3.8 GPA,3.8 sc GPA, 19AA 21PAT.. what are my chances?? Please feedback..

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.Hey guys,
I was wondering what would be my chances to get into one of the listed schools below. I graduated last spring 2010 with a microbiology degree from the university of Oklahoma ( 3.8 GPA both overall and science) and a 19 AA 21 PAT !! I am currently volunteering as a dental assistant for a low cost clinic ( have about 45 hours so far and still with them !!), and I have about 120 hrs of shadowing with General Dentists, around 500 hours of extracurricular activities in and outside of school !! I'm submitting my AADSAS tomorrow!!
Also I’m studying for the DAT to re-take it for an improved score in September 1st (Is it too late to send a new score???) BTW I'm a Re-applicant for my in state dental school (University of Oklahoma), of course it is my #1 pick!!

Midwestern University (MWU)
Arizona School of Dentistry and Oral Health (AZ)
Western University of Health Sciences (WESTU)
Nova Southeastern University (NSU)
University of Louisville (UL)
University of Detroit Mercy (UDM)
Creighton University (CRE)
New York University (NYU)
Case School of Dental Medicine(CWR)
University of Oklahoma (OKL)
University of Pittsburgh (PITT)
Marquette University (MQT)

thanks in an advance for the feedback 🙂.
 
Why are you planning to re-take the DAT? Sounds like all you need are interviewing skills....how are those doing?
 
i think if you hurry up and submit the damned thing, you have a really good chance of getting interviews from most of these schools, good luck
 
You are a re-applicant? Well I don't think that your gpa or DAT is your problem. You must have interviewed last year (unless you submitted in Jan.) Do you lack social skills, posting a thread like this leads me to believe so. I'll also point out that it seems you have no excuse to have not submitted on day 1, so there is another mistake.
 
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You sound like Elaine from Seinfeld with all the exclamation marks.......
 
You have good stats. I wonder why you didn't get accepted last cycle. My only suggestion is to work on your interview (verbal skills and overall presentation.
 
minotaur9 said:
Why are you planning to re-take the DAT? Sounds like all you need are interviewing skills....how are those doing?
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I wanna take the DAT just to be on the safe side this year because i feel like i can bring up a point or two.

My interview skills are good. After I was rejected I went and talked to the dean of admissions, and he told me that my interview was rated as a B+, which is not that bad. He told that if I had an extra point on my DAT, I would have been accepted. He also mentioned that I needed to work or volunteer as a dental assistant to be a stronger candidate!!

last year I only applied to my in state school and it was my only interview, thinking that I was in 🙁..
 
thanks for the feedback guys and hopefully it will work out for me this cycle 🙂

sfrice80 said:
You sound like Elaine from Seinfeld with all the exclamation marks.......
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thanks that was very helpful 👎
 
sfrice80 said:
You sound like Elaine from Seinfeld with all the exclamation marks.......
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I wish there was a "post of the day" option here; you would have gotten my vote!

To the OP: It's hard to imagine that someone with such a stellar GPA and solid DAT scores didn't get into dental school. In the last year were you able to identify what your application was lacking (and make improvements)? Did you apply to an insufficient number of schools, or to schools that were unlikely to accept you due to residency, etc? I can't really say what your chances are. I can only say that based on your stats, something else was lacking the last time that you applied, and if you have corrected or improved sufficiently in this area, then you have excellent chances.
 
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SuperTank said:
I wish there was a "post of the day" option here; you would have gotten my vote!

To the OP: It's hard to imagine that someone with such a stellar GPA and solid DAT scores didn't get into dental school. In the last year were you able to identify what your application was lacking (and make improvements)? Did you apply to an insufficient number of schools, or to schools that were unlikely to accept you due to residency, etc? I can't really say what your chances are. I can only say that based on your stats, something else was lacking the last time that you applied, and if you have corrected or improved sufficiently in this area, then you have excellent chances.
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Yea, they thought I lacked hands on experience, and I only applied to my in state school "Oklahoma" having the confident that I was gonna get in 🙄.

