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TRPMinus said:
Not in love at all. Didn’t want to attend in the first place but what’s done is done
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Jesus then they are you wasting your time?

As for me, I can tell they're "trying", but it's just interested to realize that their job is not to make the best experience for you, just to get kids through. They're the real "meat pushers" of medicine.
 
I like my school a lot more than I thought I would. There are few mandatory lectures and everything is recorded (however we heard recently that the AAMC is going to force our school into being a mostly team based curriculum in years to come, apparently that’s where all MD schools are headed).

At first I was worried that it wouldn’t have enough research opportunities or exposure to competitive specialties but that had not been the case at all. All the physicians in the area are more than happy to let students shadow and I’ve already got set up to help with clinical trials of a medical device. It’s been great.
 
I love my school. The administration are fantastic people and care about student well-being and my classmates are non douchey. We’re not a fancy name but people match successfully into all the most competitive specialties every year. There’s a lot of support for getting students involved in research too.
 
Good days and bad days....depending on the block, it seems like they have no idea whats on step 1 and the lack of logical presentation of material (EX: presenting "Management of ACS" three days before "Acute Coronary Syndrome Pathology" or having more questions on the exam about a specific article from lecture than actual microbio questions associated with that block).

You get the sense that some faculty want you to do as well as you can while others advise you to "just pass the boards, they're not that important" and the rest are completely out of touch with what it takes to get into residency these days. Comes back to the age old adage of "manage yourself"....which my school is decent at letting us do most of the time so I'd give the experience a 7/10 I suppose. We med students by nature are a whiny bunch so maybe my hindsight will be different in a few years when I'm out of here.
 
I would be much happier if I only have to see my classmates 2x per week at most instead of the hidden 3-4x week due to this flipped classroom bs. Let’s also not forget the supposedly mandatory things bc they don’t want to feel disrespected. I start to notice that some profs are getting butt hurt about me not giving a crap about their mandatory policies and willing to take a hit on these supposedly mandatory pts. Most of these people were in a time where all learnings were taught in the classroom and a 220-230 step 1 was considered above average.
 
I'm enjoying M1 a lot, similar to college and a huge improvement over gap year. The preclinical curriculum design is a bit meh in my opinion but the people are great, and it's very very low stress because unranked pass/fail.

Hard to compare to other places when you haven't attended them, though. I might have felt exactly the same somewhere else.
 
Osteoth said:
Jesus then they are you wasting your time?

As for me, I can tell they're "trying", but it's just interested to realize that their job is not to make the best experience for you, just to get kids through. They're the real "meat pushers" of medicine.
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"Meat pushing" is a bit too direct, we prefer "alleviating the primary care shortage."
 
zero0 said:
"Meat pushing" is a bit too direct, we prefer "alleviating the primary care shortage."
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🤣🤣
Too real

68PGunner said:
You should be grateful to have the opportunity to take out 400K in debt and become a Family Med physician. How dare of you to ask for something more?

You could have been on the street begging for changes if you haven't been accepted to med school.
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efle said:
Did someone force them to enroll? It's not hard to find info on debt and residencies before matriculating?
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It's not anything against family practice, but as someone who attends a school that does not teach to the STEP1 curriculum, I take offense with the inefficiencies that are systematically incorporated into our curriculum and make it increasingly difficult for students to excel.

At this level I feel as though the competition is to a point where every little bit counts, and when my institution makes it even just a little bit harder to achieve my goals that is very frustrating.

Having voiced these opinions to administrators, they have given me a version of what was posted above, basically saying that maybe some students don't deserve to reach their goals in regards to the students who aren't smart enough to succeed with these handicaps.

I understand the moral quagmire to teaching to a test, but when everyone knows that the test pretty much defines your life, and many schools give their students an entire year during clinical rotations to prepare and continue to hone their skills, it makes the difference that much more stark.
 
Osteoth said:
🤣🤣
Too real





It's not anything against family practice, but as someone who attends a school that does not teach to the STEP1 curriculum, I take offense with the inefficiencies that are systematically incorporated into our curriculum and make it increasingly difficult for students to excel.

At this level I feel as though the competition is to a point where every little bit counts, and when my institution makes it even just a little bit harder to achieve my goals that is very frustrating.

Having voiced these opinions to administrators, they have given me a version of what was posted above, basically saying that maybe some students don't deserve to reach their goals in regards to the students who aren't smart enough to succeed with these handicaps.

I understand the moral quagmire to teaching to a test, but when everyone knows that the test pretty much defines your life, and many schools give their students an entire year during clinical rotations to prepare and continue to hone their skills, it makes the difference that much more stark.
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I often said that if I do get the residency I want it'll be in spite of my school, not because of it.
 
ask me after match day....

