Great GPA, hopefully above average application, not so good MCAT; what to do?

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3.93 overall
3.86 science
The usual honor societies
Lots of EC stuff / "unique" stuff, dating back many years
TMDSAS already submitted along with secondaries. Applying to all Texas MD programs, excluding Baylor and Paul Foster.

Problem:
January MCAT: 24S (9 PS / 9 VR / 6 BS)
May MCAT: 25R (7 PS / 9 VR / 9 BS)

I have had one person advise that I wait to see if I score any interviews before retaking the MCAT.

What would you do? I'm surprised that I landed a 25; I knew I did crappy in PS, but I thought for sure the other two sections would have been a bit better.

So, retake in July/August for sure, wait for interviews (invites should go out through mid-late July in Texas) and risk missing a timely third retake of the MCAT, try to score up some additional letters while I'm at it, what? If I notify schools of a pending MCAT retake, then my once-really early application (sent to schools 06/11 - first batch) no longer has that advantage, since they'll wait on pending scores, right?

(And no, I'm not applying to DO schools. Nothing against them, but it's not for me.)

Ugh. $.02 much appreciated.
 
Unless you believe you had a major factor (sickness, etc) play into your may 23rd take, I would advise against retaking as quickly as July/Aug. Sure your score might go up, but I would think it would need to go up quite a bit in order to give you a realistic shot at texas md schools.

Based on your scores/ good gpa...it seems to me that you have not mastered the content the mcat tests. I really believe you should be able to hit at least a 29 after content is mastered. You are obviously a good student, so I think there is A LOT of room for improvement with this score. However, given that you have already used one retake, I would suggest taking some time out to focus on nothing other than mcat (at least 6-8 weeks). Try and get the BR Physical science books (they're amazing books but expensive to get). Learn all the bio content cold. Get EK verbal 101 if you havent yet. At this point you need to completely re-evaluate your approach to this test. Really take your time and study your ass off. You will have to withdraw your app and ruin all of your plains, obviously something you did not plan on - it sucks and I'm sorry. But have some confidence and believe that you can beat this test because it is beatable- it just takes time. This is the best advice I think I can give. Good luck with watever you decide to do.

To spare you the MDApps click:

3.93 overall
3.86 science
The usual honor societies
Lots of EC stuff / "unique" stuff, dating back many years
TMDSAS already submitted along with secondaries. Applying to all Texas MD programs, excluding Baylor and Paul Foster.

Problem:
January MCAT: 24S (9 PS / 9 VR / 6 BS)
May MCAT: 25R (7 PS / 9 VR / 9 BS)

I have had one person advise that I wait to see if I score any interviews before retaking the MCAT.

What would you do? I'm surprised that I landed a 25; I knew I did crappy in PS, but I thought for sure the other two sections would have been a bit better.

So, retake in July/August for sure, wait for interviews (invites should go out through mid-late July in Texas) and risk missing a timely third retake of the MCAT, try to score up some additional letters while I'm at it, what? If I notify schools of a pending MCAT retake, then my once-really early application (sent to schools 06/11 - first batch) no longer has that advantage, since they'll wait on pending scores, right?

(And no, I'm not applying to DO schools. Nothing against them, but it's not for me.)

Ugh. $.02 much appreciated.
 
Unless you believe you had a major factor (sickness, etc) play into your may 23rd take, I would advise against retaking as quickly as July/Aug. Sure your score might go up, but I would think it would need to go up quite a bit in order to give you a realistic shot at texas md schools.

Based on your scores/ good gpa...it seems to me that you have not mastered the content the mcat tests. I really believe you should be able to hit at least a 29 after content is mastered. You are obviously a good student, so I think there is A LOT of room for improvement with this score. However, given that you have already used one retake, I would suggest taking some time out to focus on nothing other than mcat (at least 6-8 weeks). Try and get the BR Physical science books (they're amazing books but expensive to get). Learn all the bio content cold. Get EK verbal 101 if you havent yet. At this point you need to completely re-evaluate your approach to this test. Really take your time and study your ass off. You will have to withdraw your app and ruin all of your plains, obviously something you did not plan on - it sucks and I'm sorry. But have some confidence and believe that you can beat this test because it is beatable- it just takes time. This is the best advice I think I can give. Good luck with watever you decide to do.