This year I'm applying to many schools + dental assisting + trying to get a better DAT .
 
yss88 said:
Yea, they thought I lacked hands on experience, and I only applied to my in state school "Oklahoma" having the confident that I was gonna get in 🙄.

This year I'm applying to many schools + dental assisting + trying to get a better DAT .
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There it is. You should get in this year, don't worry so much.
 
Your DAT and gpa scores are out of sync.
 
doc toothache said:
Your DAT and gpa scores are out of sync.
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Does this send up some sort of red flag for adcoms? Would they be more pleased to more likely to interview (or accept) someone with similar DAT scores, but a lower GPA?
 
SuperTank said:
Does this send up some sort of red flag for adcoms? Would they be more pleased to more likely to interview (or accept) someone with similar DAT scores, but a lower GPA?
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It could be either a case of grade inflation or nonchalance with the DAT or, in the worst case scenario, a case of attitude.
 
you increased your odds this time. i think you'll get in somewhere with those stats. i would say a retake is unnecessary at the moment. just submit the dang thing!
 
yss88 said:
I wanna take the DAT just to be on the safe side this year because i feel like i can bring up a point or two.

My interview skills are good. After I was rejected I went and talked to the dean of admissions, and he told me that my interview was rated as a B+, which is not that bad. He told that if I had an extra point on my DAT, I would have been accepted. He also mentioned that I needed to work or volunteer as a dental assistant to be a stronger candidate!!

last year I only applied to my in state school and it was my only interview, thinking that I was in 🙁..
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Help me understand your logic, please.

1. You found out last year that your DAT score was a bit too low for your target school.

2. You're applying again this cycle with Oklahoma still as your #1 choice.

3. You haven't taken the DAT again, but plan to do so in a couple of months.

I don't understand why you haven't already retaken the DAT. This seems like very poor planning on your part, unless I'm missing something?
 
8 SNAKE said:
Help me understand your logic, please.

1. You found out last year that your DAT score was a bit too low for your target school.

2. You're applying again this cycle with Oklahoma still as your #1 choice.

3. You haven't taken the DAT again, but plan to do so in a couple of months.

I don't understand why you haven't already retaken the DAT. This seems like very poor planning on your part, unless I'm missing something?
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First of all I found out about the decision last February and I was enrolled in 19 hours for the spring to complete my microbiology degree. I finished June 1, and I started to study for the DAT a couple of weeks later, and since I have a good score that will at least get me some interviews, I don't wanna rush taking the other DAT. I can just update my profile for all the schools.so I'm taking it in a month and a half.
 
ampedup said:
you increased your odds this time. I think you'll get in somewhere with those stats. I would say a retake is unnecessary at the moment. Just submit the dang thing!
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submitted. Wohooo 🙂
 
doc toothache said:
Your DAT and gpa scores are out of sync.
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I know an AA of 19 is not the best DAT score but it is still a very good score + a 21 in PAT, So don't try to say that i did not deserve my GPA !!
 
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SuperTank said:
Does this send up some sort of red flag for adcoms? Would they be more pleased to more likely to interview (or accept) someone with similar DAT scores, but a lower GPA?
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I like this messed up logic 😀 !!
 
yss88 said:
I know an AA of 19 is not the best DAT score but it is still a very good score + a 21 in PAT, So don't try to say that i did not deserve my GPA !!
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Depends, what kind of 19 is it?

Is it a 19 20 21 18 19 type of score?

