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Hi,
I know its early but was curious if people have been accepted/interviewed yet? Which dental school and avg. GPA? Give people some hope...

Thanks!
 
Try predents.com! You can check the stats of those who have interviews. No acceptances come until December 1st.
 
one thing people should look at is the rank of their undergrad. Undergrads have a score of difficulty. This means that a 3rd or 4th tiered university's 4.0 may be like a 1st tiered university's 3.0. This is why pre-dents shouldn't focus solely on their gpa's.
 
Hmmwhat said:
one thing people should look at is the rank of their undergrad. Undergrads have a score of difficulty. This means that a 3rd or 4th tiered university's 4.0 may be like a 1st tiered university's 3.0. This is why pre-dents shouldn't focus solely on their gpa's.
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Good point. I have always been a proponent of the tier system. There is a difference in the difficulty of the curriculum/peers and that should be reflected. Taking a number at gross face value can be very misleading.
 
Shunwei said:
Good point. I have always been a proponent of the tier system. There is a difference in the difficulty of the curriculum/peers and that should be reflected. Taking a number at gross face value can be very misleading.
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It doesn't matter what undergrad you went to. There are plenty of people who didn't go to a great undergrad, and we're still dental students.
 
in her drawer said:
It doesn't matter what undergrad you went to. There are plenty of people who didn't go to a great undergrad, and we're still dental students.
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The quality of your undergrad institution has a direct impact on the calibre of your education. And it's also worthy to point out that, if you can survive a high-pressued undergraduate curriculum, you'd be more apt to do so as well for D-School. This isn't about chest-pumping or bragging rights, but as someone who is older here than a lot of people (I am 30, been though undergrad, grad, and worked in the real world, where I have dealt with colleagues from various backgrounds and schools), I can tell you that I can discern people apart based on where they went to school. Even though you are right in that you are all dental students, the quality is not uniform which is why some excel and some struggle.
 
Shunwei said:
The quality of your undergrad institution has a direct impact on the calibre of your education. And it's also worthy to point out that, if you can survive a high-pressued undergraduate curriculum, you'd be more apt to do so as well for D-School. This isn't about chest-pumping or bragging rights, but as someone who is older here than a lot of people (I am 30, been though undergrad, grad, and worked in the real world, where I have dealt with colleagues from various backgrounds and schools), I can tell you that I can discern people apart based on where they went to school. Even though you are right in that you are all dental students, the quality is not uniform which is why some excel and some struggle.
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the quality of your education is not a function of the school itself but of the student attending the school

a student with a great desire to learn and achieve will do so wherever they are

schools with high_pressured curricula are filled with high achieving students<<these students are motivated high achievers that would have done well in any school

your ability to discern where people went to school is actually based on their personality and intelligence and not necessarily a function of where they went to school

obviously this is my humble opinion

ps my caps lock is stuck so i cannot capitalize or use proper punctuation
 
JMJRDH1 said:
the quality of your education is not a function of the school itself but of the student attending the school

a student with a great desire to learn and achieve will do so wherever they are

schools with high_pressured curricula are filled with high achieving students<<these students are motivated high achievers that would have done well in any school

your ability to discern where people went to school is actually based on their personality and intelligence and not necessarily a function of where they went to school

obviously this is my humble opinion

ps my caps lock is stuck so i cannot capitalize or use proper punctuation
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Sorry, with all due respect, your argument doesn't hold any water for me. Apparently this issue is a sensitive spot for alot of folks on here who attend community colleges, so I will just make one last statement here before some kind of flame war starts.

At a top-rated school, you have programs that have more educational resources at their disposal, and their students, by virtue of the stringency selection of a top-rated program, are naturally either very talented or overachievers. Either way, you get tough competition from your peers, and there is also opportunity to learn a lot, provided that you have the desire (which overachievers and talented folks tend to do anyways). This is not to say that there aren't smart students in lower-rated programs, it's just that either the curriculum is not as enriched, or the majority of the competition is not as fierce. For me, certainly, a 3.67 (A-) GPA at a top 20 school trumps a 4.0 at a state school, anyday.
 
Top schools' curricula focus on critical thinking, problem solving, and ideas analysis. No-name schools focus chiefly on memorizing and reguritating.

Depending on the schools you went to, you may have a different set of skills.
 
You can't tell anyone with a 4.0 from a state school that they are not as "smart/motivated/prepared for dental school" as someone with a 3.5 from an ivy league school. Who says that the person from the state school wouldn't get a 4.0 if they went to an ivy? You never know.
 
