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When I was a pre-med student and trying to get into medical school I certainly thought that I would be happy at almost any medical school, i.e. the admissions game seemed that difficult. But I would advise pre-meds as someone who has gone through the process to be more thorough in their evaluation of medical schools, I recently read a thread about how someone thought that the tuition at one school, BU, would somehow translate into a better education, a more exciting teaching atmosphere, or something along those lines. I actually felt the same way when I applied to this school! While my comments may seem somewhat directed to BU, they may hold validity when comparing a high-price medical school to a cheaper medical school. My bottom-line statement is don't undervalue yourself, and asked good pointed questions when you interview rather than assume that your school will be the perfect fit for you. Medical schools can and do compete for good students, and you shouldn't be fooled into believing a school's fancy brochure. Medical education support was something that I felt was lacking, and something that I perhaps could have gleaned through conversations with past students, so bottom-line is do your homework and go back for a second look if possible and don't sell yourself short.

I think that anyone who bases their decision to attend BU's school of medicine based on the assumption that students actually receive more education or other perks based on the astronomical tuition should revaluate this position after seeing other schools. I made the erroneous decision to apply to and then to attend BUSM because I thought that the high tuition must at least mean that education is somehow supported and their global health track appearred to be supportive on the website. Buyer beware my friends! The high cost of BUSM is due to the lack of alumni contributions and for other economic issues I can not fathom. The housing situation is horrible around Boston in terms of finding a place where you can park your car or live as it is all very old housing that is literally crumbling, never mind that everything is overpriced in Boston. I think there are few advisors available to actually talk to students at BU, so your high tuition is not going to student support services, I think they are trying to change this, but with 170 students who are basically confused about everything from financial planning to electives to career planning you will not receive personalized attention like you would at a place like Mayo med school with only 30 or so students.

I wish I could go back and give them input about how to change basic science years, as many of the lectures are poorly prepared, and alot of time is wasted traveling to off-site clinical days in years 1 and 2 with clinical preceptors who may not be very helpful or enjoy or even tolerate students in their clinics. I sought out advisors for help with research and international health work, but they were practically mute and offered no solutions. . . BU historically used to be a city hospital, but the prevailing feeling of the place is a private medical school with many students aiming for competitive specialties (mostly to pay the high tuition), and less emphasis on public health. I would wager that any medical school at baseline offers the same opportunities to students as most of these things which are based through outside institutions like the NIH, but BU doesn't really step up to the plate to offer help for it masses, I think that this is because the school has to go so low down on the rank list and maybe are dissatisfied with the students they have!??

At any rate, I knew that I would not receive adequate clinical training at BU, i.e. strong foundation in internal medicine, and all of the other clerkships, my strong step 2 CK was a direct result of getting excellent training outside the BU system.I knew BU would not prepare me as well as other places for excellent clinical practice. Believe me, the tuition at BU does not "trickle down" to the students, and it is weird how the school every year talks about trying to keep it down, but can't, I don't know if the school is on the verge of bankruptcy or something, but it was a negative hearing so many of my classmates at BUSM complain about the tuition although I wasn't! BU offers an MD degree at a high price, but has not beefed up any of undergraduate medical education for the price, . . . there are many schools with excellent clinical opportunities involving underserved people and global health, BU is not special at all in this regards, don't get fooled into paying a higher price for a product which is not worth it!
 
Very interesting post. I would love to hear from others, hopefully about different schools, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.
 
I feel like I read more voluntarily offered poor reviews of BU on this board than of any other school. If my sense of things is correct then that in itself says something about the school.
 
I feel like I read more voluntarily offered poor reviews of BU on this board than of any other school. If my sense of things is correct then that in itself says something about the school.
You know, now that I think about it I have noticed this too. BU gets ripped on by more people (including current students) than any other of the ~120 schools. Interesting...
 
Was anyone else's initial reaction that the OP might be a premed on BU's wait-list? Because seriously, that would have been brilliant.
 
Was anyone else's initial reaction that the OP might be a premed on BU's wait-list? Because seriously, that would have been brilliant.
Haha, that would be hilarious. Thankfully, the OP doesn't come off as being petty.
 
Was anyone else's initial reaction that the OP might be a premed on BU's wait-list? Because seriously, that would have been brilliant.

His post history pretty much indicates without a doubt that he is in medical school. If he were a premed on the WL I'd say he was more desperate than smart though!
 
