Hypovolemia as a reversible cause of PEA

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Arcan57

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Question for the group:

On a medical patient brought to the ED in PEA arrest without an obvious etiology, do you have a set amount of fluid you'll give prior to calling it? Ie, what in your mind constitutes an adequate fluid bolus for ruling out occult hypovolemia as a cause of PEA? I tend to just leave the IVFs wide open and however much goes in prior to the patient failing to respond to other therapies for PEA and then maybe one more round of chest compression (usually about 500ml-1L depending on access). My thought is that hypovolemia is rarely clinically occult, but I wonder what is your practice pattern?
 
If I don't have some objective reason to think of it as a cause, then I don't worry about it too much. Usually they get a couple liters in during the code, and unless I'm thinking HHS/DKA or sepsis, I don't go further.
 
Question for the group:

On a medical patient brought to the ED in PEA arrest without an obvious etiology, do you have a set amount of fluid you'll give prior to calling it? Ie, what in your mind constitutes an adequate fluid bolus for ruling out occult hypovolemia as a cause of PEA? I tend to just leave the IVFs wide open and however much goes in prior to the patient failing to respond to other therapies for PEA and then maybe one more round of chest compression (usually about 500ml-1L depending on access). My thought is that hypovolemia is rarely clinically occult, but I wonder what is your practice pattern?

if it is a concern you could always ultrasound the IVC at the bedside. you can usually get a good indication of fluid status this way and it only takes a few seconds. you can do it when you already have the ultrasound out to rule out tamponade/effusion as a cause for the arrest.
 
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No set amount. They've usually had a L or so by the time they make it in. I do as you do and keep it running until I'm ready to call it. If there was something else making me think hypovolemia like an old person found down after an extended time with really dry mucous membranes I might push it harder but I haven't run into that often in codes.
 
If somebody is hypovolemic to the point of going into PEA - is NS going to help? It would seem that they would need the oxygen carrying capacity of some RBCs to stand a prayer instead of just simple volume - although given the likelihood of survival, not likely a reasonable use of his precious resource. Senior residents / attendings, help!
 
If somebody is hypovolemic to the point of going into PEA - is NS going to help? It would seem that they would need the oxygen carrying capacity of some RBCs to stand a prayer instead of just simple volume - although given the likelihood of survival, not likely a reasonable use of his precious resource. Senior residents / attendings, help!

I think you're answer can be found in the apathy of the above posters' responses (which I agree with).
 
Glad to see I wasn't alone in not aggressively pursuing hypovolemia (I don't have access to an U/S, though that changes next month). It's interesting how many of the causes of PEA we don't routinely treat for, at least not aggressively. I've seen lytics used sporadically, but I don't know anyone who routinely gives them for a PEA arrest, for example.