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One class? Don't most schools usually say you can fail a max of 2? At my school, when you fail your third class, that's when they ask you to repeat the year. But they never dismiss you, unless you fail the repeat year too I'm assuming.
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I don't want to go too much into your personal life but could you explain more on what happened; this is one of my biggest fears is being dismissed from dental school and having meaningless debt. The worst case scenario being when you're in your fourth year as a dental student and they dismiss you, all that hard work for nothing!
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What school do you go to? I dont wanna go to your school
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Don't do poorly and you wont get dismissed... The time you spend grinding will show with your grades.
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But that's easier said than done. Some people do better in certain subjects than others. Has nothing to do with how long they are studying. I have friends who are terrible in subjects like histo (and they went to study review sessions, spent all day at the library, literally drowned themselves in histo), but were able to scrape by and pass by guessing correctly on 1-2 questions on the final exam. I'm sure OP put the work in.
OP-- I asked because maybe there is a way to fight this. You should bring up that it isn't like this at other schools so they should give you an opportunity to remediate the course again and move onto the second year.
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Depends on why you were dismissed. Were you dismissed because you failed or because you got caught cheating? If it's academic dishonesty, it only takes one class. You probably won't get back in unless you got connections and/or considered untouchable due to your connections/racial demographic.
Also, another factor is if this one class is part of a series, whether it's a "comprehensive/integrated" course or individual course, and/or many others failed. If a lot of people failed that one class, you're less likely to get dismissed. If it's an individual course, less likely to get dismissed. If it's part of a series, more likely to get held back if they offer no remediation.
It's all on the context of why you got dismissed and the circumstances of the course itself.
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This sounds like NYU
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How badly do you want to get back in? Do you have any appeals left in the academic judiciary/committee? Either you lawyer up with someone who knows the academic disciplinary process (or aggressive enough to claim discrimination, ADA, sexual harassment/assault by faculty, or some other "reasons" I wouldn't know about) or try applying elsewhere. I don't think most places will accept you if you reapply elsewhere, especially for poor performance (even if it's just one class), because they want to make sure that their incoming class stats/pass rates aren't tainted either.
Normally, if a lot of people failed in a normal school, the academic committee would investigate as to why so many people failed before doling out significant punishments. If it's a for-profit school (which my guess is NYU due to what I've heard even in the old days), they are most likely just clearing out ranks to make room for IDS that have cash money to give to the school.
If I had to choose, I'd rather resign than get fired/dismissed from the school. If you had a good reason to leave (such as caring for your last terminally ill parent who's still alive but 90 days to live and they wouldn't let you take a sabbatical to spend the last final moments with your parents, etc...), I think schools would be more understanding. If you were dismissed for any kind of poor academic performance, I think getting back in is going to be extremely difficult unless you had money or connections to buy your way in.
Edit: It reminds me of the old saying: You can't fire me, I quit!
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Schools are less likely to take you because why take someone who's potentially broken v. someone who has a better or no track record. Even if it was just one class, even if you almost passed, you have to think like an ADCOM. With a huge amount of applications that they have, why should we take someone who was ejected from a dental school and why should we hear him/her out. Pretty much, there's a lot of people who don't need "fixing".
However, if your stats were good enough to get into a dental school, I think you'll pass the initial automated screenings of dental school. The difficulty will be explaining what happened without making it seem like you're a liability to the next institution that takes you or making excuses. Unless there's an autoreject filter for those that have been previously admitted to dental school, you should make it to the interview stage.
So, from a strategic approach, if you reapply, you can either choose to omit this part of your life unless explicitly asked about it in your app OR tackle it upfront. If you omit, you might get nailed for intentional omission, but if you admit, you might not even make it to the interviews. This is my take on either approach. I think it's key to be able to make it to the interview to be able explain yourself if asked. Otherwise, in written form, it's easier for them to say no, why bother with this candidate when we got 100's of other candidates that haven't demonstrated that they have failed dental school.
I don't want to be a debbie downer, but that's my take on your situation. If no one offers you an interview, you just got blackballed from dentistry.
Edit: Based on my previous post, I think it's better to have quit than to have been kicked out. Quitting for an extremely good reason is much better than getting kicked out for not being good enough to that school's standards. I think there's a few people who have gone to other dental schools, I don't recall under what context, but you may want to reach out to them.
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If you failed a class, it means you didn't actually finish the year so even if you were to transfer (a long shot nowadays, since none of the schools are lacking applicants) you would not be able to do so as a D2.
I agree making you repeat the whole year is dumb, but if that is the only option there's no way around it.. Is it possible to take them up on that offer again or is that not an option anymore?
I agree making you repeat the whole year is dumb, but if that is the only option there's no way around it.. Is it possible to take them up on that offer again or is that not an option anymore?
That means I have to go back to NYU which I am trying to avoid. I dont see NYU as an option for the way I learn. They just accept 400 students without offering any help. Not to mention they dont even have anyone on campus who you can even go and talk to in times of stress. Someone killed themselves few months ago! Its a toxic environment!
I really really want to go and finish my studies! I dont know anyone who has been in this situation, hence why I wrote here to find someone! If you know anyone please let me know so I can seek their advice and help!
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These statements alone provide concern on whether you capable of learning and handling stress in most dental school environments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you expecting support and faculty to hold your hand during the dental school process? From my experience, it doesn't happen unless you're a very attractive individual (mostly females in a male-dominated environment tend to benefit) or a protected class. If you do expect support, I would probably not just ask about looking for someone who's been in the same situation, but also a learning environment in which you are treated like a human being/coddled.
Hindsight being 20/20, you could have possibly used that suicide as an excuse as to why your performance dropped, especially if the school made a big deal about it and didn't provide "grief counselors" or whatever ways people use to cope.
I'm lazy to look through SDN right now, but search "failed dental school" w/ or w/o quotes on the search box above and you should find your answers.