant day in and day out. I just want something else in my work life to mix it up. I am toying with the idea of going back to get my RN (only 2 years) and then working maybe 32 hours/week as a pharmacist and 8 as a nurse. Any thoughts?

dumbest idea i ever heard...u should work in a hospital , on the floor in ICU unit for 2 weeks, then come back and tell us if u still wanna be an RN. If you want an interesting job, become a writer, a photographer, a musician...not being a nurse, or Pharm.D, MD...those are just "jobs".
 
Instead of spending 2 years on nursing school, I would spend it on PA school. They even offer Pharm.D/PA at the univeristy of washington. Its a 5 years progarm.
 
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dumbest idea i ever heard...u should work in a hospital , on the floor in ICU unit for 2 weeks, then come back and tell us if u still wanna be an RN. If you want an interesting job, become a writer, a photographer, a musician...not being a nurse, or Pharm.D, MD...those are just "jobs".

The only dumb comment I can think of at the moment is your DUMB reply. You could either reply with "in my opinion" or something of the sort. But you chose the low road. You people never stop to amaze me. What has become of SDN?

OP, I would highly consider doing a residency since you are willing to go back to school anyways for nursing. A residency, in my opinion, would offer excellent opportunities to interact with your peers. Bearing mediocre grades, I intend to become a clinical pharmacist. Clinical Pharmacy

I hope your future decision will resolve your professional goals.

Cheers.
 
The only dumb comment I can think of at the moment is your DUMB reply. You could either reply with "in my opinion" or something of the sort. But you chose the low road. You people never stop to amaze me. What has become of SDN?

OP, I would highly consider doing a residency since you are willing to go back to school anyways for nursing. A residency, in my opinion, would offer excellent opportunities to interact with your peers. Bearing mediocre grades, I intend to become a clinical pharmacist. Clinical Pharmacy

I hope your future decision will resolve your professional goals.

Cheers.


Another dumb answer...what do u know about clinical pharmacy? Wait until u get in pharm school (if not yet), get the Pharm.D, pass your state board exam, get a job in practice, working on the floor as a clinical pharmacist (hopefully you can land such job after your residency) and then come back and talk to me....then we can discuss about clinical pharmacy. Too many people have the illusions of being a clinical pharmacist (without knowing what they will be getting themselves into....) will be the "coolest" idea ever....and that you're more superior than the other peers in pharmacy profession. If everyone this same thought, then who's gonna dispense the prescription? The main role of a pharmacist, regardless, is still involving with "dispensing" model.

And if you're already in pharm school, wait until u get out, practice in the profession , you would understand what i am trying to tell you now....the reality is a lot uglier than whatever school is teaching you. The ideal of clinical pharmacy is "ideal". Wait until you are on the floor, walking around with your PDA, then the nurse stops you and asks, "Where is my colace? What does it take 5 hours for you to bring up here?" That will destroy your fantasy of clinical pharmacy, get it?
 
, "Where is my colace? What does it take 5 hours for you to bring up here?" That will destroy your fantasy of clinical pharmacy, get it?

Great advice. Are nurses that mean to pharmacists? We rarely write pharmacist up for mistakes. I only time I witnessed is when there were significant delay in IV calcium gluconate for electrolyte replacement.

Even if they are rude, would the pharmacy director would take nurses' complaints seriously? We are just co-workers, not customers in retail setting. At least, their dissatisfactions doesn't affect customer service score (which is what administrator really care about) like in bedside nursing.
 
Every profession has some good ones and some bad ones. I don't know why, this is my opinion, but there are so many bad nurses out there. I don't even know how they graduated. Sometimes they'd call down and say, "I ordered blah blah 2 hours ago", then you look at the computer screen and it shows that they ordered it right before they called down. I don't even know why they do that. Do they think we're stupid or something? Why can't they just say, "i'm sorry I forgot, but I need it now".

To OP: I think a lot of it has to do with you not having your own store. It sucks to have to go to a different store every day. Maybe you can look for a job at a different company?
 
Another dumb answer...what do u know about clinical pharmacy?

