Stupid school of dentistry ******s....

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WVUPharm2007

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My wife had to get an emergency root canal today. Painful, right? The asshats wouldn't give her any pain meds when she told them she was in excruciating pain. Right now she's in the bedroom, curled up in fetal position, in tears...800mg Ibuprofen, 1000mg APAP doing nothing...just miserable. Thankfully, her family doc from Philly is calling in a script for Lortab as I type. If it wasn't for him taking care of the problem, and I'm not joking at all, I'm pretty sure I'd be walking down to the school of dentistry and assaulting somebody.

...but seriously..wtf? She's a health professions student having a root canal, not some drug seeker. Good lord...slide her some darvocet at least...damn tooth jockeys....
 
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My wife had to get an emergency root canal today. Painful, right? The asshats wouldn't give her any pain meds when she told them she was in excruciating pain. Right now she's in the bedroom, curled up in fetal position, in tears...800mg Ibuprofen, 1000mg APAP doing nothing...just miserable. Thankfully, her family doc from Philly is calling in a script for Lortab as I type. If it wasn't for him taking care of the problem, and I'm not joking at all, I'm pretty sure I'd be walking down to the school of dentistry and assaulting somebody.

...but seriously..wtf? She's a health professions student having a root canal, not some drug seeker. Good lord...slide her some darvocet at least...damn tooth jockeys....
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gotta go to the right guy...last root canal i had, i went shopping when i was done. the crown hurt more. find a new dentist!
 
Absolutely! No offense to dentistry students or anything, but please, please...please go to someone who is experienced and has been around long enough to know what to do - teeth are a very delicate issue, and if someone is not experienced, they can cause alot of damage. Finding a dentist you can trust is key. Tell your wife to feel better!
 
Maybe its some policy at the school that they cant write for controlled meds. Still sucks though. 🙁
 
That aint right...I had a root canal done in high school and it was the most painful experience I have ever encountered. Thats almost inhumane too me. A root canal and no pain meds? Was she forced to go there because she's a student? I still dont understand why they wouldnt at least write 5 tablets of something? I hope she feels better soon WVU.
 
My root canal was totally pain free. He's a recent UF dental graduate, so maybe they make sure not to cause pain on other UF students.😀

Seriously, he told me that I shouldn't need anything for pain. I've had fillings that hurt worse. For the next root canal, you should try another dental surgeon.
 
dgroulx said:
My root canal was totally pain free. He's a recent UF dental graduate, so maybe they make sure not to cause pain on other UF students.😀

Seriously, he told me that I shouldn't need anything for pain. I've had fillings that hurt worse. For the next root canal, you should try another dental surgeon.
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Was the procedure pain free or after the "shot" wore off? My pain was the needle in the roof of the mouth and after the "shot"wore off. It was pretty bad.
 
Maybe her dentist is just stingy with pain meds.

My boyfriend got his tooth pulled a few weeks ago (small chance of saving the tooth with a root canal and crown) and he didn't get any pain meds either.
 
I don't have health insurance, so she had to go the apprentice guinea pig route. The folks performing the surgery were the kids rotating at WVU's dental clinic. Actually...I think this might have been their first or second rotation given it's July. She said they weren't that bad at all, in fact they did a fine job with th actual root canal. The students went to the attending dental surgeon to request lortab for her, but the attending shot them down. I know what was going through the *****'s head, too. "Oh, this kid just wants some drugs to have fun." He's lucky I have a CIII script a phone call away or I swear to god I would hunt him down and snip his balls off with a pair of hedge trimmers.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
...I swear to god I would hunt him down and snip his balls off with a pair of hedge trimmers.
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Use nail clippers...torture is an activity only completely satisfying when done slowly.
 
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Poor Mrs. WVU!!!!

I actually had a similar experience as a student. I had to have my 4th molars extracted while in school.

So - I've got a dental school husband who arranges for the head of the oral surgery dept to extract my molars - he gets to assist......credit, positive "points" & experience with the head of the dept right??

Ok - all goes well, altho I decline the conscious sedation - demerol/valium mix (pre-versed days..). That's just my thing. So - I get a whole **** load of local - which resulted in numbing the nerve which controls the motor movement of one of my eyes (its been too long - I don't remember which nerve this is!). So, as I leave - my eyes are moving independently of each other. I look like a "google doll".

No problem - anesthetic wears off, everything is OK. Altho...this is 1976 - we all drank wine, no matter what - bad wine too! In spite of directions (& my husbands specific direction)....I had just a small glass of wine the day after.