When I was a pre-med student and trying to get into medical school I certainly thought that I would be happy at almost any medical school, i.e. the admissions game seemed that difficult. But I would advise pre-meds as someone who has gone through the process to be more thorough in their evaluation of medical schools, I recently read a thread about how someone thought that the tuition at one school, BU, would somehow translate into a better education, a more exciting teaching atmosphere, or something along those lines. I actually felt the same way when I applied to this school! While my comments may seem somewhat directed to BU, they may hold validity when comparing a high-price medical school to a cheaper medical school. My bottom-line statement is don't undervalue yourself, and asked good pointed questions when you interview rather than assume that your school will be the perfect fit for you. Medical schools can and do compete for good students, and you shouldn't be fooled into believing a school's fancy brochure. Medical education support was something that I felt was lacking, and something that I perhaps could have gleaned through conversations with past students, so bottom-line is do your homework and go back for a second look if possible and don't sell yourself short.

I think that anyone who bases their decision to attend BU's school of medicine based on the assumption that students actually receive more education or other perks based on the astronomical tuition should revaluate this position after seeing other schools. I made the erroneous decision to apply to and then to attend BUSM because I thought that the high tuition must at least mean that education is somehow supported and their global health track appearred to be supportive on the website. Buyer beware my friends! The high cost of BUSM is due to the lack of alumni contributions and for other economic issues I can not fathom. The housing situation is horrible around Boston in terms of finding a place where you can park your car or live as it is all very old housing that is literally crumbling, never mind that everything is overpriced in Boston. I think there are few advisors available to actually talk to students at BU, so your high tuition is not going to student support services, I think they are trying to change this, but with 170 students who are basically confused about everything from financial planning to electives to career planning you will not receive personalized attention like you would at a place like Mayo med school with only 30 or so students.

I wish I could go back and give them input about how to change basic science years, as many of the lectures are poorly prepared, and alot of time is wasted traveling to off-site clinical days in years 1 and 2 with clinical preceptors who may not be very helpful or enjoy or even tolerate students in their clinics. I sought out advisors for help with research and international health work, but they were practically mute and offered no solutions. . . BU historically used to be a city hospital, but the prevailing feeling of the place is a private medical school with many students aiming for competitive specialties (mostly to pay the high tuition), and less emphasis on public health. I would wager that any medical school at baseline offers the same opportunities to students as most of these things which are based through outside institutions like the NIH, but BU doesn't really step up to the plate to offer help for it masses, I think that this is because the school has to go so low down on the rank list and maybe are dissatisfied with the students they have!??

At any rate, I knew that I would not receive adequate clinical training at BU, i.e. strong foundation in internal medicine, and all of the other clerkships, my strong step 2 CK was a direct result of getting excellent training outside the BU system.I knew BU would not prepare me as well as other places for excellent clinical practice. Believe me, the tuition at BU does not "trickle down" to the students, and it is weird how the school every year talks about trying to keep it down, but can't, I don't know if the school is on the verge of bankruptcy or something, but it was a negative hearing so many of my classmates at BUSM complain about the tuition although I wasn't! BU offers an MD degree at a high price, but has not beefed up any of undergraduate medical education for the price, . . . there are many schools with excellent clinical opportunities involving underserved people and global health, BU is not special at all in this regards, don't get fooled into paying a higher price for a product which is not worth it!
I'm looking for one of these:

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I'm looking for one of these:

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:laugh:

Here's what I got from it:
  • greater tuition does not necessarily equal better education
  • talk to current and past students; ask pointed questions, have frank discussion; dig around
  • take what admissions folks, school advertisement, & student ambassadors say with a few grains of salt
  • don't accept propaganda and don't assume; investigate carefully--this is your education we are talking about here
  • "don't sell yourself short"
  • it's a competitive market; caveat emptor
Did I miss anything?
 
You know, now that I think about it I have noticed this too. BU gets ripped on by more people (including current students) than any other of the ~120 schools. Interesting...

That is interesting, especially because I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it gets more applications than almost any other medical school in the country.
 

yeah when I was there to interview last cycle, they had a presentation on financial aid and the presenter was having some fun with the fact that everyone in the room was probably aware of the outrageous tuition. You could also pick out the people that didn't already know because they were the ones that swore under their breath when the numbers were revealed. I'm not kidding.
 
Seems to me that it doesn't really matter too much to most of us; am I wrong?
I have been wait listed at my state university and hope to come off so I have that option, but obviously not a given. As it is in NYC, I'm not sure that it will make much difference as cost of living here is so much higher than anywhere else I am looking but...
It's about $18 K a year. THAT makes a difference.

