3.81 bpcm, 3.66 total, MCAT: ?, residence: IL?

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n3xa

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Oh hi! 🙂

BPCM: 3.82 (including post-bacc)
Total undergrad+post-bacc: 3.76
Total grad: 3.23 meh

BS chemistry, math minor
MS organic chemistry (everyone's faaave subject!!!!11)
Post-bacc: After grad school.

LORs: one from my undergraduate research advisor, one from my graduate research advisor, one from my supervisor that I do HIV outreach with, and a committee letter from the post-bacc program


Older Stuff:
  • Researchresearchresearch (01-08) - I've done a fair amount. Worked for 2 years at a small biotech company in an animal lab scraping poop from cages to dosing to running assays. Academic research has been in organic synthesis since 2003, with one project being more "biologically relevant." 2 co-author publications (1 as an undergrad and 1 as a grad student), 1 poster at a national conference, other poster presentations at smaller conferences.
  • Mentor (summer 03-04) - Mentored two high school kids via a summer research program that targets kids who come from economically disadvantaged families. Taught them basic organic chemistry lab techniques/safety (it helps when your chemistry produces some neat-o colors), helped them present their summer research via an oral presentation. Also coordinated group activities with the other high school students doing research at my university (yeaaaah, LN2 ice cream!!!).
  • Awards/fellowships - Two major research fellowships in undergrad and one as a graudate student. Dean's list and some other smaller awards here and there, but those aren't on my primary application.
  • Teaching - taught general chemistry (2 semesters), organic chemistry (1 semesters). And by teaching I mean delivering pre-lab lectures, quizzes, exam review sessions, holding supplemental discussion classes.
Current/upcoming stuff:
  • HIV tester/counselor (current) - 2-4 hr/week since Sept 2009. Left my laptop at a friend's house so I don't know the total # of hours offhand. This volunteer position turned into a paid one involves providing free HIV testing (oral swab), counseling, and safer sex education. We mostly focus on the Asian MSM population, but we encourage anyone and everyone to come get tested! 🙂
  • ER volunteer (current) - 4 hr/week since Sept 2009. I think I'm at ~130 hours now. Patient transport, helped check in admitted patients, chat with doctors, and will be shadowing the same hospital in the fall.
  • Shadowing (future) - Will be doing that in the fall through an internship at my school. Should I update that when my secondaries come through? Seems silly to put that in my primary application when I haven't done a damn thing.
  • Teaching / faculty assistant (current/future) - Same story (organic/gen chem), different school, although I don't get as much freedom as far as developing my own lectures/handouts go. Will be TAing pathophysiology in the fall and hoping to GET more out of it as far as actual teaching is concerned.
Some Questions:

  • State of residence: My parents still live in CA but do not claim me as a dependent. I moved to WI in '06 for graduate school and continued to teach after graduation. I moved to IL for a post-bacc program summer of '09, currently reside here, but have been rather reluctant about getting an IL driver license and did not start working in IL until the beginning of this year. I'm guessing that would either make me an IL resident even though I'm just here for school? Seems like most of my search results come up with answers for those who are still undergrads and are claimed by their parents.
  • Tentative list: Is it too top heavy (even though it's hard to say without an MCAT score)? Schools to add/delete?
  • CA schools: Should I even bother applying to CA schools if I'm not *technically* a resident (see first question)?
  • Holes in my application: While it is what it is and I'm not freaking out about anything, some feedback on things to be prepared to defend/talk about/maybe add would be nice.
If you made it this far, thanks 🙂 😍

-c
 
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It looks to me like you're most likely a resident of Wisconsin since you worked there after graduation (I'm not sure of their exact rules though). To be an Illinois resident, you need to reside in-state for at least a year for nonacademic purposes (or marry someone with residency status already). There is a recent thread in with a link to the rules for California residency: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=9827621&highlight=California+residency#post9827621. Your odds are better in Wisconsin, and would have been better yet in Illinois, had you qualified to be a resident.

Applying without shadowing on your application will hurt you at schools that expect to see it. If you submit before acquiring any, you should advise schools of any pertinent activities through periodic update letters. I'd call this a hole in your application.

