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[Mass Effect]

You're out of touch. Where have you seen lack of media coverage or lack of outrage? Where have you turned for your news? Because it's been all over the press, in multiple articles, multiple news broadcasts, part of multiple press briefings. Where have you seen lack of outrage by docs? Certainly not on SDN, where there are whole threads devoted to this. Certainly not in the Op-Eds of leading media outlets where multiple doctors have commented on this. Certainly not on social media where there are multiple threads in multiple forums and even a hashtag (#getmeppe) devoted to this.

Increase your media literacy before lecturing us, please.

How Doctors on the Front Lines Are Confronting the Uncertainties of COVID-19

To fill the vacuum left by the federal government, doctors are relying on informal networks to get the information and the support they need.

www.newyorker.com

Hospitals tell doctors they’ll be fired if they speak out about lack of gear

Hospitals have traditionally had strict media guidelines to protect patient privacy, urging staff to talk with journalists only through official public relations offices.

fortune.com

Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear

"I spoke out for patient safety and as a result I got terminated."

www.bloomberg.com

'This system is doomed’: Doctors, nurses sound off in NBC News coronavirus survey

More than 250 health care workers responded to a social media survey seeking first-person accounts from those on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.nbcnews.com

The mask shortage is forcing health workers to disregard basic infection control

Washing disposable masks, wearing trash bags, and other horrors happening in hospitals right now.

www.vox.com

US doctors, nurses on coronavirus front line beg for critical PPE

PPE shortages across the US may have led to doctors and nurses getting sick, and in some cases dying from COVID-19.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[deleted1041468]

You're out of touch. Where have you seen lack of media coverage or lack of outrage? Where have you turned for your news? Because it's been all over the press, in multiple articles, multiple news broadcasts, part of multiple press briefings. Where have you seen lack of outrage by docs? Certainly not on SDN, where there are whole threads devoted to this. Certainly not in the Op-Eds of leading media outlets where multiple doctors have commented on this. Certainly not on social media where there are multiple threads in multiple forums and even a hashtag (#getmeppe) devoted to this.

Increase your media literacy before lecturing us, please.

How Doctors on the Front Lines Are Confronting the Uncertainties of COVID-19

To fill the vacuum left by the federal government, doctors are relying on informal networks to get the information and the support they need.

www.newyorker.com

Hospitals tell doctors they’ll be fired if they speak out about lack of gear

Hospitals have traditionally had strict media guidelines to protect patient privacy, urging staff to talk with journalists only through official public relations offices.

fortune.com

Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear

"I spoke out for patient safety and as a result I got terminated."

www.bloomberg.com

'This system is doomed’: Doctors, nurses sound off in NBC News coronavirus survey

More than 250 health care workers responded to a social media survey seeking first-person accounts from those on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.nbcnews.com

The mask shortage is forcing health workers to disregard basic infection control

Washing disposable masks, wearing trash bags, and other horrors happening in hospitals right now.

www.vox.com

US doctors, nurses on coronavirus front line beg for critical PPE

PPE shortages across the US may have led to doctors and nurses getting sick, and in some cases dying from COVID-19.

www.aljazeera.com

Lol people get so offended on here sometimes. My bad. I could only find the forbes post. I am not lecturing anyone just most of the people are all talk and no action. I am glad you showed me this because if didn’t see it when I was looking. But being rude about it nah that’s not needed. Thanks anyways for the scolding lmao.

 

[Mass Effect]

Lol people get so offended on here sometimes. My bad. I could only find the forbes post. I am not lecturing anyone just most of the people are all talk and no action. I am glad you showed me this because if didn’t see it when I was looking. But being rude about it nah that’s not needed. Thanks anyways for the scolding lmao.

I'm not offended at all, but when you tell us that we're behaving in such a way that's "disheartening" to you all the while there's all this literature out there, I think you should be called on it. You know how I found all those links? A quick Google search in which I plugged in "doctors lack of masks." That's literally all you had to do.

You're about to be a doctor. Might want to research things before speaking out about them or risk tainting your argument and credibility due to lack of knowledge. Life lesson.

 

[deleted480308]

The best action you can take is refuse to walk in a room without the right ppe. Don’t let your coresidents think they have to. Don’t put up with any resident being punished for refusing. Talk to a lawyer who will likely say to File osha and acgme complaints and talk to the news if anything happens.

 

[Actinium24]

1. You say you haven’t started residency yet so these aren’t even your fellow residents.

2. The news is literally full of nothing but stories about this

3. This risk comes with the job. It’s surprising it’s taken this long for you to realize this

4. Very few young healthcare workers especially have died from covid. And I doubt many will. Those who have died have typically been 70 year old attendings and nurses.

 

[deleted480308]

1. You say you haven’t started residency yet so these aren’t even your fellow residents.

 

[jurassicpark]

I am not starting pgy1 till July but seeing my fellow residents literally die and not have PPE is absurd and the lack of media coverage and outrage by the medical community is so disheartening.

Here are some links to what is going on and residents personal experience. Along with ways you can state your experience. I hope this makes the main stream news and the administration has to budge eventually. I hope this brings about discussion in resident treatment for the future.