However, every other school, whether a state school or private, will charge me between 38-42 K. I am not going to let a $4,000 a year tuition break dictate which one I choose.

I know that's not precisely the point of the OP, but still. It's gonna be where I feel most comfortable, and where the students seem happiest. Everything else seems like marketing and bull$%!*.

Right?
 
Seems to me that it doesn't really matter too much to most of us; am I wrong?
I have been wait listed at my state university and hope to come off so I have that option, but obviously not a given. As it is in NYC, I'm not sure that it will make much difference as cost of living here is so much higher than anywhere else I am looking but...
It's about $18 K a year. THAT makes a difference.

However, every other school, whether a state school or private, will charge me between 38-42 K. I am not going to let a $4,000 a year tuition break dictate which one I choose.

I know that's not precisely the point of the OP, but still. It's gonna be where I feel most comfortable, and where the students seem happiest. Everything else seems like marketing and bull$%!*.

Right?

Just in terms of money, I think I felt the same way as you. That is to say, all schools besides your state school are going to charge you about the same exorbitant amount of money. So if you can't get into your state school, just examine your options and choose the place you think you'll be happiest.

Keeping in mind that the original poster had more problems with BU and boston than just the tuition.
 
.........uh, why would any one choose a school based on HIGHER tuition?


i do not follow that logic at all. if anything...go to the best ranking school with the best reputation, for the lowest price! (BAYLOR., Ranked 10, 13K/yr....CALL MEE!!!!)
 
You know, now that I think about it I have noticed this too. BU gets ripped on by more people (including current students) than any other of the ~120 schools. Interesting...
Or maybe the SDN population is just greater there ... SDN has a skewed view in some senses. You have to take some information with a grain of salt sometimes too. While I'm sure BU has gripes, I know many other students that are dissatisfied, but they don't always have the time to complain on SDN 😉
 
Finding a place to live in Boston isn't any worse than any of the dense coastal cities. You generally have two options: live further away with a group of people and get a nice house for something affordable to the group or live closer and get proportionately less for your money. Each city has its student ghettos. As long as you know what you're moving into you shouldn't have any problems meeting your expectations.
 
Finding a place to live in Boston isn't any worse than any of the dense coastal cities. You generally have two options: live further away with a group of people and get a nice house for something affordable to the group or live closer and get proportionately less for your money. Each city has its student ghettos. As long as you know what you're moving into you shouldn't have any problems meeting your expectations.

I don't know about that, . . . when I was there Boston had pretty expensive housing, and I think it has some of the most overpriced housing in the nation compared to most any other city, but true, . . . you can live further out, mostly I didn't like the over congestion and the neighborhood immediately around BUSM is very noisy at night i.e. hard to study if you are a student, so I would live at least a couple blocks from the school I guess
 
If BU was the only medschool you got accepted to. YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN. If it was one choice out of a few... YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME. The interview goes two ways. Just like a test, one has to study up and seek out the answers before they get to the exam. Not take the exam and figure out they didn't prepare enough. In the end, you'll be a doc and it won't matter.

As far as BU goes, the problem is this. YOU are all PATRIOT FANS. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, of course you're having a bad time. I HATE the Patriots... always beating my team. Ben Aflack mumble mumble
 
I wish I could be an astronaut. Too bad I failed 5'th grade math...and high school logic...and everything in college. I guess I can be a politician then.

Oh yes...the thread topic...tricks lies...yes, yes. I see it now. Carry on. If we all lived for 300 years on this big rock we could actually reap what we sow. Unfortunately that is not the case...this big rock has sinister plans indeed.

The point which I failed to make: Med schools are a business, on our part they are investments, and like any good investors we should thoroughly examine the opportunity cost along with big and minor details. Those in position to deny med school offers are the luckiest buyers of all. Excuse me while I drown my esophagus in melatonin.
 
I feel like, on some level, there are no bad schools (in this country at least). There's certainly good schools, and there's also a degree of subjectivity that goes with selecting a school that's right for you. But by and large, schools are in a sense federally mandated to be good schools, since their students have to pass boards and get into residencies.
 