The research and teaching look great. The nonmedical community service is wonderful. That all of your clinical experience appears to be of less than a year's duration is another problem for you, but you have nice variety.

Grad school GPA isn't much regarded, so you're good there. Happily, you've done well in your recent post-bac work.

I won't comment on a school list in the absence of an MCAT score, but feel free to BUMP up your post in two days when your score is out.
 
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Ooo damage control.

Well I (surprisingly) tanked on the verbal section royally and I don't think there are all that many schools that take students with that low of a VS. The other two sections were fine.

On one hand, I could rush things, study all summer, take later MCAT dates for this year, and try my hand to get things done by October, but that seems like a waste. I also want to think things through and try and come up with a smarter study plan so I can nail the MCAT once and for all. One huge advantage is that my fall schedule is pretty light compared to last spring and my spring 2011 schedule has nothing but TAing planned. Another plus is that come next year I'll have shadowing under my belt.

As far as state of residence goes, I'll still technically be considered a CA resident whether I apply this year or next year. The only time I was ever living in a state for non-academic purposes was spring 2009.
 
You have an opportunity to plan strategically to improve your chances of acceptance with one year of nonacademics planned (if so). California is not your best choice. Illinois has a more forgiving state school with a bottom tenth percentile for VS of 7 (one of the few) if you should happen to have problems getting your score up. ironically, they also accept a lot of Californians (who pay hefty OOS tuition). Whatever you decide, you must have a paperwork trial that supports your residency since you are of nontraditional age. That means drivers license, state tax filing, voters registration, etc. I've seen applicants asked to produce all that and more, and end up being a resident of NO state for application purposes.

See the MCAT Discussions Forum for strategies on improving VS.
 
11P, 7V, 10B = 28O. Proof that you can practice all you want, but the only score that counts is the one on test day.

I was finished being a full-time student last spring and finished taking credits entirely in the fall. I take my driving test for an IL license next week (yeah I know I should've done it ages ago).

I don't even feel like updating the rest of what I've been up to, but whatever:

  • Shadowing - general surgeon (40 hours - actually scrubbed in for 99% of those cases); urologist (40 hours - passively observed in the OR; actually participated in some of the exams in the clinic); family medicine resident (12 hours and counting still)
  • Mentoring - there's a local high school science competition coming up and my involvement varies from giving feedback on presentations to encouraging students to pipette to actually doing parts of the experiment (one student was nervous, clumsy, and knocked over some buffer)
  • Internship coordinator - I help set up shadowing opportunities for pre-health undergrads and post-baccs at this school, which involves a lot of paperwork, dealing with HR, and talking to health care professionals and students.
  • Publications - Another pub is nice, but my involvement in the project didn't change at all, so whatevs :laugh: The cover did look lovely with our molecule on it though :laugh:

Still teaching, HIV testing, etc etc. Still looking for a third job. :laugh: 🙁

I know that 7 is going to kill me. I don't have the MSAR on me anymore and my eyes are burning and my brain hurts so I'll look up the DO school stats another day.

What a disappointing update, but if you have any sage advice catalystik I'd appreciate it.
 
Hey n3xa, nice score improvement. The VS 7 won't "kill" you the way that a 6 would for MD schools. In Illinois, UIC and Rosalind Franklin are good targets for you, and SIU if you live downstate, though with all the goodies you have to mention in the Experiences section, I wouldn't hesitate to add Rush and Loyola too.

Others with a good OOS acceptance rate you could consider for fit are:
Loma Linda, UKentucky, Creighton, Albany, SUNY Downstate, Hofstra (new), Jefferson, MCW,
Wayne, Buffalo, Toledo, Drexel, Temple, Vermont, VCU, Virginia Tech Carilion (new),
GWU, FIU, Louisville, Tulane, UNevada (from region and [W]WAMI), NYMC, MUSC, SCarolina, EVMS,
Michigan State, Oakland (new).


CCOM is a great school with good clinical training sites. If you yearn to return to California, then their DO schools are reasonable targets.
 
Thanks a lot Cat 🙂 Perhaps I'll have a happy ending like the UC Irvine girl, perhaps not.

