Loan forgiveness?

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I'm a pre-health person, but I thought I'd ask this question in this forum:

Are there programs similar to allopathic/osteopathic schools where you can work in an urban/rural place after residency to get your loans forgiven? I'm truly attracted to podiatry, but I don't know if I can see myself in huge amounts of debt. Anyone know people who have done that or have done this themselves?
 
I know that some reservations in the southwest have offered this as part of the package. I know that there are other opportunities but I am unaware of the specifics.
 
jonwill said:
I know that some reservations in the southwest have offered this as part of the package. I know that there are other opportunities but I am unaware of the specifics.

There is only one loan forgiveness program that I am aware of and jonwill had alluded to it. If you work for the Indian Health Service in the US, you will be eligible for loan forgiveness. The Loan Repayment Program at the Indian Health Service provides residents or physicians (for Podiatric Medicine, residents do not qualify), who are licensed to practice, up to $20,000 per year (for a two year minimum commitment) towards repayment of your health professions education loans while working for the IHS. This is in addition to the salary and benefits. IHS also will pay up to 20 percent of the increased federal tax directly to the IRS on your behalf. Priority is historically given to Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, OB/Gyn, Pediatrics, Geriatric Medicine, Podiatric Medicine, and Psychiatry. The candidate will be requried to fulfill the contract service agreements through full time clinical practice at an Indian health program site determined by IHS. You can read more about the Podiatric Medicine and Indian Health Service in the following links:

http://www.ihs.gov/nonmedicalprograms/ncihp/index.asp
http://www.ihs.gov/generalweb/helpcenter/customerservices/loan.asp
http://www.ihs.gov/jobscareerdevelop/DHPS/LRP/lrpsc.asp

I hope that this helps.
 
dpmgrad said:
There is only one loan forgiveness program that I am aware of and jonwill had alluded to it. If you work for the Indian Health Service in the US, you will be eligible for loan forgiveness. The Loan Repayment Program at the Indian Health Service provides residents or physicians (for Podiatric Medicine, residents do not qualify), who are licensed to practice, up to $20,000 per year (for a two year minimum commitment) towards repayment of your health professions education loans while working for the IHS. This is in addition to the salary and benefits. IHS also will pay up to 20 percent of the increased federal tax directly to the IRS on your behalf. Priority is historically given to Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, OB/Gyn, Pediatrics, Geriatric Medicine, Podiatric Medicine, and Psychiatry. The candidate will be requried to fulfill the contract service agreements through full time clinical practice at an Indian health program site determined by IHS. You can read more about the Podiatric Medicine and Indian Health Service in the following links:

http://www.ihs.gov/nonmedicalprograms/ncihp/index.asp
http://www.ihs.gov/generalweb/helpcenter/customerservices/loan.asp
http://www.ihs.gov/jobscareerdevelop/DHPS/LRP/lrpsc.asp

I hope that this helps.


Thanks! This helps a lot.
 
In addition to that program, a whole lot of states have something called the Health Professions Loan. In North Carolina, where I am from, they will pay 9000 dollars a year during your podiatry school and after residency you must work in North Carolina for 1 year for each year they gave you the loan. So basically you get 36,000 dollars for free if you come back to North Carolina. Alot of other states have very similar programs.
 
The military is also an option.

Jays2cool4u 😎
 
Actually the millitary does not currently offer loan reimbersments for podiatric medical students like it does for osteopaths and allopaths. The reason is unclear, but when the APMSA approached the military as to why podiatrists are not included they were not given an answer. This may change in the future with the more standardized 2-3 yr residency training, but as of right now the military is not an option for us.
 
gustydoc said:
Actually the millitary does not currently offer loan reimbersments for podiatric medical students like it does for osteopaths and allopaths. The reason is unclear, but when the APMSA approached the military as to why podiatrists are not included they were not given an answer. This may change in the future with the more standardized 2-3 yr residency training, but as of right now the military is not an option for us.

Thanks for clearing that up gustydoc. If pods are not given loan forgiveness, I wonder why they are still comissioned as Captain's upon entry (in the army at least)?

Jays2cool4u 😎
 
jays2cool4u said:
Thanks for clearing that up gustydoc. If pods are not given loan forgiveness, I wonder why they are still comissioned as Captain's upon entry (in the army at least)?

Jays2cool4u 😎

Podiatrists are comissioned as Captains (in the Army). However it is in the Medical Service Corps, MDs and DOs are Medical Corps.

The Navy does have some money for loan repayment. I do not know the details. I do know you incur an additional service obligation for each year of loan repayment.

The Army has been changing their requirements, and is now only accepting those with 3 years of residency training. (I expect this may cut down on the number of people applying for direct comission as most would have much better offers coming out of a 3 year residency.)

The Army is the only service that offers residency training. It is a PM&S-36 program. Applications are through CRIP, though you are also required to submit a concurrent application for direct comission. On acceptance of the residency, you also accept a comission to Active Duty. There is a 4 year Active Duty Service Obligation following the 3 years of residency. For now, there is no loan repayment, bonuses, etc. though it may be coming in the future. This has been a hot topic for discussion over the past couple years. I wouldn't rule it out, but I also wouldn't count on it until I see it in writing.

Hope this helps.
 
efs said:
Podiatrists are comissioned as Captains (in the Army). However it is in the Medical Service Corps, MDs and DOs are Medical Corps.