Or is it a 19 17 17 24 17 type of score.
 
yss88 said:
I know an AA of 19 is not the best DAT score but it is still a very good score + a 21 in PAT, So don't try to say that i did not deserve my GPA !!
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You can pat yourself on the back all you want. It is not like a PA score substantiates the gpa. Ultimately, the opinions expressed on SDN are absolutely and totally meaningless, but the fact that you were told about the extra point on the DAT should have made it clear to you that you were simply told that there was some doubt about the correlation of your gpa and dat scores.

yss88 said:
My interview skills are good. After I was rejected I went and talked to the dean of admissions, and he told me that my interview was rated as a B+, which is not that bad. He told that if I had an extra point on my DAT, I would have been accepted. He also mentioned that I needed to work or volunteer as a dental assistant to be a stronger candidate!!
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yss88 said:
I know an AA of 19 is not the best DAT score but it is still a very good score + a 21 in PAT, So don't try to say that i did not deserve my GPA !!
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lol...i've heard some schools inflate their marks, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and just consider your DAT day as being a bad day.

a 19 AA is 80 something percentile I believe? Yet your GPA is obviously in the 90+ percentile.
 
iamgosu said:
lol...i've heard some schools inflate their marks, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and just consider your DAT day as being a bad day.

a 19 AA is 80 something percentile I believe? Yet your GPA is obviously in the 90+ percentile.
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Everybody here is talking about my low DAT and I mentioned that It was not good enough and I'm not fully satisfied with it. That's why I am RETAKING !!

my main reason of posting this thread was to have your opinions on my chances to the listed schools with my current stats, that's all !! when I get a new score that's a different ball game..
 
yss88 said:
Everybody here is talking about my low DAT and I mentioned that It was not good enough and I'm not fully satisfied with it. That's why I am RETAKING !!my main reason of posting this thread was to have your opinions on my chances to the listed schools with my current stats, that's all !! when I get a new score that's a different ball game..
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Indeed it may be.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=400209
 
yss88 said:
Everybody here is talking about my low DAT and I mentioned that It was not good enough and I'm not fully satisfied with it. That's why I am RETAKING !!

my main reason of posting this thread was to have your opinions on my chances to the listed schools with my current stats, that's all !! when I get a new score that's a different ball game..
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I hate the exclamation marks I feel like you're yelling at me.🙁
So for that my opinion is that there is absolutely no way that you will be getting into dental school and I don't know why you would even consider reapplying..........jk or do you like this answer?
You are so amazing I wish that I did half as well as you did there is a 100% chance that you get into every one of those schools you applied to, and you might even get into schools you didn't apply to because word will get around of how good you are.
Should I be more realistic? there is a 68.7984532% chance you get in with your current stats to those specific schools.
Why are you asking us? We're rookies and 1st timers you're supposed to be the expert since you've applied before.
 
threeblindmice said:
I hate the exclamation marks I feel like you're yelling at me.🙁
So for that my opinion is that there is absolutely no way that you will be getting into dental school and I don't know why you would even consider reapplying..........jk or do you like this answer?
You are so amazing I wish that I did half as well as you did there is a 100% chance that you get into every one of those schools you applied to, and you might even get into schools you didn't apply to because word will get around of how good you are.
Should I be more realistic? there is a 68.7984532% chance you get in with your current stats to those specific schools.
Why are you asking us? We're rookies and 1st timers you're supposed to be the expert since you've applied before.
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Which one of beautiful guesses should I go with :claps:..

If you consider yourself a rookie, please don't hurt yourself trying to post some nonsense. keep it to yourself..
 
Since you are retaking the DAT and don't want people commenting about that, you want us to base your school decisions on GPA alone? Deciding your chances based solely on GPA is a completely stupid question since you know as well as anybody that there is more to an applicant than that. So I gave you a stupid answer that I guess didn't completely convey to you how stupid your original question is. So I'll be more clear in my response......you shot down the interview suggestion, and the DAT suggestion, so what do you want us to judge you on so that we can even tell you your chances?
 