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neefs said:
You can't tell anyone with a 4.0 from a state school that they are not as "smart/motivated/prepared for dental school" as someone with a 3.5 from an ivy league school. Who says that the person from the state school wouldn't get a 4.0 if they went to an ivy? You never know.
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Thats why DAT is the great equalizer.

If the 4.0 from state school scored higher on DAT than one with 3.5 from ivy, adcoms will surely view the one from state as more competitive.

If the 4.0 from state school scored an AA of 16, yet the ivy kid scored a 21, then the credibility of that 4.0 will be in question.

Of course you can argue that the 4.0 kid may not be a good tester. But in order for him to get a 4.0 in undergrad, he must have done well in most, if not all his midterms and finals.
 
jigabodo said:
Thats why DAT is the great equalizer.

If the 4.0 from state school scored higher on DAT than one with 3.5 from ivy, adcoms will surely view the one from state as more competitive.

If the 4.0 from state school scored an AA of 16, yet the ivy kid scored a 21, then the credibility of that 4.0 will be in question.

Of course you can argue that the 4.0 kid may not be a good tester. But in order for him to get a 4.0 in undergrad, he must have done well in most, if not all his midterms and finals.
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That's exactly what I think. I would seriously doubt the validity of 4.0 GPA if the person can't score more than 19.
 
I find this to be a very useless debate. You cannot say that a 3.67 from an ivy trumps a 4.0 at a state school. why? because it doesn't The reason is because there is much more taken into consideration than just gpa. This might be some sort of worthwhile debate for somebody trying to figure out what undergrad they wanted to go to and if dental schools placed everything on gpa alone. This is something that will be heard until the very end, but in all reality there are people with 3.2's from state schools that get into dental school and there are people with 3.6's from ivy's that get rejected from the same schools.
 
so yea...accepted/interviewed and GPA...
 
Shunwei said:
Sorry, with all due respect, your argument doesn't hold any water for me. Apparently this issue is a sensitive spot for alot of folks on here who attend community colleges, so I will just make one last statement here before some kind of flame war starts.

At a top-rated school, you have programs that have more educational resources at their disposal, and their students, by virtue of the stringency selection of a top-rated program, are naturally either very talented or overachievers. Either way, you get tough competition from your peers, and there is also opportunity to learn a lot, provided that you have the desire (which overachievers and talented folks tend to do anyways). This is not to say that there aren't smart students in lower-rated programs, it's just that either the curriculum is not as enriched, or the majority of the competition is not as fierce. For me, certainly, a 3.67 (A-) GPA at a top 20 school trumps a 4.0 at a state school, anyday.
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You have no clue what you are talking about. There are a lot of people who go to small 4-yr state schools for various reasons. I went to a hole in the wall school in Idaho because I couldn't afford to go anywhere else. I couldn't use my parents as a resource either. Some people go to small schools because of family issues. Etc., Etc., Etc.

I will give to you the fact that in larger schools there are more resources, but that doesn't mean people take advantage of them. Our chemistry equipment dated back to the 1950 which was donated things from a papermill. The equipment still ran as good as it did 40 yrs prior. One thing at a small 4 yr school is that we get more individualized attention and have the ability to learn things in more detail. To say that that large schools teach critical thinking and small schools only teach memorization is a load of BS. I will take my classmates from undergrad against you and your classmates in a critical thinking exercise (competition) in a heartbeat. Size of the school has no bearing on education. It is an individuals desire or lack of desire to learn and the professors desire to teach that makes an education of good or bad quality.

Just because you are a brain - 3.9 GPA, high DAT scores, etc. doesn't mean Rice is any better than St. Thomas University in Houston or UH - Clearlake. Get off your high horse otherwise you will be the one who gets alienated in d-school.

Another thing, just because a person has a quality education in undergrad doesn't mean they will excel in d-school. I have classmates who can memorize notes in the blink of an eye, but I wouldn't trust them working on my mouth because they have no hand skills. Drop the who's education is better tan another's because it is not possible to acurately determine. there is a reason d-schools stopped having their schools ranked because to say one school is better than another is a very subjective thing.
 
Shunwei said:
Sorry, with all due respect, your argument doesn't hold any water for me. Apparently this issue is a sensitive spot for alot of folks on here who attend community colleges, so I will just make one last statement here before some kind of flame war starts.