The Navy does have some money for loan repayment. I do not know the details. I do know you incur an additional service obligation for each year of loan repayment.

The Army has been changing their requirements, and is now only accepting those with 3 years of residency training. (I expect this may cut down on the number of people applying for direct comission as most would have much better offers coming out of a 3 year residency.)

The Army is the only service that offers residency training. It is a PM&S-36 program. Applications are through CRIP, though you are also required to submit a concurrent application for direct comission. On acceptance of the residency, you also accept a comission to Active Duty. There is a 4 year Active Duty Service Obligation following the 3 years of residency. For now, there is no loan repayment, bonuses, etc. though it may be coming in the future. This has been a hot topic for discussion over the past couple years. I wouldn't rule it out, but I also wouldn't count on it until I see it in writing.

Hope this helps.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get out of residency training and start practicing to pay your loans off? I am sure that your starting salary out of a 2 or 3 yr residency program would pay off better than committing yourself to some multiyear obligation to eventually pay off your debt while getting paid very little on the side. I can see some sense in staying in your own state to get them to pay some of your school loans. However, to go all the way through the military does seem like an extreme way to make sure your loans are paid off. Not to offend anyone, this is just my two cents.
 
doclm said:
Wouldn't it be easier to just get out of residency training and start practicing to pay your loans off? I am sure that your starting salary out of a 2 or 3 yr residency program would pay off better than committing yourself to some multiyear obligation to eventually pay off your debt while getting paid very little on the side. I can see some sense in staying in your own state to get them to pay some of your school loans. However, to go all the way through the military does seem like an extreme way to make sure your loans are paid off. Not to offend anyone, this is just my two cents.

Everyone's situation is a little bit different. For most people I would say you are correct. However, depending on individual circumstances I would say that the military at least warrants a look.

Maybe I can give some insight with a rundown of some recent graduates. Of the 6 past graduates from this residency 1 was Navy, 1 current resident is Navy. Their situation is a little different, both had previous residencies. The Navy allowed them to do an additional residency in return for more time owed. Both must have thought the additional training was worthwhile. For those with forefoot training only, or a weak initial residency this might make sense.

Of the other 5 most recent past graduates, 4 had previous residencies. Of those 3 specifically came into the military for the residency, one was already on active duty and returned for additional training. Of those 5, 3 had previous military experience. (That will mean starting out at a different place on the pay scale, and possibly elligible for earlier promotion.) Of those 5 only 2 are likely to continue military service beyond their obligation.

Consider this. Come on active duty for residency, complete the course of training. You are then obligated for 4 years (some of the previous residents are only obligated for 3 as they has a PSR-24 Program at the time.) This gives them enough time to complete their cases for Board certification, (which is paid for), establish some experience, (most will be Chief of Podiatry services in a smaller hospital during thier initial tour), opportunity to network (we typically work closely with Orthopedics), as well as taking advantage of all the opportunities offered by the military. These opportunities are almost to many to list. They may also vary from person to person as everyone values different things. If you are interested in working in the VA system or in a GS position, your previous military time counts towards pay and benefits. The military is essentially socialized medicine, so there are fewer (or different) headaches to deal with as far as insurance, coding and billing. No worries as far as setting up a practice or deciding what you will do for work following residency. Bottom line on this is that most will have all the credentials, experience and networking needed for them to have a good outlook jobwise once they decide to leave the military.

Staying in the military really isn't all that bad of a prospect either. A lot of the military benefits are somewhat transparent to those not in the system. There are very few jobs that offer pensions anymore. Those of us who may retire from the military can look forward to a pension check and still work. The government Thrift Savings Plan was recently offered to the military as well, and is an excellent benefit (similar to a 401K), on top of the penison.

On a day to day basis, the practice is different as well. We primarily see active duty folks (i.e. young, healthy patients) or their dependants (spouses and children). So our patient population is skewed. We see more trauma, sports medicine, pediatrics, and elective surgery than is typical for most practices. We also see much less routine care and diabetic wound types of patients. Depending on your viewpoint this may be a bonus.

My situation is far from typical. I had a fairly long previous military service record, which puts me a bit ahead. When I play with the numbers I estimate I would have to earn more than $120,000- $130,000/year to maintain the same lifestyle I do now. I don't have to pay for malpractice or health insurance, have money going toward a 401K, pension is building, no costs associated with practice (I'm on a salary), 30 days paid vacation/year, money towards CME and boards, some pretty good tax incentives (e.g. money towards housing is not taxable), practice is skewed towards the patietns I would prefer to work with, etc. In my case there are too many things going the right way to not do it this way. The same may not hold true for others though.

The military does have a lot to offer, even if we are not currently getting any bonuses or loan repayment, but it does take the right situation. The student loans and bonuses remain a hot button item, and may change in the future. Overall, I would tell people not to discount it, but it is also not the right situation for just anyone.
 
I'm bumping this instead of making a new one.

Any new programs open up in the last 7yrs since this thread was made? Is IHS still a viable option?
 
I'm bumping this instead of making a new one.

Any new programs open up in the last 7yrs since this thread was made? Is IHS still a viable option?

You might want to try contacting the tuba city residency program. It is located on the navajo reservation in arizona. I am sure the director there would know what's up with current forgiveness programs that might or might not be available for podiatrists.
 
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