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I apologize if I come off a little naive here but, why gamble your chances going to a Caribbean school when one could move to Mississippi (after establishing resident status after a year) and apply to the University of Mississippi? I was looking at the data from the aamc and they get something like 406 applications and pretty much exclusively accept instate residents. They matriculate 155 students. That equates to almost a 40% acceptance rate! Where else are you gonna have those odds of obtaining a US MD?

During that year waiting to get resident status, one could obtain clinical experience/work/retake mcat or what have you. I know this sounds crazy, but if you won’t stop at anything to obtain a US MD would you consider this?
 
bluemamba7 said:
I feel like if you have to get up and physically move to a different state to have a chance at an MD school, you will probably be among the 60% that don’t get in...
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Yeah that’s exactly my point. This would be for reapplicants that have failed to get into MD/DO programs.
 
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Oso said:
One could also apply DO instead of going Caribbean ...
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Assuming they failed to get into both and are considering the Caribbean as their only viable option
 
soysizle said:
Assuming they failed to get into both and are considering the Caribbean as their only viable option
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If they applied and failed to get into MD schools and DO schools (which can be forgiving and favor reinvention), I don't see how this person would be among the 40% of applicants admitted to U Mississippi. I feel like their best option would be to work on their GPA/MCAT and apply broadly to DO schools. Not trying to argue with you OP, just sharing my thoughts!
 
Oso said:
If they applied and failed to get into MD schools and DO schools (which can be forgiving and favor reinvention), I don't see how this person would be among the 40% of applicants admitted to U Mississippi. I feel like their best option would be to work on their GPA/MCAT and apply broadly to DO schools. Not trying to argue with you OP, just sharing my thoughts!
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Yeah I totally get you. Maybe this crazy idea would only apply for those MD or nothing kind of people lol
 
If you look at the number of IS applicants in Texas and the number of IS acceptances in Texas the acceptance rate is above 40%, yet each school has a sub 5% acceptance rate. Something like 4000 applicants and almost 2000 get in. Why is this? Well, everyone applies to all of the schools since it is a flat fee with TMDSAS, so the overall acceptance rate of the state is the same as the sum total of the acceptance rates for the individual schools (10 schools * ~4% acceptance rates).

If you are not a Texas resident but make a good school list, maybe this plays out similarly across the rest of the country. Then all you have to worry about is making the top half of applicants overall. It's hard to know since there are so many cases and variables, but I think we psych ourselves out about how difficult it is to get accepted. If students were applying to only a few schools instead of 20+ being the common standard, acceptance rates would go way up comparatively. What are the numbers for overall acceptance rates in the US? Are they out there?
 
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If you look at the number of IS applicants in Texas and the number of IS acceptances in Texas the acceptance rate is above 40%, yet each school has a sub 5% acceptance rate. Something like 4000 applicants and almost 2000 get in. Why is this? Well, everyone applies to all of the schools since it is a flat fee with TMDSAS, so the overall acceptance rate of the state is the same as the sum total of the acceptance rates for the individual schools (10 schools * ~4% acceptance rates).

If you are not a Texas resident but make a good school list, maybe this plays out similarly across the rest of the country. Then all you have to worry about is making the top half of applicants overall. It's hard to know since there are so many cases and variables, but I think we psych ourselves out about how difficult it is to get accepted. If students were applying to only a few schools instead of 20+ being the common standard, acceptance rates would go way up comparatively. What are the numbers for overall acceptance rates in the US? Are they out there?
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Texas matriculated about 25% (29? Something sub-30) of about 5700 applicants last year. It is not uncommon to receive multiple acceptances in Texas because of the match system. About 5/6 of applicants on TMDSAS were IS.

Additionally, I don’t think any of the Texas medical schools are sub-5%. They all range between 5% (UTSW, but I believe they’re slightly higher like 7%) and 10% (TCOM and others) depending on the school. Remember that matriculation =/= acceptance.
 
raf1ki said:
If you look at the number of IS applicants in Texas and the number of IS acceptances in Texas the acceptance rate is above 40%, yet each school has a sub 5% acceptance rate. Something like 4000 applicants and almost 2000 get in. Why is this? Well, everyone applies to all of the schools since it is a flat fee with TMDSAS, so the overall acceptance rate of the state is the same as the sum total of the acceptance rates for the individual schools (10 schools * ~4% acceptance rates).

If you are not a Texas resident but make a good school list, maybe this plays out similarly across the rest of the country. Then all you have to worry about is making the top half of applicants overall. It's hard to know since there are so many cases and variables, but I think we psych ourselves out about how difficult it is to get accepted. If students were applying to only a few schools instead of 20+ being the common standard, acceptance rates would go way up comparatively. What are the numbers for overall acceptance rates in the US? Are they out there?
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Here’s a bunch of data for 2017-2018 cycle
Applicants and Matriculants Data - FACTS: Applicants, Matriculants, Enrollment, Graduates, MD/PhD, and Residency Applicants Data - Data and Analysis - AAMC
 
Isoval said:
Texas matriculated about 25% (29? Something sub-30) of about 5700 applicants last year. It is not uncommon to receive multiple acceptances in Texas because of the match system. About 5/6 of applicants on TMDSAS were IS.

