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No, there is nothing you can do. It’ll catch up to him. And you have to have obvious proof of cheating for the school to take action. Do they? Or is it just catching him looking at someone’s paper?
 
This is a really serious issue. Are there cameras that would record footage of his cheating? I know some schools use a testing room that has cameras. This is something that needs to be documented if possible, and it will be difficult to make anything happen without evidence.
 
Keep your head down and focus on yourself. It’s frustrating, I know. But you don’t want to get yourself involved. Like mentioned earlier, it will catch up to them. This behavior in clinic will be a problem because patients will be involved and they will get themselves in trouble.
 
Honestly, I think stuff like this happens at any school. For example at my school it is well known that 4th years pass the entire 4 yr test bank down to certain incoming freshmen. There's also subjective grading and favoritism when it comes to lab stuff... My sister attended a different school 10 years before me, same stuff. Don't waste your mental energy on things like this, people will always try to take shortcuts until one day..they find they can't (licensing, residency,being competent in private practice.)
 
Just worry about yourself to be honest. You tried and nothing was done. I can’t see why though it’s getting on your nerves this much. They’re going to pay the price later on.
 
dentalstudent2022 said:
Teachers have caught him looking up answers on his phone and bringing in cheat sheets to exams. It is my understanding that this has been brought before the administration, and nothing has been done. They have definitive proof and evidence. I have talked to a couple professors about this, and they seem to be pretty upset with how the situation is handled as well. It's been over a year since the first time he was caught.
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Oh, wow. Then yea, something should be done. That’s also pretty pathetic that at this level of his education, he is still doing that. But like I said, you can’t cheat on your boards or clinic requirements. It’ll probably catch up. Don’t waste too much of your time and energy on it. It’s the school that looks bad, now.


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Life has a way of catching up with those guys. You just take care of yourself.

Story to share here:
I had a guy in my class who's daddy was a big wig dentist. He was having his daddy's lab tech do all of his lab work during school. (Not fair right.) Well he graduated and continued his cheating ways. He ended up with a felony charge against him and daddy could help on that one.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Cheater will get what's coming to them in the end.
 
I do sympathize with your situation. It is frustrating when there is obvious cheating going on in DS and people in admin don’t do anything about it. I know a lot of people are saying that cheaters will get what is coming to them, and maybe they will and maybe they won’t. I took it as a lesson that life is just not fair. There are people who are going to cheat and succeed and others who won’t and suffer the consequences of trying to do the right thing.

My advice, if you see something deliberate, don’t hesitate to bring it up to someone. It has to be clear-cut, not just your assumptions or what you’ve heard. If there is actual evidence (you saw them with a cheat sheet, you saw them using their phone) you should bring it up and the admin should act on it. Otherwise, try not to pay too much attention, it’ll just get on your nerves. I used to get bothered knowing my class rank would be significantly better if the majority of the people cheating were on the same level as everyone else, but at the end of the day who cares? They have to live with that and although I am not perfect, I know I earned my grades with integrity.
 
I agree that something should be done, but I also realized something else about cheaters while in dental school. Cheating may help you get better grades than you otherwise would have, but cheaters in my opinion will never be at the very top of their class because they depend too much on the cheating working, and don’t spend enough time studying. Then when for whatever reason if the old test they have isn’t very similar to the test this time, or they don’t have enough time to search for and find all the answers on their cheat sheet, or they’re unable to sit next to the star student to copy their answers, it bites them in the butt. Not saying it’s okay, but in my experience the cheating never makes up for or puts you ahead of the students who have put in the necessary time to be at the very top. I would also hope that should this student ever apply to residency, that the administration would promptly notify all the programs of this students cheating. As many have already stated, try not to let it bother you too much if the admin is aware and unwilling to act, and if you notice further instances of blatant cheating as mentioned above, then you can bring it to their attention again. Who knows, maybe they just need one more incidence before they decide to let them go
 
Interesting. When I proctor exams it appears almost impossible to cheat. Your school must use paper and pencil. But still, with 5 different exams floating, how would you cheat?
Keep your head down and don’t get too involved. Without hard evidence making an unsubstantiated claim may land you in trouble.
 
You're playing a dangerous game by trying to go above the administration. You really need to see the endgame and figure a few things out.

Some questions to ask yourself:
1. Why is this person not getting into trouble? Does the administration not care? Is this person well connected or "untouchable" due to certain privileges? If the person is well connected, steer clear. You don't want to be a pariah of the dental community. They might just turn it around against you.

2. If the administration doesn't care, what good will it do if you get them professionally expunged from the profession? You will be hurting yourself by forcing a public investigation and outing your school as the "school of cheaters". This is deeper than what you might think. You might not be ruining just that person's life, but everyone else who may be implicated. In dentistry, it's not so bad. Go see the consequences by looking at what happened with the California Board of Pharmacy. You're shooting yourself in the foot by making your school look bad and making you look bad by association. It happened at my school before I entered, but my school is shameless regardless.

3. Are you ok in ruining someone's life? You will ruin their life by leaving them with debt without a dental degree. Think about what you would do to the person who ruined your life and left you with relatively crushing debt and no means to pay it off. Once someone has nothing to lose, they are at their most dangerous state. That's why I always carry. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Got guns everywhere at the office, car ,and home. Only place I don't have one is in the shower (I need to figure out how to install one).

Anyway, I digress. Good luck in whatever it is you choose to do. Just be careful and think about the consequences of your actions. Ideal and reality don't always coincide. In a lopsided power relationship known as dental school, rocking the boat can be dangerous and you may bring upon unintended consequences to yourself and your future colleagues.
 
TanMan said:
You're playing a dangerous game by trying to go above the administration. You really need to see the endgame and figure a few things out.

Some questions to ask yourself:
1. Why is this person not getting into trouble? Does the administration not care? Is this person well connected or "untouchable" due to certain privileges? If the person is well connected, steer clear. You don't want to be a pariah of the dental community. They might just turn it around against you.

2. If the administration doesn't care, what good will it do if you get them professionally expunged from the profession? You will be hurting yourself by forcing a public investigation and outing your school as the "school of cheaters". This is deeper than what you might think. You might not be ruining just that person's life, but everyone else who may be implicated. In dentistry, it's not so bad. Go see the consequences by looking at what happened with the California Board of Pharmacy. You're shooting yourself in the foot by making your school look bad and making you look bad by association. It happened at my school before I entered, but my school is shameless regardless.

3. Are you ok in ruining someone's life? You will ruin their life by leaving them with debt without a dental degree. Think about what you would do to the person who ruined your life and left you with relatively crushing debt and no means to pay it off. Once someone has nothing to lose, they are at their most dangerous state. That's why I always carry. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Got guns everywhere at the office, car ,and home. Only place I don't have one is in the shower (I need to figure out how to install one).

Anyway, I digress. Good luck in whatever it is you choose to do. Just be careful and think about the consequences of your actions. Ideal and reality don't always coincide. In a lopsided power relationship known as dental school, rocking the boat can be dangerous and you may bring upon unintended consequences to yourself and your future colleagues.
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