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Applying to both MD and DO is very popular. The sooner the better. You are definitely a candidate for an allopathic seat, but you are far from a sure thing. I would apply to more than just two D.O schools, and apply with the same vigor as your MD schools.
 
AcesCracked said:
Applying to both MD and DO is very popular. The sooner the better. You are definitely a candidate for an allopathic seat, but you are far from a sure thing. I would apply to more than just two D.O schools, and apply with the same vigor as your MD schools.
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Thank you for the advice.
 
Yes absolutely do it, at some point you have to come to terms with your grades and scores and take what you can get and just begin your medical career no matter what the degree is MD or DO
 
puahate said:
URM, sGPA: 3.5 MCAT: 510

Most people are saying I should not have to apply to DO. My MD school list is decently risky but looking at statistics I think I can afford the risk. To mitigate risk has anyone here applied to DO just for "insurance"?

Hypothetically, I would apply to one or two target DOs that I have state ties with.

Also because DOs have acceptance deadlines sooner than MD I would have to pay the deposit sooner. Should I apply early then for DO or should I apply later?
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There are three classes of people who apply to DO schools:
1) Those who know up front that their stats won't get them into an MD school
2) Those with health conditions who were helped by DOs (rare)
3) Those who have a failed MD cycle, then go for DO in subsequent cycles
4) Those who go for both MD and DO in the same or later cycles, and are using DO as insurance.

We know most people are in groups 3 and 4.

We don't take it personally.

IF you wish to go for DO, please send an app to my school, somewhere west of the Missouri River.
 
Goro said:
There are three classes of people who apply to DO schools:
1) Those who know up front that their stats won't get them into an MD school
2) Those with health conditions who were helped by DOs (rare)
3) Those who have a failed MD cycle, then go for DO in subsequent cycles
4) Those who go for both MD and DO in the same or later cycles, and are using DO as insurance.

We know most people are in groups 3 and 4.

We don't take it personally.

IF you wish to go for DO, please send an app to my school, somewhere west of the Missouri River.
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(5) Those from CA
 
You'll get an MD acceptance. If you want then choose your favorite 5 DO schools. If you do, be ready to attend if it's your only acceptance (although I'll eat my shoe if you only get a DO acceptance).
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
You'll get an MD acceptance. If you want then choose your favorite 5 DO schools. If you do, be ready to attend if it's your only acceptance (although I'll eat my shoe if you only get a DO acceptance).
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Most people I am consulting with agree with you. Thank you for your advice.
 
Medic741 said:
(6) and NY
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(7) and those of us who probably could have gotten into an MD but were too lazy to do apps for both so just applied DO? And want to do primary care so DO seemed like a nice path of least resistance? Am I the only one?
 
DOhopeful58 said:
(7) and those of us who probably could have gotten into an MD but were too lazy to do apps for both so just applied DO? And want to do primary care so DO seemed like a nice path of least resistance? Am I the only one?
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You're probably the only one lol. There are those of us who had borderline stats and didn't want to waste a year re-studying for the MCAT or something, but I think most of us still applied to both...
 
DrStephenStrange said:
Lol true. But also depends on if your teachers make it fun or not.

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Nah, spending 2 hours in lab when you have a test in a few days can never be made fun.

Saving grace would be if we were able to pick our own treatments to demonstrate on CPAs like some schools allow you to do.
 
DOhopeful58 said:
(7) and those of us who probably could have gotten into an MD but were too lazy to do apps for both so just applied DO? And want to do primary care so DO seemed like a nice path of least resistance? Am I the only one?
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This is a dumb decision that you will regret for years to come.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This is a dumb decision that you will regret for years to come.
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Lols I don't think I will, like I said I'm planning to do primary care (likely family med) near where I grew up in the Midwest. Plenty of DOs doing that here who went to the school I'm going to. I totally understand DO isn't a good choice for everyone though, especially those interested in competitive specialties! Not advocating for following in my footsteps haha 🙂
 
DOhopeful58 said:
Lols I don't think I will, like I said I'm planning to do primary care (likely family med) near where I grew up in the Midwest. Plenty of DOs doing that here who went to the school I'm going to. I totally understand DO isn't a good choice for everyone though, especially those interested in competitive specialties! Not advocating for following in my footsteps haha 🙂
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I for sure hope you don't end up falling in love with another more competitive specialty during your clinical years.

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fldoctorgirl said:
Nah, spending 2 hours in lab when you have a test in a few days can never be made fun.