Not going to beat the dead horse. It's ALL over the media, reading on it every day,

That being said, for the most part it's NOT about Administration being evil (this time) and refusing to issue PPE to save money. It is the lack of PPE available to be had. Please search the media, TONS of articles about this story.

I am lucky that the facilities I practice in still have a good steady flow for our needs. For complete protection where people run around in bunny suits and N95s everywhere? Unfortunately not. Unfortunately exposures happen, have happened.

 

[Mass Effect]

3. This risk comes with the job. It’s surprising it’s taken this long for you to realize this

The risk of contracting a potentially fatal illness because of the selfishness of hospital administrators? Nope, not what we signed up for and this line of thinking is out of line. HCW are sick of being told they're not altruistic enough because they dare to look out for themselves.

4. Very few young healthcare workers especially have died from covid. And I doubt many will. Those who have died have typically been 70 year old attendings and nurses.

Tell that to the 3 young residents who died last week and the young nurse who died the week before. This illness kills young people too and until all is said and done, we won't know exactly how many. Of course the elderly are more vulnerable. They're more vulnerable to fatal reactions from drug overdoses too. Doesn't mean the young and healthy are spared.

 

[KnuxNole]

There have been ton of people in their 30s intubated to have me spooked. I either already have it or going to have it at some point. And probably a 50% chance or greater that if I get it I’ll die.

 

[ThoracicGuy]

There have been ton of people in their 30s intubated to have me spooked. I either already have it or going to have it at some point. And probably a 50% chance or greater that if I get it I’ll die.

The data suggests a mortality rate far, far lower than 50% or greater chance of dying...

 

[deleted480308]

The data suggests a mortality rate far, far lower than 50% or greater chance of dying...

Last i looked 30s was between 1-3% but there have been a lot of numbers out by a lot of different groups

 

[Actinium24]

There have been ton of people in their 30s intubated to have me spooked. I either already have it or going to have it at some point. And probably a 50% chance or greater that if I get it I’ll die.

50%? How did you figure that?

I currently have it-to compare it to the flu is not a fair comparison. Flu feels way worse. Actual case fatality will probably be .1% once estimates on mild/asymptomatic cases are taken into account.

 

[Wordead]

Or maybe he/she is immunocompromised, obviously. Im guessing an attending knows the mortality rate isn't 50%.

 

[argama]

The best action you can take is refuse to walk in a room without the right ppe. Don’t let your coresidents think they have to. Don’t put up with any resident being punished for refusing. Talk to a lawyer who will likely say to File osha and acgme complaints and talk to the news if anything happens.

Unless you're in a certain program where you may have received an email from your PD, that if you refuse to enter a COVID room w/out PPE or attending backup, you could be put on leave of absence or terminated as a resident.

 

[KnuxNole]

They can file a complaint with OSHA and/or ACGME

 

[deleted480308]

Unless you're in a certain program where you may have received an email from your PD, that if you refuse to enter a COVID room w/out PPE or attending backup, you could be put on leave of absence or terminated as a resident.

Forward that email to the lawyer andor acgme/osha

 

[Mass Effect]

There have been ton of people in their 30s intubated to have me spooked. I either already have it or going to have it at some point. And probably a 50% chance or greater that if I get it I’ll die.

I assume you have a pre-existing condition or fall in the age category. I'm sorry to hear that. What specialty are you in? Are you able to work virtually? My workplace allows older docs and those with pre-existing conditions to do telehealth since they are at greater risk.

 

[Mass Effect]

50%? How did you figure that?

I currently have it-to compare it to the flu is not a fair comparison. Flu feels way worse. Actual case fatality will probably be .1% once estimates on mild/asymptomatic cases are taken into account.

Dude, stop. You're only destroying any credibility you may have had.

 

[KnuxNole]

I assume you have a pre-existing condition or fall in the age category. I'm sorry to hear that. What specialty are you in? Are you able to work virtually? My workplace allows older docs and those with pre-existing conditions to do telehealth since they are at greater risk.

Pre-existing condition. I fall in the "30s" age category, which, I see it's reported as low mortality. I can work virtually, which I'm doing in the clinic. I work hospital medicine as well, and as long as I have adequate PPE things are going to be ok. It's the fear of having inadequate(i.e. dirty PPE) or no PPE and getting ill due to not being properly protected. I work with residents and all residents are not seeing COVID-19 or COVID r/o patients, they all go to a non-teaching service. So, in hindsight, it could be much, much worse. I want to care for patients, but putting out a fire naked with spongebob underwear isn't always the safest.

 

[Mass Effect]

Pre-existing condition. I fall in the "30s" age category, which, I see it's reported as low mortality. I can work virtually, which I'm doing in the clinic. I work hospital medicine as well, and as long as I have adequate PPE things are going to be ok. It's the fear of having inadequate(i.e. dirty PPE) or no PPE and getting ill due to not being properly protected. I work with residents and all residents are not seeing COVID-19 or COVID r/o patients, they all go to a non-teaching service. So, in hindsight, it could be much, much worse. I want to care for patients, but putting out a fire naked with spongebob underwear isn't always the safest.

At least that's a plus. Some hospitals are diverting all COVID patients to teaching services.