I guess you are telling me to abandon pharmacy all together and somehow I'm disillusioned about pharmacy. And whoever claimed that clinical pharmacists were superior? Wow. How did you pass your pharmacy exams? You can't seem to read simple sentences before blowing steam.

I have a few questions for your lethargic soul:

1) Why did you join pharmacy and not medicine?

2) What did you know about pharmacy before you joined?

3) I'm guessing you researched the field before you joined, right?
4) Were you not disillusioned before you applied to pharmacy school?


A bit of wisdom for you: no career is perfect. Many physicians at some point look to switch career. Ask Sobegekko. He was in his third year of residency and he switched to pharmacy. Wow, I wonder what his fellow doctors told him. Let me guess: "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard." 🙄

But he chose his passion for pharmacy and today he is at Minnesota school of pharmacy and scored a 99%tile on the PCAT. You are arrogant and you've just about ruined this thread. I have nothing else to say to you.

And exactly what was your advice to the OP?
 
I'm doing retail pharmacy right now and it kind of gets redundant day in and day out. I just want something else in my work life to mix it up. I am toying with the idea of going back to get my RN (only 2 years) and then working maybe 32 hours/week as a pharmacist and 8 as a nurse. Any thoughts?

Have you thought about consulting a few hours a week? It's a nice way to get out, do some chart reviews, therapeutic interventions, see people....and keep your retail job. I have been told you need lots of experience by consulting pharmacists who felt a need to feel special I guess, cause I did one consulting rotation and was offered a job while I was a student back in.....May.
It might be worth looking into before more school. Good luck.
 
I guess you are telling me to abandon pharmacy all together and somehow I'm disillusioned about pharmacy. And whoever claimed that clinical pharmacists were superior? Wow. How did you pass your pharmacy exams? You can't seem to read simple sentences before blowing steam.

I have a few questions for your lethargic soul:

1) Why did you join pharmacy and not medicine?

2) What did you know about pharmacy before you joined?

3) I'm guessing you researched the field before you joined, right?
4) Were you not disillusioned before you applied to pharmacy school?


A bit of wisdom for you: no career is perfect. Many physicians at some point look to switch career. Ask Sobegekko. He was in his third year of residency and he switched to pharmacy. Wow, I wonder what his fellow doctors told him. Let me guess: "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard." 🙄

But he chose his passion for pharmacy and today he is at Minnesota school of pharmacy and scored a 99%tile on the PCAT. You are arrogant and you've just about ruined this thread. I have nothing else to say to you.

And exactly what was your advice to the OP?



1) Why did you join pharmacy and not medicine?

Because

.... i don't want to touch/smell old/ugly/naked patients.
.....i don't want to smell urine/poop in patient's room or across the nursing units
....i don't want to see a patient dying and i cannot do anything about it ...except for saying sorry
....i understand that being a medical doctor cannot save life 100%, reality is if you a doctor and if you make your patient live another day: that's already a good accomplisment..otay? wake up and smell the reality
....i don't wanna deal with paper work/reimbursement not relating to medicine
....i don't want to spend years of residency while my friends making 120 K/year and on a beach, or at a cruise....
....i hate being on call...hate it....
and many more.....
2) What did you know about pharmacy before you joined?

I know that i would make a bank right after school....and that i play a key role in controling which med is out/in....what can be ordered or not...

I know that i will have a life....

I did ,once , think about going to med school to try out something new....but because of 1) keeps me alive as a pharmacist.

3) I'm guessing you researched the field before you joined, right?
Wrong....guess again....

4) Were you not disillusioned before you applied to pharmacy school

Well...compared to now? hm...i was naive.
 
Dear SDNer,

You are one angry pharmacist :laugh:

You seem to have so much to learn. Enjoy your youth while you can. One day you may be terminally ill and/or you may get old. You or your loved ones may have to depend on the other professions you belittle. Do yourself a favor and Just stay healthy.

Perhaps you may heed to Voltaire's advice: the longer you dwell on your misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm you. Good luck with your career. Lighten up will you...
 
1) Why did you join pharmacy and not medicine?