At a top-rated school, you have programs that have more educational resources at their disposal, and their students, by virtue of the stringency selection of a top-rated program, are naturally either very talented or overachievers. Either way, you get tough competition from your peers, and there is also opportunity to learn a lot, provided that you have the desire (which overachievers and talented folks tend to do anyways). This is not to say that there aren't smart students in lower-rated programs, it's just that either the curriculum is not as enriched, or the majority of the competition is not as fierce. For me, certainly, a 3.67 (A-) GPA at a top 20 school trumps a 4.0 at a state school, anyday.
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i think we can discuss without flaming each other

although you claim to disagrew with me the first sentence is a rewording of my brlief that it is the students that create the competition that ultimately leads to high grades and achievement< not the simply the school itself

your second statement also agrees with me in that the lack of competition likely means a lower number of high achieving students

your personal belief that an ivy a minus trumps a state four point oh is not what i questioned from your post but the fact that you have equated a quality difference between the two schools and therefore enabled you to pick out the ivy student when compared to the state school student based solely on their attended school

other than that point you actually agree with me more than you would like to!
 
Shunwei said:
The quality of your undergrad institution has a direct impact on the calibre of your education. And it's also worthy to point out that, if you can survive a high-pressued undergraduate curriculum, you'd be more apt to do so as well for D-School. This isn't about chest-pumping or bragging rights, but as someone who is older here than a lot of people (I am 30, been though undergrad, grad, and worked in the real world, where I have dealt with colleagues from various backgrounds and schools), I can tell you that I can discern people apart based on where they went to school. Even though you are right in that you are all dental students, the quality is not uniform which is why some excel and some struggle.
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Wow, talk about unabashed arrogance...haha. Why don't you stop being a chicken and just spit out everything you want to say. LOL.

Lol...that's like me saying...b/c you're oriental, you are anatomically inferior, have no success whatsoever with women, are anti-social, deceptive, and probably a pervert. I mean come on...talk about judging a book by it's cover.

See, the funny thing is...you probably wouldn't be saying what you're saying if you worked at a fast food chain while in high school, slaved your way through college working full time, had no financial support from your family, etc etc...
 
whitethunder said:
Wow, talk about unabashed arrogance...haha. Why don't you stop being a chicken and just spit out everything you want to say. LOL.

Lol...that's like me saying...b/c you're oriental, you are anatomically inferior, have no success whatsoever with women, are anti-social, deceptive, and probably a pervert. I mean come on...talk about judging a book by it's cover.

See, the funny thing is...you probably wouldn't be saying what you're saying if you worked at a fast food chain while in high school, slaved your way through college working full time, had no financial support from your family, etc etc...
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:corny:Take a seat everyone! This is going to be a great show!
 
Hmmwhat said:
one thing people should look at is the rank of their undergrad. Undergrads have a score of difficulty. This means that a 3rd or 4th tiered university's 4.0 may be like a 1st tiered university's 3.0. This is why pre-dents shouldn't focus solely on their gpa's.
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Most dental schools do not factor in that difficulty. A GPA is a GPA.
 
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Acceptance King said:
You have no clue what you are talking about. There are a lot of people who go to small 4-yr state schools for various reasons. I went to a hole in the wall school in Idaho because I couldn't afford to go anywhere else. I couldn't use my parents as a resource either. Some people go to small schools because of family issues. Etc., Etc., Etc.

I will give to you the fact that in larger schools there are more resources, but that doesn't mean people take advantage of them. Our chemistry equipment dated back to the 1950 which was donated things from a papermill. The equipment still ran as good as it did 40 yrs prior. One thing at a small 4 yr school is that we get more individualized attention and have the ability to learn things in more detail. To say that that large schools teach critical thinking and small schools only teach memorization is a load of BS. I will take my classmates from undergrad against you and your classmates in a critical thinking exercise (competition) in a heartbeat. Size of the school has no bearing on education. It is an individuals desire or lack of desire to learn and the professors desire to teach that makes an education of good or bad quality.

Just because you are a brain - 3.9 GPA, high DAT scores, etc. doesn't mean Rice is any better than St. Thomas University in Houston or UH - Clearlake. Get off your high horse otherwise you will be the one who gets alienated in d-school.

