Hopkins people...serious trouble here.

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Hey all. I'm a-headed to Hopkins for sure this summer...except one thing. Since completing AMCAS, my GPA has gone from 3.9*200 credits to 3.4*225 credits, with numerous Incompletes and "F"s over the year. I am freaking falling apart at the seams for some reason. Now, I had already completed ALL of my requirements to enter JHMI, and I WILL complete both my degrees this term, BUT my GPA and my transcripts are looking like ****.

Now, I hate to play in technicalities, but I cannot find ANY conditions in ANY source (including my acceptance packet) that stipulate maintenance of a certain GPA or academic performance. The ONLY thing I can find anywhere is here on page 19.

"3. Conditions of Admission. Students admitted
to the School of Medicine on a conditional
basis (i.e.requirement(s) yet to be completed)
must fulfill those conditions prior to matriculation
in the School of Medicine."

I know there have been 100 threads on this, but can anyone at JHMI give me a clue here? What about fellow 2010'ers...any of you find anything in your packet with further conditions?

What do you all think?
 
Indryd said:
What do you all think?
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I think you're in a very dangerous position by having F's on your transcript. Dangerous as in if Hopkins decides to not let you in, you may never be able to go to medical school anywhere. Having said that, if there is no mention that you must maintain your current academic progress, which is what every school has told me so far, then you are legally okay as long as you get your degree conferred. But you might have to actually fight a legal battle which doesn't bode well. I'm sorry to say that you should indeed be worried.
 
Indryd said:
Hey all. I'm a-headed to Hopkins for sure this summer...except one thing. Since completing AMCAS, my GPA has gone from 3.9*200 credits to 3.4*225 credits, with numerous Incompletes and "F"s over the year. I am freaking falling apart at the seams for some reason. Now, I had already completed ALL of my requirements to enter JHMI, and I WILL complete both my degrees this term, BUT my GPA and my transcripts are looking like ****.

Now, I hate to play in technicalities, but I cannot find ANY conditions in ANY source (including my acceptance packet) that stipulate maintenance of a certain GPA or academic performance. The ONLY thing I can find anywhere is here on page 19.

"3. Conditions of Admission. Students admitted
to the School of Medicine on a conditional
basis (i.e.requirement(s) yet to be completed)
must fulfill those conditions prior to matriculation
in the School of Medicine."

I know there have been 100 threads on this, but can anyone at JHMI give me a clue here? What about fellow 2010'ers...any of you find anything in your packet with further conditions?

What do you all think?
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How the hell did that happen? If this is even a true story, those grades will affect your acceptance unless you have a good reason for them.
 
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Nexus777 said:
How the hell did that happen? If this is even a true story, those grades will affect your acceptance unless you have a good reason for them.
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No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
 
Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
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well it sounds like you have a good reason. Just draft up a letter explaining all this so that you have it handy if it is ever called into question.
 
If those F's and incompletes were in courses that are required for admission, then I think they would retract your acceptance. It's better for them to find out now from you then later in the process by just receiving a final transcript.
 
You'll need a Doctor's note about your medical problems, and some well-put together excuses in writing .

With those things, you should be fine. Most schools are very understanding of extenuating circumstances, as long as you have proof to back them up.

Good luck.

Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
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Wow, you are the epitome of a questionable admission. If you end up going to Hopkins, you are one lucky fellow.


Does anyone know if they regularly check grades of admitted students before matriculation? I doubt it. Although if I was affiliated with JHU, I would now be tempted to do so...
 
yellowpersuazio said:
If those F's and incompletes were in courses that are required for admission, then I think they would retract your acceptance. It's better for them to find out now from you then later in the process by just receiving a final transcript.
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Naw, they are all these classes that my university requires to get a degree that most people take their freshman year but I missed because I did my freshman year at a JC.
 
Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
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if you show them you had pneumonia and were in the hospital etc., then you'll be fine. i wouldn't tell them about the anxiety/depression - that would just make things worse
 
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Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
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The school will want a final transcript. I think that you'll be ok, since it's more administrative procedure than anything else.