Because

.... i don't want to touch/smell old/ugly/naked patients.
.....i don't want to smell urine/poop in patient's room or across the nursing units
....i don't want to see a patient dying and i cannot do anything about it ...except for saying sorry
....i understand that being a medical doctor cannot save life 100%, reality is if you a doctor and if you make your patient live another day: that's already a good accomplisment..otay? wake up and smell the reality
....i don't wanna deal with paper work/reimbursement not relating to medicine
....i don't want to spend years of residency while my friends making 120 K/year and on a beach, or at a cruise....
....i hate being on call...hate it....
and many more.....
2) What did you know about pharmacy before you joined?

I know that i would make a bank right after school....and that i play a key role in controling which med is out/in....what can be ordered or not...

I know that i will have a life....

I did ,once , think about going to med school to try out something new....but because of 1) keeps me alive as a pharmacist.

3) I'm guessing you researched the field before you joined, right?
Wrong....guess again....

4) Were you not disillusioned before you applied to pharmacy school

Well...compared to now? hm...i was naive.

The one thing that annoys me besides people who prositute pharmacy are people who prositute themselves to pharmacy.
 
The one thing that annoys me besides people who prositute pharmacy are people who prositute themselves to pharmacy.

Kid, wait until you grad and work as a pharmacist , then we can talk....right now, you and me are not even at the same level...or in another words, you are not in my position now, however, i once was in your position eye-wide opening to hear lectures from professors about how wonderful the profession/clinical pharmacy will offer.

If anyone in here would like to know how the pharmacy reality is...closely read this blog:

http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/
http://www.theangriestpharmacist.com

To the OP : are you willing to cleen poop? vomit? are you willing to be looked down by the doctors, even your peer pharmacists? Say yes to all of the above questions then yeah, go back get your RN.
 
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Lets drop the argument guys, this could go round and round until someone takes it too far.
 
Lets drop the argument guys, this could go round and round until someone takes it too far.

Thank you for your insight. It is clear though he is blowing steam against anyone who dares to suggest an alternative to retail-- alternatives that exist. You have dgroulx who is a happy retail pharmacist; you have Sdn1977 who has done both hospital or retail and is currently happy doing the latter; you have SpirivaSunrise who is a nuclear pharmacist who considered migrating to a new field of pharmacy and wrote a great article about nuclear pharmacy; you have sobegekko who was a resident MD and switched back to pharmacy. I can go on. I hope people who peruse this thread will glean that most of us tried to give some advice as best we could without belittling the OP who is a pharmacist. Again, thx.
 
I think what rxforlife2004 is trying to say is that "clinical pharmacy" in the hospital is not the be all and end all of pharmacy practice. Students shouldn't expect it to be some great position where it will be the answer to all of their frustrations.

I'm just a lowly retail pharmacist but truly enjoy my job. There are more clinical opportunities now that I've taken advantage of in retail -- medication therapy management for which I get reimbursed through Humana Part D, flu vaccations, and soon Zostavax and Pneumovax injections in my state. Even though there never seems to be enough time, I try to counsel as many patients as I can and take advantage of my company's "We Care" program where we followup on how they're doing via phone for which the patients are always grateful to receive. Taking blood pressure to see how they're doing on their medications, especially when they lost insurance coverage or get started on new medications. The list could go on with all the possibilities depending on how you choose to practice pharmacy in your retail setting. I often feel like make a difference in my patients' lives.

When I was a student, I loved rounding with medical teams in the hospital and strongly considered doing residency. However, it was disappointing sometimes to realize that even if the clinical pharmacist didn't show up, the team didn't really miss not having them -- unlike in a community pharmacy where the show can't go on without you.
 
Thank you for your insight. It is clear though he is blowing steam against anyone who dares to suggest an alternative to retail-- alternatives that exist. You have dgroulx who is a happy retail pharmacist; you have Sdn1977 who has done both hospital or retail and is currently happy doing the latter; you have SpirivaSunrise who is a nuclear pharmacist who considered migrating to a new field of pharmacy and wrote a great article about nuclear pharmacy; you have sobegekko who was a resident MD and switched back to pharmacy. I can go on. I hope people who peruse this thread will glean that most of us tried to give some advice as best we could without belittling the OP who is a pharmacist. Again, thx.