When I was a pre-med student and trying to get into medical school I certainly thought that I would be happy at almost any medical school, i.e. the admissions game seemed that difficult. But I would advise pre-meds as someone who has gone through the process to be more thorough in their evaluation of medical schools, I recently read a thread about how someone thought that the tuition at one school, BU, would somehow translate into a better education, a more exciting teaching atmosphere, or something along those lines. I actually felt the same way when I applied to this school! While my comments may seem somewhat directed to BU, they may hold validity when comparing a high-price medical school to a cheaper medical school. My bottom-line statement is don't undervalue yourself, and asked good pointed questions when you interview rather than assume that your school will be the perfect fit for you. Medical schools can and do compete for good students, and you shouldn't be fooled into believing a school's fancy brochure. Medical education support was something that I felt was lacking, and something that I perhaps could have gleaned through conversations with past students, so bottom-line is do your homework and go back for a second look if possible and don't sell yourself short.

I think that anyone who bases their decision to attend BU's school of medicine based on the assumption that students actually receive more education or other perks based on the astronomical tuition should revaluate this position after seeing other schools. I made the erroneous decision to apply to and then to attend BUSM because I thought that the high tuition must at least mean that education is somehow supported and their global health track appearred to be supportive on the website. Buyer beware my friends! The high cost of BUSM is due to the lack of alumni contributions and for other economic issues I can not fathom. The housing situation is horrible around Boston in terms of finding a place where you can park your car or live as it is all very old housing that is literally crumbling, never mind that everything is overpriced in Boston. I think there are few advisors available to actually talk to students at BU, so your high tuition is not going to student support services, I think they are trying to change this, but with 170 students who are basically confused about everything from financial planning to electives to career planning you will not receive personalized attention like you would at a place like Mayo med school with only 30 or so students.

I wish I could go back and give them input about how to change basic science years, as many of the lectures are poorly prepared, and alot of time is wasted traveling to off-site clinical days in years 1 and 2 with clinical preceptors who may not be very helpful or enjoy or even tolerate students in their clinics. I sought out advisors for help with research and international health work, but they were practically mute and offered no solutions. . . BU historically used to be a city hospital, but the prevailing feeling of the place is a private medical school with many students aiming for competitive specialties (mostly to pay the high tuition), and less emphasis on public health. I would wager that any medical school at baseline offers the same opportunities to students as most of these things which are based through outside institutions like the NIH, but BU doesn't really step up to the plate to offer help for it masses, I think that this is because the school has to go so low down on the rank list and maybe are dissatisfied with the students they have!??

At any rate, I knew that I would not receive adequate clinical training at BU, i.e. strong foundation in internal medicine, and all of the other clerkships, my strong step 2 CK was a direct result of getting excellent training outside the BU system.I knew BU would not prepare me as well as other places for excellent clinical practice. Believe me, the tuition at BU does not "trickle down" to the students, and it is weird how the school every year talks about trying to keep it down, but can't, I don't know if the school is on the verge of bankruptcy or something, but it was a negative hearing so many of my classmates at BUSM complain about the tuition although I wasn't! BU offers an MD degree at a high price, but has not beefed up any of undergraduate medical education for the price, . . . there are many schools with excellent clinical opportunities involving underserved people and global health, BU is not special at all in this regards, don't get fooled into paying a higher price for a product which is not worth it!

damn, dude, this is some scray siht! 😱 4 years of misery 👎.

Thank god I didn't complete their secondary. The turn off for me was when they said they REQUIRED you to write an explanation if you completed some of your prereqs at a community college, the only school to do that 👎.
Booo BU!!😡
 
I feel like, on some level, there are no bad schools (in this country at least). There's certainly good schools, and there's also a degree of subjectivity that goes with selecting a school that's right for you. But by and large, schools are in a sense federally mandated to be good schools, since their students have to pass boards and get into residencies.

Yeah, I used to feel exactly that way as well, i.e. a U.S. medical school must have some sort of standards to which they are held, in reality I think they mostly are made to police themselves and make improvements for students only out of goodwill, which for a big corporation is a bad way to go, every school has their proportion of students who don't pass the boards and BU is sure no exception. As far as the federal government mandating quality standards, well, the feds aren't exactly looking over their shoulder, and the federal government has trouble regulating lots of stuff, especially since it is a private school I guess. I would guess that state schools try harder on their part to be above standards. There is a clear difference between going somewhere that is conducive to learning, i.e. at least residents teach you something once in a while and you can read at night to BU were the motto is students are the enemies and the school actually intefers with your studying, sure both ways could get you an MD, but I would urge premeds to investigate schools that make learning easy n' fun, which I think in the end is the most productive way to go and will make you a better doctor,
 
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