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threeblindmice said:
Since you are retaking the DAT and don't want people commenting about that, you want us to base your school decisions on GPA alone? Deciding your chances based solely on GPA is a completely stupid question since you know as well as anybody that there is more to an applicant than that. So I gave you a stupid answer that I guess didn't completely convey to you how stupid your original question is. So I'll be more clear in my response......you shot down the interview suggestion, and the DAT suggestion, so what do you want us to judge you on so that we can even tell you your chances?
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As I said before my current stats, if you don't think they are good enough just tell me " you have no chance until you get a new score, or you have whatever chance, its that simple. You don't have to start fooling around with me. At least have some respect, even if you think I'm wrong or whatever .
 
yss88 said:
You don't have to start fooling around with me. At least have some respect, even if you think I'm wrong or whatever .
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The audacity that you have to create a thread in which you have a stellar GPA and decent DAT and with the emphasis of a thousand exclamation marks ask for "please help" and then question why people have begun mocking you is on another level.

But not only was expecting actual, accurate analysis of your "chances" a mistake but even more so, having had from the previous cycle not fixed the very problem your supposed interviewer told you to address.

You have thankfully applied to more schools this cycle....but I wouldn't expect that state school of yours to look at your application with much interest, since again your DAT remains the same.

On a personal note you seem to have taken the criticism unfavorably, but what has been said is not even a fraction of how harsh this site can be. Grow some skin and learn a little humility.
 
but the fact that you were told about the extra point on the DAT should have made it clear to you that you were simply told that there was some doubt about the correlation of your gpa and dat scores
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No, that's really not what they were getting at here... but good try doc.

OU uses a points system to rate their candidates, (1 point for a 17, 2 for an 18, capping out at 5 for a 21). The total points is based out of 20 (so there is also a gpa rating, extracurriculars/experience rating, and an interview rating), and the DAT is the easiest way to raise that overall score. So if the Dean of Admissions said he thinks he needs to raise his/her DAT 1 point to get in, then that means that "1 point" will jump him above quite a few applicants (as far as the points system is concerned).
 
srb711 said:
No, that's really not what they were getting at here... but good try doc.

OU uses a points system to rate their candidates, (1 point for a 17, 2 for an 18, capping out at 5 for a 21). The total points is based out of 20 (so there is also a gpa rating, extracurriculars/experience rating, and an interview rating), and the DAT is the easiest way to raise that overall score. So if the Dean of Admissions said he thinks he needs to raise his/her DAT 1 point to get in, then that means that "1 point" will jump him above quite a few applicants (as far as the points system is concerned).
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That's right. That's why its easier to start with the DAT to earn a point or two and be on the safe side.👍
 
yss88 said:
That's right. That's why its easier to start with the DAT to earn a point or two and be on the safe side.👍
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Be careful not to get a lower score, because they only count on the latest DAT score. hahaha...good luck!
 
To answer your question: You have a good chance at getting in to dental school with a 3.8GPA and a 19DAT.
 
erk005 said:
To answer your question: You have a good chance at getting in to dental school with a 3.8GPA and a 19DAT.
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I really hope so. Thanks 🙂
 
My remarks will do you no good, but maybe will help others that read this.

I hope you get in to a school that you want and do well on the DAT, but reading this entire thread have sent up so many red flags.

+1 to all those who said POOR PLANNING! You gave the excuse that you had to put it off for your degree. No offense, but who cares about your degree because it's not the priority here! The goal is DDS, not lab technician. To those who are still a year away from applying, don't make this same mistake. Take a summer semester off, or plan your classes around the DAT, not the other way around. I personally put off graduation 6 months just to get my DAT taken sooner.

+1 to docs comment on gpa being out of sync with DAT. It's a shame to work so hard in your undergrad, and to have 4 yrs of work and the quality of your education questioned by 1 test. I'm not saying your gpa was inflated, but you do have to back it up in the testing center.

Goodjob on all that dental experience/EC. You have plenty of hours, I hope that you have put those on the back burner and are focusing on taking the DAT ASAP because that seems to be the priority (unless they gave you the impression that dental experience was more lacking than your DAT.)

Best of luck
 
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