Yo,

I never intend to belittle any profession nor anyone, gatorade dude/dudee. I'll make a long reply here so bear with me if i make any spelling/verb-tense disagreement, okay everyone? .Everyone has a role in the society. I did not appreciate the janitor's job until the toilet in pharmacy was piled up with the toilet papers and urine across the toilet seat. Can i clean them up? Sure, i could...i do that all the time at home, but i am too busy with my job. I also never want to belittle nursing...in fact, i know they're the one that take the most **** of all the healthcare team.

To the OP If you really wanna do nursing (even if per diem), here are some scenarios (realistically) that yo wanna take a look at, aite?

-Imagine one day you are assigned 4 patients at the same time...on medsurge, each one of them has at least 10 meds (schedule), and tons of PRN meds...one of them is in psychotic/panic mode screaming and yelling, one of them will not allow you to give a subQ med, one of them keeps complaing of being thirsty.
-Imagine one day you work 12 hours shift, you are about to go home, one more hour left...there is a new admission and u cannot say no....
- Imagine one day you work, all the meds in the cassesste of a patient for some reason empty. You call down the pharmacy, they said they sent them already. You know you've been f*ck by the other nurse who transfer the patient from floor and forgot (purposely probably due to laziness!!!) to bring the meds from the cassesste. You cannot go down pharmacy since it's at the basement and your patient is critical ill--cannot leave bedside.
-Imagine one day you work, 3-4 patients assgined...No CNA available due to calls of sickness or whatever reasons...patients pooped on the bedside, wanna go take showers, pee...
- Imagine one day you work, one of your patient has BP raised up to 170mmHg, the MD comes in and gets pissed, then says, "Pt has the anti-hypertensive med daily...why didn't you call me to resume it?"
- Imagine one day you work, the family member comes in, on your left hand is an Epogen neddle, on your right hand is the MAR sheet, the family member raises voice like this, "Can you take her a glass of water now? she's been thirsty since morning...you guys don't even care?" while across the hallway, the secretary nurse is paging, "X, please return to station...Dr Y is on the line for you STAT!". On the other line, the pharmacist is also on hold for you for the clarification of an order from another MD for another patient that you are assigned for.

-Imagine one day, on the floor is crazy madness with a lot of patients, you are holding a chart of your patient, writing down vital signs, blood pressures , then the MD shows up and says this, " I need that chart NOW, please!" Nice huh? As soon as he's done...you're back to your documentation, then the pharmacist appears and says "Can i have that chart now? I have to dose a Cubicin really quick please". I forgot to mention about RT, Dietary, etc...

- Imagine one busy day, you are at your break...getting paged back to nursing station. Pharmacist on the line, "Pt is allergic to Azithromycin, why Dr. So and So wrote for Clarithromycin? I paged him twice and no responses. Can you page him for me?" And you
remember you ran into one of this situation before with the same MD and when u paged him in the past , you got yelled at for questionting and blamed for "delay of treatment". Now if you don't page him, pt won't get med or correct med. If you do, you know you'll be yelled at when he returns the call.

- Imagine one day you are assigned to a patient whose BP all of sudden drops so badly, you call the MD, he is a new grad internist and ordered Levophed drip ..and you knew it won't do much for this type of patient, but dare not to challenge him since he's an MD. 2 hrs later, pt's BP does not response well either...still at the same...You call the MD again, and he says to continue that drip again with the double concentration, and inside your head...as an experienced nurse/pharmacist, you already know this won't work but you won't dare to suggest him the Neosynephrine drip since he has a history of yelling nurses for poor recommendations from the past...U just cannot do anything for ur patient....sad huh?

In summary, a job is a job. The jobs that i think i would be enjoying doing would be writing, sketching, playing music or drinking beer (does drinking beer makes a living?). I personally do not hate my job or love my job either. I am okay with it...which means i am okay to wake up in the morning, show up at work, do a good job then go home waiting for my paycheck. Do I save life? Maybe or maybe not. Who knows? I am just doing my job as a pharmacist: making sure med is delievered to patient in a correct/safe/effective manner. I can brag all day long about how many times that i have called MDs to change this to that, or to d/c this/that or else pt can be harmful.