If I were in your shoes, I would be more worried about how these conditions (severe anxiety disorder and depression) will affect me while in medical school. Will these medical problems flare up again while in school? If so, they will severely hinder your progress. Maybe taking a year off to really work them out might not be a bad idea.
 
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Originally Posted by Nexus777
How the hell did that happen? If this is even a true story, those grades will affect your acceptance unless you have a good reason for them.
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No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.
 
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If those F's and incompletes were in courses that are required for admission, then I think they would retract your acceptance. It's better for them to find out now from you then later in the process by just receiving a final transcript.
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Naw, they are all these classes that my university requires to get a degree that most people take their freshman year but I missed because I did my freshman year at a JC.
 
Don't pay any attention to the douchebags. You are going to be FINE. Your acceptance letter doesn't say anything about needing to maintain academic standards. Here's what you do:

1) Get your degree.
2) Call the admissions office and tell them what is going on.

You will need to send your transcripts at some point, so the only thing waiting to let them know is going to do is keep your anxiety level sky high because of uncertainty. The sooner you talk to them, the more time you have to get yourself together without worrying about what's going to happen to med school.
 
Taurus said:
The school will want a final transcript. I think that you'll be ok, since it's more administrative procedure than anything else.

If I were in your shoes, I would be more worried about how these conditions (severe anxiety disorder and depression) will affect me while in medical school. Will these medical problems flare up again while in school? If so, they will severely hinder your progress. Maybe taking a year off to really work them out might not be a bad idea.
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I'm medicated and doing much better now, thank you. I know I will do fine when MS time arrives, but do you all think mentioning that would be a bad thing?
 
Duplicate duplicate thread thread?
 
Zoom-Zoom said:
Wow, you are the epitome of a questionable admission. If you end up going to Hopkins, you are one lucky fellow.


Does anyone know if they regularly check grades of admitted students before matriculation? I doubt it. Although if I was affiliated with JHU, I would now be tempted to do so...
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Go to hell.
 
Rafa said:
Duplicate duplicate thread thread?
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Disclaimer disclaimer at the beginning beginning. I'd be happy for a mod to delete the thread in pre-allo. I meant for it to be in allo all along.
 
dbhvt said:
Don't pay any attention to the douchebags. You are going to be FINE. Your acceptance letter doesn't say anything about needing to maintain academic standards. Here's what you do:

1) Get your degree.
2) Call the admissions office and tell them what is going on.

You will need to send your transcripts at some point, so the only thing waiting to let them know is going to do is keep your anxiety level sky high because of uncertainty. The sooner you talk to them, the more time you have to get yourself together without worrying about what's going to happen to med school.
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Thanks for the advice. That makes sense...calling just to get it out of the way and forget about it. I think I'll do that.

dbhvt said:
Go to hell.
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Haha! you rule! Wanna be friends? 😛
 
Basically take dbhvt's advice. Graduate, and inform the school, to give yourself peace of mind. And take care of yourself. Your health > Any med school on Earth.
 
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Dude why don't you ask the Hopkins admission office about this, I mean they're gonna see the grades anyhow its not like they won't find out, you need to be an adult and address this with them yourself.
 
Alexander Pink said:
Dude why don't you ask the Hopkins admission office about this, I mean they're gonna see the grades anyhow its not like they won't find out, you need to be an adult and address this with them yourself.
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Thanks APMD. It's funny, all the ol' veterans I respect on here are saying the same thing: call them right away. That's why I posted here!

I only hadn't done this already because my premed advisor specifically advised me not to...but it's killing me not having a decisive answer.
 
Indryd said:
Thanks for the advice. That makes sense...calling just to get it out of the way and forget about it. I think I'll do that.
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It will probably feel a little like skydiving when you make that phone call. As much as reason tells you you've got a perfectly fine parachute on your back, it's hard to let yourself out of that plane. But if you can bring yourself to do it, you'll feel so much better.
 
Indryd said:
Thanks APMD. It's funny, all the ol' veterans I respect on here are saying the same thing: call them right away. That's why I posted here!

