Range of AA, PA, TS, Mean, Median.

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The information was obtained from the 2008 ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools.

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         AA	Med	Mean	PA	Med	Mean	TS	Med
Alab	18-24	20.0	19.8	15-25	19.0	18.8	17-23	19.0
AZ	14-22	18.0	18.4	14-22	18.0	18.2	15-22	19.0
Mid								
LL	15-23.8	19.5	19.3	15-23.8	20.0	19.8	16-23	19.6
UCLA	17-25	20.0	22	17-25	20.0	20.1	19-26	22.0
UCSF	17-23	20.0	21.6	17-23	20.0	19.8	19-24.9	21.0
UOP	17-23	20.0	20.6	17-23	20.0	19.9	18-24	20.0
USC	15.4-22	19.0	19.2	15.4-22	19.0	18.8	16-22	19.0
Westrn								
Colo  15.4-23.6	19.0	N/A	15.4-19	19.0	n/a	16-23	19.0
Conn	16-21	19.0	20.6	16-21	19.0	19.1	18-25	20.0
Howard	12-20.9	16.0	17	12-20.9	16.0	16.3	14-20	17.0
Nova	15-23	19.7	19.7	14-23	18.4	18.4	17-24	20.0
Flor	N/A	19.0	19.5	N/A	19.0	18.5	N/A	19.0
Geo	15-23	19.0	19.2	15-23	19.0	19.1	15-23	19.0
S Ill	16-23	18.0	18.5	16-23	18.0	18.4	16-21.4	18.0
U Ill	14.1-22	19.0	20	14.1-22	19.0	18.7	16-24	20.0
Ind	17-24	19.0	19.1	16-24	19.4	18.6	17-24	18.9
Iowa	16-22	19.0	19.4	16-22	19.0	18.7	17-20	20.0
Kent	15-24	19.5	18.2	11.0-23	17.0	17.0	14-25	19.5
Loui  13.2-21.8	18.0	17.4  13.2-21.8	18.0	17.0	15-21	17.0
Louis	16-22	19.0	19.6	16-22	19.0	19.0  17.1-21.9	19.0
Md	17-25	20.2	20.2	15-25	18.7	19.0	17-24	20.1
Boston	15-23	19.9	19.9	15-23	18.5	18.5	17.8-23	20.0
Harv  17.4-24.6	21.0	22.7  17.4-24.6	21.0	20.6	18-29.2	22.0
Tufts	16-22	19.0	19.2	15-22	19.0	18.5	16-23	19.0
Mercy  15-23.1	19.0	19.7  15.9-23.1	19.0	19.2	17-23	20.0
Mich	15.5-23	20.0	20	15.5-23	20.0	19.0	17-23	20.0
Minn	16-23	19.0	19.7	16-23	19.0	19.2	17-24	19.0
Miss	16-21	18.0	18.2	11.-22	17.0	17.0	14-22	18.0
Missou	16-22.1	17.5	18.3  11.8-22.1	17.5	17.3	16-21	18.0
Creigh	17-22.7	19.0	19.1	17-22.7	19.0	19.4	17-22	19.0
Neb	15-22.7	19.0	18.7	15-22.7	19.0	18.6  15.3-22.7	19.0
Nev	15-22	19.0	19.6	15-22	19.0	19.1	17-24	19.0
UMDNJ	14-21.6	19.4	19.5	14-21.6	17.7	17.7	16.4-23	19.4
Colu  15.4-22.6	19.0	22.3  15.4-22.6	19.0	19.0	19-26	22.0
NY	15-23	19.0	19.8	15-23	19.0	18.7	18-23	20.0
SB	16-22	22.0	21.6	16-22	19.0	19.2	19-25	22.0
Buf	16-23.6	19.0	19.6	16-23.6	19.0	19.4	17-23	19.0
UNC	15-24	19.0	20.1	15-24	19.0	18.9	16-24.9	20.0
Case	16.3-23	19.0	19.7	16.3-23	19.0	19.5	17.3-23	19.0
Ohio	16-23	19.0	19.5	16-23	19.0	19.1	16-24	19.0
Ok	15-25	19.0	19.6	15-25	19.0	19.4	16-21	20.0
Ore	17-24	19.6	19.57	15-24	19.1	19.1	17-24	19.9
Penn	N/A	21.0	20.7	N/A	19.0	19.2	N/A	21.0
Pitt	16-22.1	19.0	19.9	16-22.1	19.0	19.1	17-23	20.0
Temple	16-22	18.0	19.1	16-22	18.0	18.6	16-22	19.0
PP	12.-20	16.5	15.3	16.-22	16.5	16.1	13-18.4	15.0
SC	17-23.1	19.0	18.9	17-23.1	19.0	19.4	16-24	18.0
Meh	14-20	16.0	15.8	13-20	15.7	15.6	14-19.7	16.0
Tenn	N/A	N/A	18.3	N/A	N/A	18.2	N/A	N/A
Baylor	14-21.2	18.0	19.5	14-21.2	18.0	17.6	16-23.2	19.0
Hou	15-22	18.0	19.7	15-22	18.0	18.5	17-24	20.0
SA	15-23	19.0	20	15-23	19.0	18.6	17.7-24	19.0
VA	15-23	19.0	19.1	15-23	19.0	18.7	17-22	19.0
Wash	14-23	20.0	20.7	14-23	20.0	19.5	15-26.3	20.0
WVA	13-21.4	17.0	17	13-21.4	17.0	17.0	14-19.4	17.0
Marq	14.8-22	19.0	18.9	14.8-22	19.0	18.6	15.8-22	19.0
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BIG BUMP:thumbup:

ps. look at the range for some schools.......how did someone get into Kent. with an 11 PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I'm loving the post. This thread has lowered my anxiety to some extent. Thank you!:thumbup::thumbup:
 
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DRHOYA said:
BIG BUMP:thumbup:

ps. look at the range for some schools.......how did someone get into Kent. with an 11 PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe the enrollee is a 4.0 student who, on the day of the DAT, had a hangover from too much moonshine the night before.
 