Well....let me tell you what wine will do to the newly formed granulation tissue - it displaces it. When it displaces - it now exposes the bone which was exposed by the extraction - a "dry socket".

Now - if my husband - dental student IV could have gotten in the "clinic" he could have packed it with Iodoform Nugauze, which would have calmed down the pain/inflammation - but he was just a dental student & he couldn't get in after hours.

I was "DYING" - the pain (& I have had 2 children & 1 miscarriage) was HORRIBLE. So - we went to the ER. The poor resident couldn't do anything. He had no access to the dental clinic stuff, so he prescribed Demerol. I spent the weekend in lala land.

By the time I went back Monday, granulation was taking place again (even I know you don't mix wine with demerol)...and all was well. But - the oral surgeon looked down his nose at both of us (any good points my husband made were probably shot down right then...but he's had a successful career, so no big deal).

So - bottom line - when you go to the school facilities, you get what you get, what you get.

The endo my husband refers to in private practice calls all his pts the evening after the procedure (I've unfortunately had to use his services..). You really do get what you pay for & you will get to that point after you get out of school - your insurance will pay for a private practice dentist.

I do hope Mrs. WVU is better.....when her mouth hurts - everyone in the house hurts.😉
 
I don't think I've ever taken a controlled RX drug. I got my wisdom teeth taken out and my mother took the Percocet script from me and wouldn't let me have it. I was lucky, though, and didn't have any pain. In fact, I had a few beers that night. My holes had sealed fairly well and it was a Friday night. 😀
 
sdn1977 said:
You really do get what you pay for & you will get to that point after you get out of school - your insurance will pay for a private practice dentist.
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While I tend to agree....I'd like to think that a piece of paper with the words "Lortab 5/500" and a bunch of other stuff written on it isn't too much to ask for.
 
Requiem said:
You'd have to be insane to send this thread that way.
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I think you should. Maybe they will think twice about refusing to give pain meds to their patients who they just performed minor surgery on.....I just want them to think....hedge trimmers....

She's doing fine now that she's on some opiods. She's not even spaced out. She's just chillin' on the couch, playing Viva Pinata....
 
you really do get what you pay for....my root canal was a smooth 1K! for 40 minutes worth of work. of course, the shopping afterward didn't help my wallet, either.

i'm getting a wisdom tooth pulled in a few weeks....now i will stay away from wine and beer...don't want dry sockets! or, just scam some nu-guaze!

this is a different oral surgeon who is equally expensive...i won't do conscious sedation and don't like to take opioids. so wish me luck!

wvu, good luck, and well wishes to your wife!
 
Hey everyone -- thanks for the well wishes! I'm waiting for my ibu to kick in fully so I can get some sleep, but other than that I'm starting to do better.

My biggest problem is that the supervising surgeon said I "shouldn't need medication." How is my level of pain his determination? If he could wave a magic wand and it wouldn't hurt that'd be great; I'd rather have that than drugs. But man, just because he's a grumpy old man whom probably hates his job and his students doesn't mean he has to take his issues out on me.

The student working on me was actually great, with the exception that he needs to work on his bed side manner (but who doesn't, especially as a student?)... he kept mentioning how much decay there was and talking about really bad cases where they spent so much time drilling and then lost the tooth. That's not what I want to hear while I've got a drill in my mouth! The surgeon was a million times worse, however -- he kept talking about teeth shattering while removing decay and whatnot, plus he wasn't gentile at all, it's like he was more concerned about speed than anything else.

Anyway, enough of a rant -- just wanted to thank everyone for the concern! I think I'll be okay, and hopefully I won't run out of drugs before the pain is gone 'cause I don't want to keep bugging my doc!

-Mrs. WVU

(PS - Hun, since you'll probably check this before I remember to tell you I wrote it, the nail clippers are in the computer drawer and the tweezers in the smaller bathroom cabinet. Thanks for getting revenge for me! 😍)
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
While I tend to agree....I'd like to think that a piece of paper with the words "Lortab 5/500" and a bunch of other stuff written on it isn't too much to ask for.
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As a current dental student, I feel your pain and your wifeys. If she had her work done at a dental school, the endo dept at some of those schools are the most anal and stuck up **** heads on the face of the planet. I had a pt who i did a RCT for on one of her premolars and the operation went fine. They wouldnt sign off Lortab, tylox, or any pain meds for her. They just told me to tell her to tack OTC ibuprofen. I was like wtf! Anyway, I ended up telling the prof the next day that she had an infection and was in pain, so he had to prescribe both an AB and some pain meds (jackass signed off for darvocet). Anyway, sorry that happend but dont take it on the entire profession. The old timers really need to retire ASAP.
 