I only hadn't done this already because my premed advisor specifically advised me not to...but it's killing me not having a decisive answer.
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Hey Indryd,

That's odd that you've been told to not call them. I think you're going to have to deal with it anyway, so you might as well get it over with (and it might be best if you're still holding other acceptances...just in case the worst does happen and another school doesn't have requirements as strict).

But when you do call, I'd say you should present some alternatives in case they're taken aback. So mention that you'd be willing to retake those courses over the summer or do something that gives equivalent credit. And this totally isn't meant to be nit-picky, but even if you failed all 25 credits (which it sounds like you didn't based on the OP), you'll still have a 3.47, so it probably isn't that bad.

If you plan to go to second look this weekend, it might be a good opportunity to bring it up and give you a chance to present your side of the story.

Good luck with everything! I hope your health is doing better as well.
 
I'd send it in letter form. I just think over-the-phone it is far too easy to come off as "begging" and "making excuses up" than actually revealing a legitimate and dealt-with problem. Drafting and editing and getting people to read it will let you strike the proper balance and tone.

I also think you back this letter up with other sources. Send something as organized and thorough (and therefore reeking of professionalism) that includes doctor's notes, perhaps a letter from a professor saying you've improved since your illnesses (if you have), etc. If you decide to tell them about the depression (which you may have to do if you can't otherwise account for Fall grades), I'd schedule a psychiatrist visit first and have them right notes attesting to your current mental stability.

I think being professional and forthcoming is key here.
 
Indryd said:
Thanks APMD. It's funny, all the ol' veterans I respect on here are saying the same thing: call them right away. That's why I posted here!

I only hadn't done this already because my premed advisor specifically advised me not to...but it's killing me not having a decisive answer.
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The big question is whether you can still graduate?
If so, don't call. Trust me, these schools have better things to do than sort through everyone's grades. Calling attention to it is asking for trouble. The most they will do is double-check that those who had not completed their requirements have done so, and that won't be until months from now (when it's inconvenient to replace you). If you must know, just call anonymously and ask the receptionist a generic question about failing unrequired courses.

All that being said, you are probably fine (I remember feeling like you do when I got a "C" in a non-required course - I said nothing, they said nothing). It is natural to freak out because you don't want anything to take your dreams away....
 
Hard24Get said:
The big question is whether you can still graduate?
If so, don't call. Trust me, these schools have better things to do than sort through everyone's grades. Calling attention to it is asking for trouble. The most they will do is double-check that those who had not completed their requirements have done so, and that won't be until months from now (when it's inconvenient to replace you). If you must know, just call anonymously and ask the receptionist a generic question about failing unrequired courses.

All that being said, you are probably fine (I remember feeling like you do when I got a "C" in a non-required course - I said nothing, they said nothing). It is natural to freak out because you don't want anything to take your dreams away....
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A C is not an F. Most schools require that you maintain academic performance, which obviously means not failing. And yes schools will check your final transcript and make sure everything is in order, they dont have better things to do because that is the thing they do.
 
Indryd said:
I'm medicated and doing much better now, thank you. I know I will do fine when MS time arrives, but do you all think mentioning that would be a bad thing?
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Indryd -

You should mention any extenuating circumstances. Posters and any other people who say that you should censor what you've gone through this year are only perpetuating the stigma against mental illness that we can hopefully try to wash away as students and doctors. It sounds like you had a rough year - let them know, and I think you could pull through.

It might be possible that you'll have to retake some of the classes you failed or didn't finish this summer. I have very little knowledge about how this really works, but I think even one D or F on an otherwise shiny transcript can cause raised eyebrows in the admission office.

PLUS - Follow Dajimmers' advice. Don't give a phone call - you need to draft a detailed, forthcoming, and professional letter. Otherwise, the office may not realize how serious your issues over the past year really were, and they'll ask for documented verification aynway.
 
dajimmers said:
I'd send it in letter form. I just think over-the-phone it is far too easy to come off as "begging" and "making excuses up" than actually revealing a legitimate and dealt-with problem. Drafting and editing and getting people to read it will let you strike the proper balance and tone.