Additionally, I don’t think any of the Texas medical schools are sub-5%. They all range between 5% (UTSW, but I believe they’re slightly higher like 7%) and 10% (TCOM and others) depending on the school. Remember that matriculation =/= acceptance.
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That's correct, but I specified in-state (IS) applicants and matriculants. Good point about making that distinction. Here are the latest numbers from TMDSAS:
https://www.tmdsas.com/Forms/EY17FinalMedStats.pdf

My estimates were close. 37% matriculation rate for IS applicants. I'm not sure why, but I believe adding the acceptance rates up brings us very close to the same percentage, but maybe I'm just pulling that out of my ass. Doesn't the match system allow schools to report an acceptance number that is very close to the matriculation number? That would explain it.
 
soysizle said:
I apologize if I come off a little naive here but, why gamble your chances going to a Caribbean school when one could move to Mississippi (after establishing resident status after a year) and apply to the University of Mississippi? I was looking at the data from the aamc and they get something like 406 applications and pretty much exclusively accept instate residents. They matriculate 155 students. That equates to almost a 40% acceptance rate! Where else are you gonna have those odds of obtaining a US MD?

During that year waiting to get resident status, one could obtain clinical experience/work/retake mcat or what have you. I know this sounds crazy, but if you won’t stop at anything to obtain a US MD would you consider this?
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Actually, matriculation rate is 40%. Accepts are usually 2-3x higher. People simply decide to go elsewhere.

Chances of getting IIs are higher in NM, ND NE, and SD, and matriculation rates are ~ the same as MS. It is harder for people in my state to get into our school, than it is for the natives of the lucky states to get into their state schools.
 
I would think it better to move to a state with high 40%+ acceptance rate, establish residency (need to find employment though), and get into a US MD school. Much less risky option than going to the Carribean. If you're from Calif where the in-state acceptance rate is very low, your best odds of attending a US MD school is to move out of state first. Plus you get to pay in-state tuition too, makes financial sense even if takes 1 or 2 years to get new state residency.
 
Whale said:
I would think it better to move to a state with high 40%+ acceptance rate, establish residency (need to find employment though), and get into a US MD school. Much less risky option than going to the Carribean. If you're from Calif where the in-state acceptance rate is very low, your best odds of attending a US MD school is to move out of state first. Plus you get to pay in-state tuition too, makes financial sense even if takes 1 or 2 years to get new state residency.
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This may just be me here, but I would think it would be easier and more economically efficient to work hard for a few years, get good grades, slay the MCAT, and get good experience. I will GUARANTEE that if you do those 4 things, you will at least get into a DO, if not MD. To me that seems way more realistic and a lot less of a HA than moving to a different state and not changing anything about your EC, grades and MCAT (also a much BIGGER risk if things don’t work out)
 
bluemamba7 said:
This may just be me here, but I would think it would be easier and more economically efficient to work hard for a few years, get good grades, slay the MCAT, and get good experience. I will GUARANTEE that if you do those 4 things, you will at least get into a DO, if not MD. To me that seems way more realistic and a lot less of a HA than moving to a different state and not changing anything about your EC, grades and MCAT (also a much BIGGER risk if things don’t work out)
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Very true always need to improve your application. But if you are willing to attend an out of state medical school anyway, why not move out of state, improve your application while you're out of state, and pay in-state tuition when you got into that state's med school?
Yeah it would only be good idea if your home state med school acceptance rate is very low, like Calif is only around 10% for applicants to get into any in-state med school, vs texas 35% and other states 40%
 
Another thing to think about is that most schools that I have heard of determine that you are an in-state applicant when you submit your application.

Thus, you would most likely have to move to Mississippi, wait a year, and then apply to get the in-state status. You're then wasting 2 years (when you could apply to the Caribbean today and start school in a few months, I believe).

Also, it's a risk because who knows if they would really consider you as an in-state applicant. You would probably want to call admissions and see how they determine how someone qualifies as an in-state applicant before moving all the way to Mississippi and banking on that.
 
Direct quote off of the U of Mississippi admissions page: "Moving to this state alone does not signify a commitment to practice in Mississippi. Applicants who recently move to Mississippi will be evaluated by the medical school admissions committee for their motivation to move and possible ties to this state."

So yeah, go ahead and move, but be aware that the "lucky states" have medical schools are looking for students who are connected to the state. So you'll be viewed better than a non-resident but don't be delusional. You're application isn't going to be viewed in the same light as someone who grew up in the state or have meaningful connections there.
 
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