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Indeed - If you reread my posts, you will note that my complaint is against the school of dentistry, not dentists in general. In fact, I did note that the students actually wanted her to have some opiods and did a great job with patient care...it's the ***** attending that refused proper pain management that angers me.

Though I must say you are of a rare breed, it appears. Most of your colleagues are too coward to come confront the perceived issue themselves and rather blather on about myself and my wife elsewhere. That's not cool, man....
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Indeed - If you reread my posts, you will note that my complaint is against the school of dentistry, not dentists in general. In fact, I did note that the students actually wanted her to have some opiods and did a great job with patient care...it's the ***** attending that refused proper pain management that angers me.

Though I must say you are of a rare breed, it appears. Most of your colleagues are too coward to come confront the perceived issue themselves and rather blather on about myself and my wife elsewhere. That's not cool, man....
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LOL...well truthfully thats how I found this thread. I do consider myself a rare breed in my school. Im a 4th year student that has gotten in some serious confrontations with faculty about various issues, including the topic discussed here. What they teach us about post-root canal treatment is that the majority of the pain is inflammatory in origin, and hence the use of Ibuprofen in most situations. For the majority of MY patients that I have preformed root canals on, I would strongly recommend anyone to give a three day supply of pain meds when performing such an invasive procedure. The amount of inflammation, and the continuous harboring of minute amounts of bacteria is sometimes too much for a weak analgesic like Ibuprofen to handle. Again, a lot of people on that thread took what you said personally, but I really didnt. Every profession has faults that need change. Sometimes things just take time. But I would strongly discourage you and your wifey from getting dental work at the school again, because from what Ive seen, procedures take twice as long and "tablets" are very hard to come by
 
PharmDstudent said:
Hey, what's the avatar picture about? It looks really gross 😳.
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Picture of an extra-oral third molar extraction performed by an oral surgeon(a residency that I was interested in until I did some externships acoss the country 😀)
 
psiyung said:
LOL...well truthfully thats how I found this thread. I do consider myself a rare breed in my school. Im a 4th year student that has gotten in some serious confrontations with faculty about various issues, including the topic discussed here. What they teach us about post-root canal treatment is that the majority of the pain is inflammatory in origin, and hence the use of Ibuprofen in most situations. For the majority of MY patients that I have preformed root canals on, I would strongly recommend anyone to give a three day supply of pain meds when performing such an invasive procedure. The amount of inflammation, and the continuous harboring of minute amounts of bacteria is sometimes too much for a weak analgesic like Ibuprofen to handle. Again, a lot of people on that thread took what you said personally, but I really didnt. Every profession has faults that need change. Sometimes things just take time. But I would strongly discourage you and your wifey from getting dental work at the school again, because from what Ive seen, procedures take twice as long and "tablets" are very hard to come by
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Are you within 300 miles of West Virginia? When I graduate and get dental insurance, I'm coming to see you.

The thread on the other forum is hilarious now.....wtf...lecturing me on drugs...****in fonzy jumping over sharks and the queen dancing around in her underpants, man. The world gonna end...cats and dogs, living together...
 
WVU, that is CRAZY. I feel sorry for her. My husband had to have an emergency tooth removal late on a Friday afternoon. He got it done at the dental school emergency clinic(the only place possible to have that done late on Friday afternoon). They were great! He was happy with the degree of skill his student had (he said she was a 3rd or 4th year student that did the procedure) and he got a script for Lortab. 😎
 
I have had two root canals and they were both totally painfree! Getting my teeth cleaned is much more painful. I think it does depend on your doc. I hope your wife feels better. I at least had the option for pain meds.
 
Sorry to hear that, Wvu. Some folks think that just because something is a CS, makes it somehow wrong to prescribe. There are very real reasons to prescribe Lortab, and this sounds like it would be a valid indication to the majority of health professionals out there. Drug seekers don't sit through excruciating root canals (with or without dental insurance) to score a 5 day supplies of lortab! If that's the issue, these folks need to learn a little more about how to spot drug-seeking behavior! It's almost a part of the procedure itself in terms of followup care, that pain should be addressed.
 
This thread provoked a little incident in the dental forums so to prevent folks from moving that here, I'm closing this one too. Fair enough, I hope.


There is a lot pharmacists and dentists can learn from each other if we stay collegial and professional. 🙂
 
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