Saving grace would be if we were able to pick our own treatments to demonstrate on CPAs like some schools allow you to do.
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This. On an already heavy day OMM plus anatomy lab is awful
 
DOhopeful58 said:
Lols I don't think I will, like I said I'm planning to do primary care (likely family med) near where I grew up in the Midwest. Plenty of DOs doing that here who went to the school I'm going to. I totally understand DO isn't a good choice for everyone though, especially those interested in competitive specialties! Not advocating for following in my footsteps haha 🙂
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You will when you realize that you are a professional medical student and a professor tries to convince you that cranial is a real thing. Even more so when you realize that 20% of your legal licensing exam is on a topic that is almost completely pseudoscience.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
You will when you realize that you are a professional medical student and a professor tries to convince you that cranial is a real thing. Even more so when you realize that 20% of your legal licensing exam is on a topic that is almost completely pseudoscience.
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Better to think of it as a tax on your wanting to be a doctor. Or a punishment for not getting MD-caliber stats.
 
Even with DO, you can do IM and fellowships. It’s not the end of the world, just easier with MD. I love how everyone makes it seem like you have one path as a DO. I have many friends and colleagues that chose DO for many reasons, they all specialize (two as ortho spine docs, one derm, sure, cardio, and many other tough specialties). Don’t start your education with a wall up.
 
TheStudyOfLife said:
Sorry that you're miserable and ashamed about the last two letters at the end of your name you'll receive upon graduation from your DO program.
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I'm not, I'm proud that I will be a doctor. It's an utter joke to think that there is any special "philosophy" associated with DOs. You'll see that when you actually start school. "Holistic medicine" is taught everywhere. We are no different from MDs except our leadership organizations bury their collective heads in the sand and continue to try and spout how different we are and bash MDs and refuse to let go of archaic pseudoscience. On top of that they continue to run our degree into the ground by green lighting new schools with literally zero GME or respectable clinical ed and then try and tell everyone how great everything is.
 
TheStudyOfLife said:
Sorry that you're miserable and ashamed about the last two letters at the end of your name you'll receive upon graduation from your DO program.
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DOs don't have any sort of philosophy that you speak of. They have omm which is just wacky wizardry.
 
TheStudyOfLife said:
It's talk like this on these boards that continues to create and promote an environment that sets DO's lower than MD.
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No, it's the fact that we accept pseudoscience as fact even when it flies in the face of everything we know of anatomy. Our respect in the MD world would go up instantly if the AOA renounced stuff like cranial and chapman's points, but they refuse. How about instead of opening a ton of crappy new schools we focus on bettering the ones we currently have, focus on opening new GME, improve research output, and better the clinical rotations at many of the schools? But no, instead we have chosen to dilute medical education and make money by opening schools in places that don't need it and in a bunch of warehouses. DO schools refuse to improve and better themselves.

Yeah.... me pointing out the hypocrisy in the DO world is the problem. Have fun drinking that Kool-aid with your head in the sand. You haven't even started yet. I get it, you're excited to start and get a medical degree. Get back here when you have to study cranial for your medical licensing exam, take two licensing exams, and realize that your governing body doesn't give two craps about your career and only cares about lining their own pockets.

I am proud of my school and that I will be a doctor, I'm getting a great education. However I call it like I see it, and the AOA is selling us a cow pie all while attempting to convince us it's coconut cream.
 
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TheStudyOfLife said:
It's talk like this on these boards that continues to create and promote an environment that sets DO's lower than MD.
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Hyperbole...a small community of people posting their opinions on forums is not the cause of this brah...

It's all these new DO schools that COCA is green lighting that is diluting the profession and setting DOs further behind their MD counterparts.
 
Shotapp said:
Hyperbole...a small community of people posting their opinions on forums is not the cause of this brah...

It's all these new DO schools that COCA is green lighting that is diluting the profession and setting DOs further behind their MD counterparts.
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But MD schools is also multiplying, but no one talks about them. Not that I'm for the opening of a bunch of new schools, but as our population grows we will actually need more doctors. The only thing we need to work on is the quality of our clinical educations during 3rd and 4th years.

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DrStephenStrange said:
Most of everything we do in medicine right now started as pseudoscience before someone proved it was real.

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And yet even after 100 years we are still teaching things that are literally 100% wrong. There are aspects of OMM that are ok, the ME, MSK stuff is essentially minor PT. However, until we get rid of the stuff that is complete garbage then none of OMM can be taken seriously.

DrStephenStrange said:
But MD schools is also multiplying, but no one talks about them. Not that I'm for the opening of a bunch of new schools, but as our population grows we will actually need more doctors. The only thing we need to work on is the quality of our clinical educations during 3rd and 4th years.
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Yes we do actually, and while I don't like it either there is a difference. The difference is that MD schools open with very small class sizes, start opening GME pretty quickly, and because their class sizes are smaller their rotations are generally better. To start a DO school you don't even have to have rotations set up yet...

And there is the lie. More medical schools does not mean more doctors. The number of doctors only changes if the number of residencies change. There is a finite amount of patients in this country. To have a good 3rd/4th year a student needs to be exposed to a broad range of pathologies to build their foundational knowledge, and stuffing students in an outpatient IM clinic for their IM rotation (happens at a large number of DO schools) is not adequate.
 
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