I appreciate the advice, and I definitely might be taking you up on the review suggestions, but I'm not sure I understand why I should withdraw since I already have everything in and completed. Wouldn't it be better to try and hope for the best? I'll be a reapplicant either way.
 
Yeah, withdrawing is a rather drastic measure at this point.

I do agree you should somehow change your approach to the MCAT but it can most definitely be done in 1-2 months. I assure you. My jump from 32-36 took place over that period. You can definitely go from a 25-30 in that period. No question. Just don't spend much time on SDN is all...pretty much don't do ANYTHING that isn't MCAT. It worked for me...

Keep in mind: Some places will look at your composite scores (i.e. the highest in each section) so in that case, you'd have a 27 total, which people have most DEFINITELY gotten in with.

Also, the usual advice about apply broadly and you're obviously doing well with the "early" part.

Very very best to you, exi.

EDIT: Sometimes a better score on the MCAT comes with a price tag...just something to consider. Unfortunate, but sometimes true...
 
Yeah, withdrawing is a rather drastic measure at this point.

I do agree you should somehow change your approach to the MCAT but it can most definitely be done in 1-2 months. I assure you. My jump from 32-36 took place over that period. You can definitely go from a 25-30 in that period. No question. Just don't spend much time on SDN is all...pretty much don't do ANYTHING that isn't MCAT. It worked for me...

Keep in mind: Some places will look at your composite scores (i.e. the highest in each section) so in that case, you'd have a 27 total, which people have most DEFINITELY gotten in with.

Also, the usual advice about apply broadly and you're obviously doing well with the "early" part.

Very very best to you, exi.

EDIT: Sometimes a better score on the MCAT comes with a price tag...just something to consider. Unfortunate, but sometimes true...

I think that Princetonreview.com has a section that talks about how each school views multiple MCATs. However like everything else on the Princeton Review site, that information might be outdated/ incorrect. From what I have read, not many schools look at composite scores anymore; most of them just look at your most recent score. I went from a 26 to a 34 - check out my mdapplicant profile. Good luck.
 
Yeah, withdrawing is a rather drastic measure at this point.

I do agree you should somehow change your approach to the MCAT but it can most definitely be done in 1-2 months. I assure you. My jump from 32-36 took place over that period. You can definitely go from a 25-30 in that period. No question. Just don't spend much time on SDN is all...pretty much don't do ANYTHING that isn't MCAT. It worked for me...

Keep in mind: Some places will look at your composite scores (i.e. the highest in each section) so in that case, you'd have a 27 total, which people have most DEFINITELY gotten in with.

Also, the usual advice about apply broadly and you're obviously doing well with the "early" part.

Very very best to you, exi.

EDIT: Sometimes a better score on the MCAT comes with a price tag...just something to consider. Unfortunate, but sometimes true...

Thank you, dear. I'm going to check with some admissions offices and see what the word is as far as an early 25 on the MCAT or a few points better one in August/September.

I think that Princetonreview.com has a section that talks about how each school views multiple MCATs. However like everything else on the Princeton Review site, that information might be outdated/ incorrect. From what I have read, not many schools look at composite scores anymore; most of them just look at your most recent score. I went from a 26 to a 34 - check out my mdapplicant profile. Good luck.

Yeah, my understanding was that composite MCATs from multiple administrations is a rarely-seen practice. Good for you on the MCAT jump, though; that's fantastic.

The way I see it, I'll either be registering for a July 10th MCAT if available tomorrow morning and raking myself over the MCAT prep coals for the next few weeks, or going with what I've got now. I hate this shaky middle ground thing... it seems like it's coming down to me forfeiting the benefit of an early app for a better MCAT score vs. risking the lowish MCAT for an app that's not touched until August or September.
 
Your MCAT scores present a fairly serious problem. They may not say it, but schools strongly prefer the high MCAT/low GPA combination over high GPA/low MCAT. They may not say this either, but my guess is that it's b/c the MCAT (a standardized test) correlates better with the USMLE (another standardized test) than does undergraduate GPA. It's similar to why a low GPA/high USMLE medical student can still match into a good residency.