Another thing, just because a person has a quality education in undergrad doesn't mean they will excel in d-school. I have classmates who can memorize notes in the blink of an eye, but I wouldn't trust them working on my mouth because they have no hand skills. Drop the who's education is better tan another's because it is not possible to acurately determine. there is a reason d-schools stopped having their schools ranked because to say one school is better than another is a very subjective thing.
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Don't get into the logical dichotomy territory . . . . go back and read my post a little bit more carefully before you lose your shirt. I am certainly aware that there are talented folks at state universities, and I said so as much. However, you do realize that we can make some sort of conclusion based on the *average* quality of the students in a class body? When I was at Rice, literally half of my classmates were National Merit Scholars and in my class alone we had three Rhodes Scholars, four Fulbright Scholars (myself included, although I eventually for various reasons passed up on the offer), and dozens of other national awards, all in a whopping class of 400. At UC Berkeley, where I was a grad student, 1/3 of my class (of only 40) obtained prestigious extramural research fellowships, such as ones from NSF, Hughes, and DoD (I also had the honor of being in this bunch). From what I know, at top places elsewhere, the ratio is about the same. When your classmates are this good, you have got to be kidding if you think that the competitive atmosphere does not make high performance harder to come by.

Personally, I think that you and some of the other less-civilized folks on here are the ones on the so-called high-horse (judging from the quality of some of the comments below, it's an insult to dentistry to have folks like these in the field). Just because you guys went to state universities for whatever personal reason, doesn't mean that you can dismiss with a wave of the hand the effort and hard-work other folks put in by going to top-ranked schools. People like us (and no, I am not rich, and nor are my parents--I worked part-time on work-study loans and filled out the rest of my financial needs by obtaining scholarships, again with my hard-earned grades and overall package) chose to go to top-rated programs not because are elitists, but because at such places we believe that we can be a lot more than what we can otherwise become at other places. So give people the credit they deserve. From the information I obtained by talking to admssions folks at the places I have interviewed, apparently they do acknowledge different tiers of programs. One assistant dean told me that they would add 10% to one's GPA for first-tier schools, and another one said +0.2. Personally, I think this is a fair adjustment.

And finally, in dental school one of the most important skills is time management--how to juggle four classes, lab work, and other stuff while at the same time live a life. A couple of my friends at Rice who eventually attended UT San Antonio remarked to me how they were much better adapted to D-School environment precisely because their experience in the Rice pressure-cooker; in contrast with some of their classmates from other places, they were much better at prioritizing and completing tasks, or even just not to break under pressure. I don't see how this can't be a valuable intangible to have by experiencing a tough undergraduate program.

Peace.
 
Smills91 said:
Most dental schools do not factor in that difficulty. A GPA is a GPA.
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I agree. For many schools it's probably only really a major factor in borderline cases anyway, like a little bump or something if you need it. I doubt they demote someone with a good GPA and good DAT to back it up just because the GPA wasn't from an Ivy or top 20 school.

I like the person's viewpoint that mentioned that not all top achievers go or even want to go to an Ivy or top 20 school for various reasons. It doesn't mean their success or learning experience is in some way tainted or that they are less likely to succeed in dental school. Of course there are differences in the strengths and weaknesses of different schools' programs. However, even different departments at a single school vary in strength. It is virtually impossible to accurately and fairly rank them all.

And we've all heard plenty about how just getting into those top of the top schools (of which ranking methods are often disagreed upon anyway) is often the hardest part, not necessarily doing well there. It's the d-schools' job to weight whatever they deem is most important, and I think most consider far more than where you went to undergrad.

Interviews: UIC, NYU, BU, Tufts
GPA: 3.72/3.63 sci
DAT: 22/24/21
And yes, I went to a state school of my own volition.
 
Let's face it. State schools are cheaper and more accessible. I had the option of going to a number of private schools for undergrad, but the money wasn't there...so I went to state school. If the notion is that higher ranked institutions provide a higher quality of education to their students than it will show in the DAT (which is standardaized). If someone from Harvard has the same GPA and DAT scores as someone from a state school, do you still say they received a higher quality education?
 
I also am not trying to gang up on Shunwei. His accomplishments are no doubt incredibly impressive and hard-earned. And I don't disagree that competition at highly ranked schools is fierce (not that it wouldn't be at many other schools these days as well though).

I think maybe people are more offended by his second post which smacked a little of elitism in my opinion. Internet posts don't always convey one's true meaning, but to say you can tell people apart simply by where they went to school is a little insulting.
 