I'm not the biggest fan of my school. Its very protective of students which is nice so its a great learning environment but some more structure and preparation for boards through preclinical would be nice too. Also, don't have friends at other schools so I don't have much to compare it to. No shelfs and no AOA is nice though.

Grass is always greener.
 
Let's say resources like Boards and Beyond / Pathoma / etc. were built out enough to cover all year 1/2 topics. Is it possible that a program could use these resources + q-banks from day 1 to provide students with concise online resources and focus efforts on providing great in-person teaching in anatomy lab, clinic, and research settings? Instead of having a mish-mash of PhD lecturers and crappy courses thrown together. My tuition could even include these board resources instead of having to pay for bad lectures.

-idealistic m1 that knows nothing
 
I’m paying a small fortune to be tortured. I don’t know if I’m actually learning anything about being a doctor, or just turning into some kind of test taking algorithm.

Also, why won’t anatomy just end already?
 
Ho0v-man said:
I’m paying a small fortune to be tortured. I don’t know if I’m actually learning anything about being a doctor, or just turning into some kind of test taking algorithm.

Also, why won’t anatomy just end already?
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^ my exact feeling throughout anatomy
 
always happy boy said:
too much mandatory crap that has no relevance to what we do until third year, piss poor lecturers and course design

but hey we're unranked p/f
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Don't unclench that sphincter just yet, I hear these p/f no ranking schools actually do have a secret internal ranking and reference it in the dean's letter.
 
theonlytycrane said:
Let's say resources like Boards and Beyond / Pathoma / etc. were built out enough to cover all year 1/2 topics. Is it possible that a program could use these resources + q-banks from day 1 to provide students with concise online resources and focus efforts on providing great in-person teaching in anatomy lab, clinic, and research settings? Instead of having a mish-mash of PhD lecturers and crappy courses thrown together. My tuition could even include these board resources instead of having to pay for bad lectures.

-idealistic m1 that knows nothing
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This is literally exactly what they should do. I cannot tell you how frustrated a large majority of my class is over basically this. Wasting time with lack of efficiency and many times pointless lectures. YES I WANT TO BE A HOLISTIC GREAT DOCTOR, but i also wanna score f*ckin high as possible on the boards.

If it was up to me medical school would be entirely online (minus patient exposure) for the pre-clinical years.
 
SunsFun said:
After attending multiple conferences I am convinced that our students are by far the best looking in the country.

A+ very satisfied
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Doesn’t matter if you don’t get play from these eye candies.
 
zero0 said:
Don't unclench that sphincter just yet, I hear these p/f no ranking schools actually do have a secret internal ranking and reference it in the dean's letter.
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This is true for 90% of p/f schools out there. It’s just a lie before you screw you over with some comment about mediocrity at the end of your third year. The great equalizers will be your board scores, your shelf exams, and your LORs from your PD and away rotations. Notice that all schools lie about everything from the beginning with the aim of bending you over in the end, unless you’re just one of those student officers sucking admin bottom from the very beginning.
 
MrChance2 said:
DO school They tried to make as much money as possible without getting shut down.
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Mine is the same. They're raking in money but are incompetent. Zero foresight among university and the com administration. They clearly don't care about students. Most professors are somehow good though.

That said, I chose this school over other do ones for the clinical years. Hopefully I change my mind next year
 
The extent a student’s love for a school can be plotted consistently vs. time.

During the beginning of 1st year, it’s at a relative peak as students are enthusiastic about all the things they heard on interview day and still have all their new classmates on pedestals. Then, students start getting bogged down by minutiae and other people scoring better than them and blame it on their school’s curriculum that focuses on minutiae and the competitive environment.

It rebounds a bit over summer as students start to miss school but then it plummets during second year until it reaches an all-time low during the second semester of second year when LCME-mandated activities interrupt student’s Step 1 studying.

It gradually increases to another relative peak as students get their Step 1s back and realize their school’s curriculum actually wasn’t terrible. It then starts to decline again as students miss honors and blame it on the school’s unfair grading policy and continues to plummet until interview season when they start going to other places and realizing things they took for granted from their home program.

Finally there’s a relative indifference until match day at which a student’s final level satisfaction is directly proportional to the quality of their match.
 