I also think you back this letter up with other sources. Send something as organized and thorough (and therefore reeking of professionalism) that includes doctor's notes, perhaps a letter from a professor saying you've improved since your illnesses (if you have), etc. If you decide to tell them about the depression (which you may have to do if you can't otherwise account for Fall grades), I'd schedule a psychiatrist visit first and have them right notes attesting to your current mental stability.

I think being professional and forthcoming is key here.
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A initial phone call is a perfectly professional way to proceed. Though you know what the acceptance letter said, you don't know exactly what their policies are. I imagine they are going to want to work through this with you in some way to be sure you are healthy for fall, and they may have a particular procedure for this. Putting together a perfectly balanced letter with external documentation will put off the initial communication. The key is to get it out there as soon as possible.

A professional phone call is not going to sound like begging.

For example.

indryd: I'm an admitted student to the class of 2010 MD program. I've had some recent medical difficulties that led to a decrease in my academic performance. I will be receiving my __ degree this May, but my final grades have not been up to my usual standards. What is your policy with this type of situation.

JHU: Indryd, thank you for calling us about this issue. Rest assured you are not a unique case. This is how we proceed...
 
Indryd, I thought you were going to Harvard?

Why don't you tell both schools your circumstances and see if either are cool with it. One (or both) will probably let you in, but by trying with both before May 15, you will have 2X the chance.


Indryd said:
***edit*** I just realized this was pre-allo. I meant to post it in Allo. Could a mod please move it?

Hey all. I'm a-headed to Hopkins for sure this summer...except one thing. Since completing AMCAS, my GPA has gone from 3.9*200 credits to 3.4*225 credits, with numerous Incompletes and "F"s over the year. I am freaking falling apart at the seams for some reason. Now, I had already completed ALL of my requirements to enter JHMI, and I WILL complete both my degrees this term, BUT my GPA and my transcripts are looking like ****.

Now, I hate to play in technicalities, but I cannot find ANY conditions in ANY source (including my acceptance packet) that stipulate maintenance of a certain GPA or academic performance. The ONLY thing I can find anywhere is here on page 19.

"3. Conditions of Admission. Students admitted
to the School of Medicine on a conditional
basis (i.e.requirement(s) yet to be completed)
must fulfill those conditions prior to matriculation
in the School of Medicine."

I know there have been 100 threads on this, but can anyone at JHMI give me a clue here? What about fellow 2010'ers...any of you find anything in your packet with further conditions?

What do you all think?
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I think people posting are not paying attention to the fact that Hopkins does not say you need to maintain your academic standards in order to gain admission. If that was the case, you would be working with two strikes and need to convince them not to follow their normal policy. In that situation, yes, a carefully crafted letter with external documentation would be a good first step. But we're looking at a totally different situation here.
 
dbhvt said:
I think people posting are not paying attention to the fact that Hopkins does not say you need to maintain your academic standards in order to gain admission. If that was the case, you would be working with two strikes and need to convince them not to follow their normal policy. In that situation, yes, a carefully crafted letter with external documentation would be a good first step. But we're looking at a totally different situation here.
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I would find it hard to believe that Hopkins didn't put some fine-print stipulation somewhere. But good point, if they didn't, then there is no need for any worrying.

Does Harvard say you need to maintain good standards? Indryd, is that why you're not considering Harvard anymore?
 
dbhvt said:
I think people posting are not paying attention to the fact that Hopkins does not say you need to maintain your academic standards in order to gain admission. If that was the case, you would be working with two strikes and need to convince them not to follow their normal policy. In that situation, yes, a carefully crafted letter with external documentation would be a good first step. But we're looking at a totally different situation here.
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dbhvt -

I would be careful about this. It is *very* hard for me to believe that Hopkins does not expect their accepted students to maintain the level of their previous academic performance before matriculation. There's just no way they won't care if a student's last semester is peppered with F's. I would start from the assumption that this is a serious matter that should be dealt with in a conservative and cautious manner, not that because there is no clear statement that JH expects high academic performance before attending MS, there's no need to worry.