I go to a private school that isnt that high ranked and would agree with what most people are saying here that school does not matter. If shunwei was such a smart person than why is he 30 and on a pre-dental forum? I guess us that went to lower tiered schools figure out what we want earlier. Also, how can you say that people from rice, or higher ranked universities, can juggle things better. Large state schools have a lot of stuff going on and their students usually have to juggle just as much as anyone else. Stop thinking of yourself as better just because you went to a high ranked school. Im not saying it doesnt make ANY difference, but it definitely does not mean that a student at a state school with a 4.0 is different than a ive-league student with a 3.5. I have talked to the dean at the state school of my residence and he told me that. Students make the most/least of their opportunities.
 
dromyousuf said:
I go to a private school that isnt that high ranked and would agree with what most people are saying here that school does not matter. If shunwei was such a smart person than why is he 30 and on a pre-dental forum? I guess us that went to lower tiered schools figure out what we want earlier. Also, how can you say that people from rice, or higher ranked universities, can juggle things better. Large state schools have a lot of stuff going on and their students usually have to juggle just as much as anyone else. Stop thinking of yourself as better just because you went to a high ranked school. Im not saying it doesnt make ANY difference, but it definitely does not mean that a student at a state school with a 4.0 is different than a ive-league student with a 3.5. I have talked to the dean at the state school of my residence and he told me that. Students make the most/least of their opportunities.
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Apparently a lot more people have this sore spot on the issue of schools than I thought. People can't seem to hold a rational discussion without taking low punches 🙄

Oh, and there are plenty of folks who change careers at an older age for a variety of reasons. And are you so sure that Dentistry is really for you given what you know at your age? Tell me that in ten years time. And because I am older than you, don't forget to respect your elders 😛

I am off to the airport for my interview. This thread pretty much went the way I thought it would go, although I originally thought that folks would be a little bit more civilized in holding a discussion.
 
Well Shunwei, I respect your opinion! Which do you think are the top d-schools.
 
I agree with u here...hhehe..u r never know that dentistry is for u..yeah,,

Shunwei said:
Apparently a lot more people have this sore spot on the issue of schools than I thought. People can't seem to hold a rational discussion without taking low punches 🙄

Oh, and there are plenty of folks who change careers at an older age for a variety of reasons. And are you so sure that Dentistry is really for you given what you know at your age? Tell me that in ten years time. And because I am older than you, don't forget to respect your elders 😛

I am off to the airport for my interview. This thread pretty much went the way I thought it would go, although I originally thought that folks would be a little bit more civilized in holding a discussion.
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I can totally understand what Shunwei is saying. I think the important distinction to make is that he's making a generalization. He is not saying that EVERY person who goes to a lower tier school is not as great as one who attends a top tier school. But I completely agree that for the most part, there is a huge difference in the quality of education. I transferred from a 2nd tier school to a 1st tier school, and trust me... things were different! (Actually, I don't know if it's tier 1 and 2. If one is ranked 23 and the other is 70 something, is that tier 1 and 2? =P)

At my 2nd tier school, I was literally bored out of my mind. It seemed like every professor there would spoon feed the students, and even if they didn't, somehow they made the material so easy that it was really... a joke. At the 1st tier school, the atmosphere was completely different. Generally everyone was extremely diligent in their studies, and the professors sure as hell did not spoon feed us! darn.... lol :laugh:

I think it would have been WAY easier for me to get into dental school had I stayed at the 2nd tier school and just kept my nice 4.0... but I personally would not have learned how to manage my time and insane amounts of stress as well had I not attended my 1st tier school.

I think the DAT is the best way to compare students. That's just my opinion.

So, if that's helpful in any way, yay! If not, ummmmm..... :hardy:
 
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I could have gone to a UC, but I stayed in Nevada for financial reasons. I have a solid GPA at a lower tier public and majored in something other than science, but still performed well on the DAT. I have a friend who ended up going to Berkeley, majored in Biochem, and has a similar GPA, but did not perform well on the DAT(19). I think the education a student receives is dependent solely on their motivation level, but I do believe, in general, the students at the high tier schools are more motivated and in turn get more out of their undergrad.

In the end, we'll all be colleagues one day, will it really matter where we went to undergrad?
 
well shunwie is the perfect example of what is "supposed to happen" when you go to Rice... If rice is sooo great, then show everyone that by the DAT... which he clearly did.... My point is that someone who is at a good state and has a good GPA needs a GREAT DAT scores to show schools that they are for real. If someone at school #10 and someone from #80 get the same scores then what does it really mean??? Good state schools have tons of hard upper levels where you can excel and learn many things. This is why DAT scores are very important. It is in my opinion the only way to compare students from the 100's of undergrad schools. Schools really dont "favor" the better schools but it just kinda works itself out by those kids getting the really high scores 25+.
 