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It's hard to say. I think some of the administrators and professors are pretty nice and helpful. I'm not a fan of my school's location and, tbh, I'm not a fan of a lot of my classmates. I used to think doctors were these super awesome, magical people, but from what I've observed a lot of docs probably fall on the more selfish, neurotic end of the personality spectrum. Many also seem to be deeply insecure, lack self awareness and are weirdly obsessed with proving something (via grades, ranking, knowing more than others, being part of a certain clique) for unknown reasons. It's a really weird environment. This probably isn't unique to my school so it's not really a specific criticism of my med school but the profession in general. It's not all bad though. I just don't think I really fit in with the med school culture and a lot of the personality types that are prevalent in medicine. It bums me out on a regular basis but oh well.
 
bumpy said:
It's hard to say. I think some of the administrators and professors are pretty nice and helpful. I'm not a fan of my school's location and, tbh, I'm not a fan of a lot of my classmates. I used to think doctors were these super awesome, magical people, but from what I've observed a lot of docs probably fall on the more selfish, neurotic end of the personality spectrum. Many also seem to be deeply insecure, lack self awareness and are weirdly obsessed with proving something (via grades, ranking, knowing more than others, being part of a certain clique) for unknown reasons. It's a really weird environment. This probably isn't unique to my school so it's not really a specific criticism of my med school but the profession in general. It's not all bad though. I just don't think I really fit in with the med school culture and a lot of the personality types that are prevalent in medicine. It bums me out on a regular basis but oh well.
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If you want a stranger’s perspective on your introspection, it sounds like you are just like the people you seem like you don’t fit in with. If you were someone who didn’t care about this stuff, you would ignore it and see it as humorous. The fact that this bothers you so much that it burns you out speaks to your values as well. This may or may not apply to you specifically but ya what I’ve noted in people who complain about this.
 
Syncrohnize said:
If you want a stranger’s perspective on your introspection, it sounds like you are just like the people you seem like you don’t fit in with. If you were someone who didn’t care about this stuff, you would ignore it and see it as humorous. The fact that this bothers you so much that it burns you out speaks to your values as well. This may or may not apply to you specifically but ya what I’ve noted in people who complain about this.
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You are so right. I noticed some personality traits in many of my classmates and, thus, I must be talking about myself. Thank you for helping illuminate the darkness and open my eyes to who I really am. Blessings be upon you.
 
bumpy said:
You are so right. I noticed some personality traits in many of my classmates and, thus, I must be talking about myself. Thank you for helping illuminate the darkness and open my eyes to who I really am. Blessings be upon you.
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Whatever you say. Just doesn’t make sense to be bothered by something that you claim to be indifferent to.
 
zero0 said:
I often said that if I do get the residency I want it'll be in spite of my school, not because of it.
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Yup feel teh same way.

theonlytycrane said:
Let's say resources like Boards and Beyond / Pathoma / etc. were built out enough to cover all year 1/2 topics. Is it possible that a program could use these resources + q-banks from day 1 to provide students with concise online resources and focus efforts on providing great in-person teaching in anatomy lab, clinic, and research settings? Instead of having a mish-mash of PhD lecturers and crappy courses thrown together. My tuition could even include these board resources instead of having to pay for bad lectures.

-idealistic m1 that knows nothing
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One day, when we rule the world...

always happy boy said:
too much mandatory crap that has no relevance to what we do until third year, piss poor lecturers and course design

but hey we're unranked p/f
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Oh you think that will protect you eh?

fa21212 said:
Can you please tell me which med schools you go to?
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Lul nice try school administrator.

zero0 said:
Don't unclench that sphincter just yet, I hear these p/f no ranking schools actually do have a secret internal ranking and reference it in the dean's letter.
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There it is.

SunsFun said:
After attending multiple conferences I am convinced that our students are by far the best looking in the country.

A+ very satisfied
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Well thats something.

68PGunner said:
This is true for 90% of p/f schools out there. It’s just a lie before you screw you over with some comment about mediocrity at the end of your third year. The great equalizers will be your board scores, your shelf exams, and your LORs from your PD and away rotations. Notice that all schools lie about everything from the beginning with the aim of bending you over in the end, unless you’re just one of those student officers sucking admin bottom from the very beginning.
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Ffs why's it gotta be like this? Why can't the administrators just tell us some version of the truth?

Syncrohnize said:
The extent a student’s love for a school can be plotted consistently vs. time.

During the beginning of 1st year, it’s at a relative peak as students are enthusiastic about all the things they heard on interview day and still have all their new classmates on pedestals. Then, students start getting bogged down by minutiae and other people scoring better than them and blame it on their school’s curriculum that focuses on minutiae and the competitive environment.

It rebounds a bit over summer as students start to miss school but then it plummets during second year until it reaches an all-time low during the second semester of second year when LCME-mandated activities interrupt student’s Step 1 studying.

It gradually increases to another relative peak as students get their Step 1s back and realize their school’s curriculum actually wasn’t terrible. It then starts to decline again as students miss honors and blame it on the school’s unfair grading policy and continues to plummet until interview season when they start going to other places and realizing things they took for granted from their home program.