And for 06applicant, HMS expects incoming students to maintain their grades. I really think that this is universal at admissions offices at med schools.
 
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And for 06applicant, HMS expects incoming students to maintain their grades. I really think that this is universal at admissions offices at med schools.
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I think this is universal for all schools this as well. But I remember the OP from many past Harvard threads, and was just wondering if that was why he is no longer considering them (i.e. because Harvard has it in writing and Hopkins doesn’t)
 
Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

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Hey,

I am sorry to hear about what you went through. I'm just curious (and the school might be too) about how this did not seemingly affect you during the application process since you seemed to interview and get accepted at some awesome schools.

In any case, best of luck to you and hope that it will be a non-issue but do let us know how everything works out.

Moj
 
First, some non-lawyer legal opinion: since the acceptances that are sent out are not contracts (viz., there is no consideration or acceptance on your part), the school is not bound to honor their admission offer.

If the school does require you to respond, even that does not usually comprise the type of contract that you might think; the school invariably words the response form such that they may revoke it until you have enrolled.

Anyway, that's pretty much meaningless because I think everyone else has been right on in saying that if you are forthcoming about your situation, Hopkins will most likely to play the part of a compassionate and reasonable institution. They should appreciate your candor, not punish you for illnesses.
 
06applicant said:
Does Harvard say you need to maintain good standards? Indryd, is that why you're not considering Harvard anymore?
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No, I decided against Harvard because Boston would be to expensive and fast-paced for my family to jump into straight out of rural Oregon.

Also, I attended a few of their PBL sessions and was not terribly impressed. ALSO, the final project thing they are implementing worried me.
 
Dr. Mojo said:
Hey,

I am sorry to hear about what you went through. I'm just curious (and the school might be too) about how this did not seemingly affect you during the application process since you seemed to interview and get accepted at some awesome schools.
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Ok, as lame as this sounds...I know it will sound arrogant, but the only answer I can think of is...I'm just that good... 😉

No, seriously, the fact that I put SO much into my application process/interviews was a big part of my falling off at school. I had been balancing full-time+ work, full-time+ school, and family for so long, that adding the additional stress of the application trail must have pushed me over the edge. I couldn't do them all at once. So, I prioritized app process and rocked its ass...at the expense of grades, maybe? That was probably part of it.
 
Mr.Bip said:
dbhvt -

I would be careful about this. It is *very* hard for me to believe that Hopkins does not expect their accepted students to maintain the level of their previous academic performance before matriculation. There's just no way they won't care if a student's last semester is peppered with F's. I would start from the assumption that this is a serious matter that should be dealt with in a conservative and cautious manner, not that because there is no clear statement that JH expects high academic performance before attending MS, there's no need to worry.

And for 06applicant, HMS expects incoming students to maintain their grades. I really think that this is universal at admissions offices at med schools.
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Admissions policies vary widely between schools. Some schools don't even require a bachelors degree. *I* find it hard to believe that a school could have a policy to rescind an offer of admission and not communicate that policy to accepted students. I find it *very* hard to believe they wouldn't even have that policy in their literature--especially considering there is a section on "conditions of admission" that doesn't mention it. I would call JHU myself to clear up the general question, but I think that would be inappropriate considering our friends situation.

I really don't think calling the admisisons office incurs any risk. But if you want to feel it out, I might suggest calling the student assistance program down at JHU. You're not a registered student, but it can't hurt to call.

http://student.med.jhmi.edu/content/sap.html

I just want to see you get this taken care of quickly. The sooner you get in contact with them, the better.
 
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Indryd said:
No, I decided against Harvard because Boston would be to expensive and fast-paced for my family to jump into straight out of rural Oregon.

Also, I attended a few of their PBL sessions and was not terribly impressed. ALSO, the final project thing they are implementing worried me.
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I am on the Harvard waitlist, so it would be great if you removed yourself as soon as possible. I almost guarantee they will revoke your acceptance as soon as they hear of all your Fs anyway.