Many people have mentioned the superior faculty and teaching methods used at top-tier schools, but I'm suprised no one has really gotten into the content of the coursework. When we are talking about basic dental school pre-requisites, I feel that it is highly unlikely that course content is going to be any different. It will be accelerated/decelerated and definately taught in a different manner, but at the end of the day the material will be the same. Given that, wouldn't you all agree that students attending a "lower-tier" school are at a distinct disadvantage? Having to learn the same material in a less-than-inspiring classroom environment, wouldn't a 20AA from our unfortunate state-schooler mean a little more than the same score from his or her ivy-league friend?

GPAs, on the other hand, cannot be compared across schools, that's why they don't usually transfer GPAs. There is no formula to compare GPAs from different schools, either. We forgot majors, as well! I had a 3.89 in music, but what does that mean when you're comparing it to someone with a 3.5 double-majoring in French & Neuroscience? Throw in DAT scores and it becomes a much, much more complicated equation.

No adcom knows all of the circumstances surrounding a person's finances, background, major of study, or GPA, but they all know what we went through for the DAT! Human and computer, four and a half hours of fun. That's why, at the end of the day, the DAT will be the decision maker or breaker. That's why we all have to take it, no matter what school, what major, or what kind of bank account we have.

To answer the original question, link to my predents profile.
 
i have also been told that caliber of undergrad matters some when considering your gpa. i imagine it would matter most b/c depending on how your classes are graded-- i.e. if top 25% get As-- you are directly competing with higher caliber students and it becomes harder to get into the top 25%. plus some schools may have tougher style exams. i've heard of some schools having multiple choice exams for orgo. i struggled on the DAT with that b/c it was such an unusual format for me.

i also think the DAT is an equalizer but hopefully numbers aren't the only things dictating whether we get or not.
 
swtcatastrophe said:
i have also been told that caliber of undergrad matters some when considering your gpa. i imagine it would matter most b/c depending on how your classes are graded-- i.e. if top 25% get As-- you are directly competing with higher caliber students and it becomes harder to get into the top 25%. plus some schools may have tougher style exams. i've heard of some schools having multiple choice exams for orgo. i struggled on the DAT with that b/c it was such an unusual format for me.

i also think the DAT is an equalizer but hopefully numbers aren't the only things dictating whether we get or not.
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ha... orgo with multiple guess... i would have loved to have that instead of crazy mechs for tests
 
Shunwei said:
When I was at Rice, literally half of my classmates were National Merit Scholars and in my class alone we had three Rhodes Scholars, four Fulbright Scholars (myself included, although I eventually for various reasons passed up on the offer), and dozens of other national awards, all in a whopping class of 400.
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Claiming to be a Fulbright Scholars after turning it down is like claiming to have been a student at MIT although you never attended for various reasons.

"Mission Unaccomplished!"
 
doc toothache said:
Claiming to be a Fulbright Scholars after turning it down is like claiming to have been a student at MIT although you never attended for various reasons.

"Mission Unaccomplished!"
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It does take a lot away from the accomplishment, but maybe Shunwei was just trying to show that he's capable.

By the way, how do you have 400+ posts and still be a new member????? 😕
 
doc toothache said:
Claiming to be a Fulbright Scholars after turning it down is like claiming to have been a student at MIT although you never attended for various reasons.

"Mission Unaccomplished!"
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Toothache, I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone. Frankly, you can take your constant, cynical attitude to hell for all I care. For the record, you do notice that on my Predents profile I only listed my NSF fellowship, not the Fulbright. And you do realize that Fulbright scholars are international exchange programs in reality--so if anyone has any reasons (family, for example) to not go abroad, the scholarship cannot be consummated? If I wanted to lie, I could have easily claimed myself as a Rhodes Scholar instead, since it is more prestigious 🙄
 
jigabodo said:
It does take a lot away from the accomplishment, but maybe Shunwei was just trying to show that he's capable.

By the way, how do you have 400+ posts and still be a new member????? 😕
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Nothing will detract from his accomplishments. Those will remain for posterity.

As for ????.....equally😕
 
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Hey shunwei, how much can you bench press?
 
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder...."
 
lollipop999 said:
well shunwie is the perfect example of what is "supposed to happen" when you go to Rice... If rice is sooo great, then show everyone that by the DAT... which he clearly did....
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In this case, at least, to suggest that the high DAT scores were the result of attendance of a prestigious school is a bit of a stretch. In spite of assertions to the contrary, a Ph.D. certainly didn't hurt even if the subject matter was not that covered on the DAT. Post graduate education teaches one to systematically approach the problem, find the most useful information for solving the problem and how best to apply the results.
 
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