The 7-10-08 MCAT is probably full and would not be a good choice anyways. My advice is to apply as is and take the MCAT as soon as you can after August. You have a chance this year but, if it doesn't work out (which is very possible), you'll be a much stronger applicant next year with an improvement in MCAT scores. A rough goal would be 9 in VR and 10 in each of the Science sections.

There's no need to withdraw your applications. Just stick to the six TX schools you applied to and do not add any others for now (as your MCATs are not competitive). The worst that happens is you get rejected, no interview. If that's the case, hopefully you'll have a much stronger MCAT score next year and will not have spent that much time and money applying this year. Good luck!
 
Your MCAT scores present a fairly serious problem. They may not say it, but schools strongly prefer the high MCAT/low GPA combination over high GPA/low MCAT. They may not say this either, but my guess is that it's b/c the MCAT (a standardized test) correlates better with the USMLE (another standardized test) than does undergraduate GPA. It's similar to why a low GPA/high USMLE medical student can still match into a good residency.

The 7-10-08 MCAT is probably full and would not be a good choice anyways. My advice is to apply as is and take the MCAT as soon as you can after August. You have a chance this year but, if it doesn't work out (which is very possible), you'll be a much stronger applicant next year with an improvement in MCAT scores. A rough goal would be 9 in VR and 10 in each of the Science sections.

There's no need to withdraw your applications. Just stick to the six TX schools you applied to and do not add any others for now (as your MCATs are not competitive). The worst that happens is you get rejected, no interview. If that's the case, hopefully you'll have a much stronger MCAT score next year and will not have spent that much time and money applying this year. Good luck!

Thank you! And yep, I remember reading that; I think someone's sig here on SDN actually cites that article that correlates the MCAT BS section with Step 1 performance. Right now, I'm kind of hoping that the rest of my application - some unique EC stuff, good letters, etc. - covers for me just a bit.

Was considering the 07/18 test date, but that's admittedly a bit soon. The next one after that is 08/05, and I just hate the thought of waiting until early September for scores (and consequently not being reviewed by schools until then). Given that my summer session 1 teaching ends 07/01, that's potentially a whole lot of review time.
 
I'd give it a full month if I were you...it takes a while to effect a big jump like 4 pts.

REALLY focus on your weak points. That was what I most hated doing on my MCAT studying. You have to be really thoughtful. DON'T review anything you already know. Just find things you don't know. Every question you miss is the key to a higher score -- so long as you can figure out how to get it right.

And don't spend any time on SDN, I mean it -- this is a crazy-addictive website which is NOT conducive to MCAT studying. I literally studied 10 hours a day to increase my score and swore off SDN (I had a hell of a time getting it up from my diagnostic, I swear). It was close to torture. But it paid off.

Anyway, I have nothing new to say except the usual. You can do it, exi!
 
Anyway, I have nothing new to say except the usual. You can do it, exi!

Thank you 😍

The plan is to wait a bit, plan for another em-kitty on, say, August 5th, and hope for some interviews until then. Am currently trying to find out if I run a significant risk of rejection until then if I do not schedule/announce a third MCAT.
 
I would definitely spend about 3 months and study my butt off for the MCAT. Even if you get around 29-30, you should get in with your above average GPA.
 
I think that you need to spend a significant amount of time to study for the MCAT. With the large numbers of applicants that we are seeing, I don't see your MCATs as competitive (despite your GPA) enough to get an acceptance even with an interview.

My best advice is to take the exam in Spring 2009 after a long summer and fall studying and doing kaplan / princeton questions. You already have two poor MCAT scores and really need to give yourself the best possible chance at increasing your score. What is the hurry?
 
I think that you need to spend a significant amount of time to study for the MCAT. With the large numbers of applicants that we are seeing, I don't see your MCATs as competitive (despite your GPA) enough to get an acceptance even with an interview.

My best advice is to take the exam in Spring 2009 after a long summer and fall studying and doing kaplan / princeton questions. You already have two poor MCAT scores and really need to give yourself the best possible chance at increasing your score. What is the hurry?

Well, the hurry is that I do not want to be hanging around, doing much of nothing, before actually going to medical school. I graduated 05/2008, so this is in itself a year-long respite for me. That's why I'm kind of itching to do an August MCAT, spend the month+ I've got starting July 3rd hammering the material into my head, and hopefully live happily ever after.
 
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