Finally there’s a relative indifference until match day at which a student’s final level satisfaction is directly proportional to the quality of their match.
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Well this is an investment after all, should be measured by ROI.
 
i like it more than i thought it would. wasn't my number 1 choice and i do feel its a very competitive atmosphere bc there's no pass/fail.. but i do feel im getting well prepared for the boards, started Rx/Kaplan/Uworld from day 1, most exams NBME, and there's only a combined ~6 hours of mandatory class per week. and i get to live at home with parents and will be in ~120k debt at graduation, so i guess im lucky lol
 
Syncrohnize said:
Whatever you say. Just doesn’t make sense to be bothered by something that you claim to be indifferent to.
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I get what you're trying to say in theory, but I think it's really dismissive in delivery. I feel similarly to @bumpy and the feelings of disappointment are from not feeling like I fit in and wanting to find "my people" in the crowd. To be clear, I'm still trying to find them and I hope I will before 4 years are up

Maybe if I was lucky enough to be at a school where my parents or old friends lived close by I'd feel differently but it can be lonely being states over and realizing most of the student population is the stereotype. Just saying, there are a lot of kids who say"laugh it off" that seem to have the privilege of having local support systems.

Let's all just try not to be so judgey, especially when someone's expressing disillusionment or something similar. It's fair and should be explored not stifled
 
sammiesings said:
I get what you're trying to say in theory, but I think it's really dismissive in delivery. I feel similarly to @bumpy and the feelings of disappointment are from not feeling like I fit in and wanting to find "my people" in the crowd. To be clear, I'm still trying to find them and I hope I will before 4 years are up

Maybe if I was lucky enough to be at a school where my parents or old friends lived close by I'd feel differently but it can be lonely being states over and realizing most of the student population is the stereotype. Just saying, there are a lot of kids who say"laugh it off" that seem to have the privilege of having local support systems.

Let's all just try not to be so judgey, especially when someone's expressing disillusionment or something similar. It's fair and should be explored not stifled
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It's a pretty common and dissapointing theme on these forums, especially this MD students subforum. Imagine a patient coming in with those complaints

"ha! So you do care you hypocrite!! Just brush it off like the rest of us"

yes I know I'm enacting XYZ law or whatever. sue me
 
Definitely like my school for the most part. Would give it a 9/10, it was my 1st choice. Biggest complant besides the standard M1/M2 complaints (teaching more towards boards) would be that I’m just not a big fan of the location. If i could pick up my school and move it somewhere else I’d be more than content. Oh yeah and new building would be nice, but obviously not necessary. But resources wise definitely not much more I could ask for.

Most of my classmates are quite friendly and helpful, some absolutely solid professors and some professors that should probably stick to the lab. Some administrators open to suggestion and more than willing to help, some not so much.

The closer i get to the end of the semester the more cynical and “complain-y” i get, but I’d say I’m quite happy with my choice as far as happiness in med school can go.
 
sammiesings said:
I get what you're trying to say in theory, but I think it's really dismissive in delivery. I feel similarly to @bumpy and the feelings of disappointment are from not feeling like I fit in and wanting to find "my people" in the crowd. To be clear, I'm still trying to find them and I hope I will before 4 years are up

Maybe if I was lucky enough to be at a school where my parents or old friends lived close by I'd feel differently but it can be lonely being states over and realizing most of the student population is the stereotype. Just saying, there are a lot of kids who say"laugh it off" that seem to have the privilege of having local support systems.

Let's all just try not to be so judgey, especially when someone's expressing disillusionment or something similar. It's fair and should be explored not stifled
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Well, the thing was he was referring to students as super competitive/unpleasant many times and I’ve done the same only to realize upon introspection my own attitude was part of the problem. I’m sure if he or she directed his or her thoughts at actual people, they would be pretty upset and generalizations would be untrue. At the end of the day I don’t know Bumpy and suppose the later part of what I said was kind of rough in retrospect so sorry about that,@bumpy.
 
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I love mine! Great people and really good education. 10/10 times I would choose my school again.
 
Syncrohnize said:
Well, the thing was he was referring to students as super competitive/unpleasant many times and I’ve done the same only to realize upon introspection my own attitude was part of the problem. I’m sure if he or she directed his or her thoughts to actual people they would be pretty upset as well. At the end of the day I don’t know Bumpy and suppose the later part of what I said was kind of rough in retrospect so sorry about that,@bumpy.
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I totally get that. I was projecting when I interpreted his remarks the way that I did based on how I feel and it seems like you did the same. It sounds like we interpreted him/her very differently based on our own experiences/feelings lol.

Props to you for recognizing your tone but thanks for elaborating on how you feel. Definitely a different but just as valid a point as what I was getting at.
 
I would choose it again, even though I will be happy to leave the area upon graduation.

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