The only guarantee you get is if you don't bother applying and I don't do that, so we'll see what happens in 2011. 🙂
 
CCOM is a great school with good clinical training sites. If you yearn to return to California, then their DO schools are reasonable targets.


Hi Cat -

As far as DO goes, I'm looking at:

-CCOM
-PCOM 😍
-NYCOM
-Western

I'm still working my way down my wide net of potential schools to apply to and doing my research, so if you had anymore DO school suggestions I'd appreciate it.

And I guess add in clinical psych research to my resume even though it won't make up for a lower mcat score. 😛
 
Ok Cat, last post before I update this a year from now (with some hopefully good news):

Ok:
Albany Medical College
Rosalind Franklin University's Chicago Medical School
Creighton University
Drexel University
George Washington University
Hofstra Northshore* - new school, no stats
Medical College of Wisconsin
New York Medical College
Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine
Rush Medical College
State University of New York Upstate Medical University
The University of Toledo College of Medicine
University of Louisville
University of Vermont College of Medicine
Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine
Wake Forest University
Wayne State University

Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine
Western University of Health Sciences
New York College of Medicine
Midwestern University College of Osteopathic Medicine
Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine

Reach:
Boston University* - VR 9 bottom 10th
Jefferson Medical College* - VR 9 bottom 10th
Loyola University Stritch School of Medicine* - VR 9 bottom 10th
St. Louis University* - VR 9 bottom 10th
Temple University* - VR 9 bottom 10th
Tufts University* - VR 9 bottom 10th
USC Keck School of Medicine
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
University of Maryland School of Medicine* - VR 9 bottom 10th

Girl, you craycray:
Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine** - VR 9 bottom 10th; 30ish bottom 10th? Y U TELL ME NO MCAT CUTOFF? 😡
UCSF** - VR 9 bottom 10th; 30 bottom 10th



A couple of things:
-Despite the reaches, I think there's a decent enough mix of "ok" here. Thoughts?

-Even though I'm still within budget with this list (I know, life is rough eh), I could stand to trim the fat here. The CA schools I've added because I think it would break my mom's heart again if I didn't at the very least try to get back on the west coast even though I've already warned her how tough it is compared to graduate school. Northwestern was added because of my advisor. SIU's mission isn't in tune with my goals and I actually don't qualify for UIC due to their psych requirement. I'm really not feeling taking an extra psych class for one school at this point.

-So, if anyone knows of any schools that would automatically cut me off due to my mcat score so I can just not bother I'd appreciate it.
 
I think that Wake probably should go in the "reach" category. And, yes, I think you are top heavy with reaches, but that's OK since a) you can afford it, and b) you have a good number of perfectly reasonable schools on your list too.

Another poster recently commented that from a admissions office phone call he found that EVMS and Commonwealth in Pa don't look at the subscores at all. Oakland and FIU have no minimum subscore requirement.

I'm not sure what you're referring to as "mission" for SIU. Two of this year's class matched to California residencies, with others going to Arizona, Florida, UWisconsin, Colorado, Wash U X2. About 55-60% go into primary care (don't have exact figures), including OBGYN and Psych. It's more likely that you wouldn't fit their geographic preference, which is to accept folks residing south of I-80, which is a shame, as I'd think you could be a shoo-in there.
 
Just thought I would chime in here. There are two schools on your list that kind of stand out to me. Those are the University of Louisville and Wayne State University. I know Cat suggested them as good OOS options but just from my experience I have found those schools tend to have an in-state biased.

This is straight from U of L's info booklet: "Kentucky residents are selected for 120 seats in our School of Medicine class of approximately 160. The out of state seats are awarded with consideration given to superior academic achievement and MCAT scores, Kentucky ties (family of history, formerly from KY, attendance at a Kentucky undergraduate institution, regional proximity) and under represented population status."

To my knowledge, Wayne State has a similar thought process when selecting applicants.

I am by no means am saying that you should take them off your list. Obviously, it is important that you apply broadly. I think they are good range schools for you stats-wise. But you have to keep in mind that if you do not have connections to MI or KY those schools will hold you to a higher standard then the average applicant (specifically talking about stats).

Again this is just from my experience dealing with these schools. I just thought it was something that you might want to be aware of.
 
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