As of the clinical pharmacy....Hm...I'm actually doing it now. After being a staff and doing clinical too...this is how i feel " I don't really care if it is clinical or not...as long as the hours are good, as long as i don't have to do grave yard. I am happy with it". The idea of clinical pharmacy is excellent: that is you are given a patient with a diagnosed condition, now you take care of drug regimen. But in reality, it is far from that. Yes, you still have a chance to do PK, TPN, Anticoagulation, etc...but everything you do, you still have to response to the MD. How many of you in here , as a clinical pharmacists, happen to be in this situation: You make a round for a PK order, write in the progress note, you calculate the dose, estimate for trough/peak, etc...and write in Physician's order (total everything is 30 mins approx), then u call down the pharmacy , have them make it and send up on the floor. Two hours later, you find out another MD wanna D/C it. Pissed off huh? But hey, it's all good.
 
:clap: Good post. Rxforlife2004. I appreciate that your insightful comments about nursing and know what we are going through each day. Did you shadow nurses on the floor? 🙂 I just wonder how you can write some convincing scenerios. 🙂 It is good that we now have lots of mid-level practitioners (PA, NP) who are not condescending like some MDs.
 
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All I can say is good luck. I am an ICU RN currently attending Pharm school. Here's a day in my life

Usually I get 1 unstable pt. and another stable one.The unstable one is hanging on a thread. I try and titrate the Dopamine drip from 10mcgs to 9mcgs, the BP drops by >10mmHg. Meanwhile I have to keep all the other drips running-Levo and or Vaso, Ativan to keep them down!, May be Dobutamine- you see where I am going.

In between there is the regular medications, Q4 hrs H& H because alas I am giving Blood and platelets around the clock. Besides, there is the ADLS!!!**** ADLS!!!! I have to turn the patient every 2 hours and if on a bad day they are having diarrhea 24-7. Oh the flexi seal is not holding so the poop is all over and I have to change the Linen every so often.

In the meantime the doc's are rounding and since the patient has decreased neuro response even with sedation vacation, alas I have to go for STAT CT scan. I get the resp guy,get the portable Vent, carry emergency epi in my pocket cuz you know the guy is sick. PLease do not forget the drips come in tow on the pumps-you dig this right?

On the hallway I meet with the dear family and they start crying and asking what's going on, where are you going with him. Is he coming back and when can we see him? HIPAA is still in place and I cannot really discuss pts on the hallway...so family gets pissed and I tell them will be back and will call them back into the room once we get him settled etc etc...


In all this drama I have not mentioned MY OTHER PATIENT....that's right I do have another patient who is also on 1 or 2 drips.... oh and one more thing. I am yet to do any documentation. In nursing, your life lies on the word of your documentation. If you didnt document you did not do it. Good luck my friend, good luck. Be careful not to fall from the pot to the fire itself.

summary - Doctors, Pts, 2 sets of family, Peers, The pharmacist whom I tell I need the Ativan drip STAT and he takes it upon himself not to relay the message.


Going into Nursing is one of the worst things you can do. You will even stress your immediate family.You'd rather take a course as a Diabetic educator in addition to your Pharm D or summ then get a PRN job somewhere in a hospital, work in a flu or vaccine clinic etc whatever you do but stay away from nursing. Reality is there's no Nursing shortage. There's plenty of nurses but majority work PRN or part time due to high burn out rate....
 
dumbest idea i ever heard...u should work in a hospital , on the floor in ICU unit for 2 weeks, then come back and tell us if u still wanna be an RN. If you want an interesting job, become a writer, a photographer, a musician...not being a nurse, or Pharm.D, MD...those are just "jobs".

Interesting is in the eye of the beholder. I had a 'past life' as an architectural designer, and I'd much rather be in health care. To each their own.
 
There's plenty of nurses but majority work PRN or part time due to high burn out rate....

I agree.. I am working on Cardiac Tele. Maybe like 1 out of 8 nurses on my unit are satisfied with the job. Most of them stay in nursing because they have family to feed. ICU also sucks. Night shift may be a bit better because family can not visit...they can still call Thanks for convincing me not to go back to ICU and try out CRNA route. I can't stand another year of ICU... So no luck of $120,000 after graduation..
 
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