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For the record, I'm sure this thread is at least borderline copyright infringement.

Anyways, I bought the book and have had two problems with these figures:
1) how can you get a decimal on the DAT (talking about ranges and medians here - it shouldn't be possible)?
2) there is no way that so many schools have identical AA and PA ranges, especially when even the seemingly impossible decimal scores match

Does anybody have any sort of an explanation for these, or does the ADEA just have problems making charts?
 
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AA is an average of 5 sections so it could have an even decimal, though I do see at least one 0.9 in there.

Median can be a decimal but since we're dealing with integer scores only on PAT and TS, it could only be a 0.5.

And what year are these for? Are these for the class of 2011? If so I know that the ranges for SB are not correct at all. Several people in my class scored above 22 AA for instance. In fact, if the range goes up to 22, how are the median and mean 22?
 
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Streetwolf said:
AA is an average of 5 sections so it could have an even decimal, though I do see at least one 0.9 in there.

Median can be a decimal but since we're dealing with integer scores only on PAT and TS, it could only be a 0.5.

And what year are these for? Are these for the class of 2011? If so I know that the ranges for SB are not correct at all. Several people in my class scored above 22 AA for instance. In fact, if the range goes up to 22, how are the median and mean 22?
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I'd like to know the answer to above as well.

BTW, nice thread, OP!
 
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With ~1 mil entries that the schools handle for the ~110K applications, ~10K entries submitted to ADEA and entered by ADEA, not to mention the limited op entries, there is plenty of room for incorrect entries. As for the odd decimals, maybe the schools decided to give extra points to those who took the "harder" versions of the DAT. At any rate, for some on SDN knowing the lower limit of the range would be more important than knowing the upper limit. The data are purported to be for the 2011 class.
 
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doc toothache said:
With ~1 mil entries that the schools handle for the ~110K applications, ~10K entries submitted to ADEA and entered by ADEA, not to mention the limited op entries, there is plenty of room for incorrect entries. As for the odd decimals, maybe the schools decided to give extra points to those who took the "harder" versions of the DAT. At any rate, for some on SDN knowing the lower limit of the range would be more important than knowing the upper limit. The data are purported to be for the 2011 class.
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Ah.. I see.. but how would they decide if an applicant took the "harder" version? I think incorrect entries make more sense.

BTW, Do you happen to have access to range of GPA for each school as well?
That would be really helpful! Thanks!:D
 
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1. tables given in ADEA Guide were not copied
2. the information was compiled to create a new table
3. there is no monetary gain from the info provided


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Do you compile these tables yourself? It must be a pain... thank you for doing this.

Even with these tables on SDN, I would still recommend buying the ADEA guide. It's a great quick reference tool for DS stats.
 
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caloriefree said:
Ah.. I see.. but how would they decide if an applicant took the "harder" version? I think incorrect entries make more sense.

BTW, Do you happen to have access to range of GPA for each school as well?
That would be really helpful! Thanks!:D
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The "harder" remark was facetious. Some have been arguing that some versions of the DAT were harder than others and that the DAT has gotten harder the past year.
 
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paul510psu said:
Someone got into Howard with a 12?

Wow... that's nuts
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How can any "school" have an AA of below 16. It is pathetic taht meharry and pp have AA of 15.8 and 15.3 respectively. It doesnt take much talent to get a 15 that means that you get most of the questions in each section wrong. I dont understand how they are allowed to have such low standards. Whats the point in the DAT, screw up and yu can just go to one of those schools. 4 years later you have the same title as someone who worked like a dog for four years.
 
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klutzy1987 said:
How can any "school" have an AA of below 16. It is pathetic taht meharry and pp have AA of 15.8 and 15.3 respectively. It doesnt take much talent to get a 15 that means that you get most of the questions in each section wrong. I dont understand how they are allowed to have such low standards. Whats the point in the DAT, screw up and yu can just go to one of those schools. 4 years later you have the same title as someone who worked like a dog for four years.
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Well, it's easy to get in (as a minority), but no one said it was easy to graduate. Who knows, it may be as didactically and clinically vigorous as any other dental program in the country, and maybe a bunch of people end up dropping out because of the disparity, we don't know that. And besides, I'm sure those schools took the best students they could, and rejected hundreds with lower scores than that lol.
 
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klutzy1987 said:
I am not judging by its cover, I am judging by its aceptance standards. If it has such low standards, then how can such an institution be accredited.
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Because they meet the accreditation standards which have nothing to do with DAT scores.
 
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Anyway to check if these ranges are absolute or if they're interquartile ranges?
 
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dentstd said:
Anyway to check if these ranges are absolute or if they're interquartile ranges?
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Ranges can't be absolute because there are decimals.
Ranges can't be interquartile because some have ridiculously high and/or low 25th and 75th percentiles.
 
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