Hopkins is a great school, and as long as you graduate they won’t take your acceptance away (no matter how many Fs you have).
 
Indryd said:
No, seriously, this is very sadly true.

Last spring I started having some problems that were later diagnosed (only 8 months later when I finally went to the doctor) as severe anxiety disorder and depression (who the hell knew?). Then a month later I was bedridden for weeks with what turned out to be severe asthma (again, never a symptom in my life before this). THEN, from Jan-March this year I had what turned out to be pneumonia (I went to 3 docs over 6 weeks before the 4th finally did a chest xray and noticed my left lung looked like it had a storm cloud floating over it).

This on top of performing the application shuffle for 9 months while maintaining my 40hr/week job, school, and family, and a general sense of pointlessness about all these piddly classes I'm taking with mostly freshman to patch up the holes in my degrees kind of all combined to make this last year of school very, very difficult to focus on.

So, yes, it's true. And yes, I am worried.

🙁
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If they are not courses you need to graduate, withdraw from them and send Hopkins a note explaining why you withdrew.
 
Ugh...that all sounds like a nightmare and a half. Honestly, I give you a lot of credit for being able to do it all (school, family, work full time) even before the application process hit. Then to add health issues and the app process on - I'd be LAID OUT FLAT. I know what you mean about having a game face though - you figure you've got to turn it on for a couple hours and then it'll be all over.

Anyways, it sounds like Hopkins letter to you didn't say anything about maintaining academic standing. My advice would be to talk to them - you don't want a nasty surprise in July when they get your final transcript!! Withdraw from any class you don't absolutely need in order to go to medical school - even if you think it might help to have taken it in medical school.

It sounds like you really need some time to take care of yourself, and I'm sure that will be difficult to find in the process of relocating a family from Oregon to Baltimore, but once you are settled in Baltimore consider a long weekend on the eastern shore of Maryland or a on the Outer Banks of NC (my vote is for OBX...love 'em!!). If you enter med school at this pace it will be a disaster waiting to happen.

Best of luck...please let us know what happens!!
 
You had a 3.9 at 200 credits... so that's 3.9*200 = 780 points

Now you have a 3.4 at 225 credits... so that's 3.4 *225 = 765 points

You LOST points somehow? I don't think any grade counts as negative points.
 
Indryd said:
my GPA has gone from 3.9*200 credits to 3.4*225 credits,
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wait, are you sure you calculated your GPA right? what you stated above is mathematically impossible (even if you failed all 25 credits, which I doubt you did, you'd still have a 3.5).
 
tkdusb said:
You had a 3.9 at 200 credits... so that's 3.9*200 = 780 points

Now you have a 3.4 at 225 credits... so that's 3.4 *225 = 765 points

You LOST points somehow? I don't think any grade counts as negative points.
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Exactly what I was saying (15 minutes after you... I guess I missed your post)
 
i would also consider deferring med school for a year so you're sure to be in the right state of mind when you start. i'm not trying to be mean, i just think its a good idea for you
-mota
 
tkdusb said:
You had a 3.9 at 200 credits... so that's 3.9*200 = 780 points

Now you have a 3.4 at 225 credits... so that's 3.4 *225 = 765 points

You LOST points somehow? I don't think any grade counts as negative points.
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That was an estimate. The GPAs are correct, the credits completed are an estimate.

And yes, at my school, F = no "credit", but still calculated into your GPA as a zero for the number of credits earned. You notice it was only 25 credits for an entire year almost, that's because out of the about 45 credits I took, I only passed about 20. The rest are no "credit", but still count as a zero on my GPA.

If you like--if you are that concerned with the mathematical acurracy of my OP--I can forward you my transcript and you can do the exact calculations 😛 However, that is not the issue.
 
drmota said:
i would also consider deferring med school for a year so you're sure to be in the right state of mind when you start. i'm not trying to be mean, i just think its a good idea for you
-mota
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I've been thinking about it. Idunno though.
 
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