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[bubhu]

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[StIGMA]

Well generally I would think you would remain competitive, but with expected fewer number of suitors.

I'd also call BS on the 4000 hours of lab in 2-3 years of undergrad (unless you're doing a 5 year undergrad in which case everything else you present is less impressive for taking longer to complete it). So that on top of the other red flags, without the PI absolutely gushing about you and verifying that, would be an additional red flag on everything else you wrote in your app. Probably would have been a good idea to document hrs/week each semester if it's that much above average and make sure your PI is verifying it.

Generally the Goldwater scholars get a lot of love on the app trail. If nothing manifests have to wonder if it's your rec letters (discordant info between LoRs and your app) or something like that.

 

[ValentinNarcisse]

I think you might not be aware how much the Red Flags you mention will torpedo your application. It is very possible you might get no interviews or offers. The secondary app screen you are passing may just be taking into account your stats, but when you are going to the next phase of review, you probably are taken out of consideration.

 

[biobukowski]

Well generally I would think you would remain competitive, but with expected fewer number of suitors.

I'd also call BS on the 4000 hours of lab in 2-3 years of undergrad (unless you're doing a 5 year undergrad in which case everything else you present is less impressive for taking longer to complete it). So that on top of the other red flags, without the PI absolutely gushing about you and verifying that, would be an additional red flag on everything else you wrote in your app. Probably would have been a good idea to document hrs/week each semester if it's that much above average and make sure your PI is verifying it.

Generally the Goldwater scholars get a lot of love on the app trail. If nothing manifests have to wonder if it's your rec letters (discordant info between LoRs and your app) or something like that.

I did an MSTP. In undergrad, I worked ~5hrs/week for 2 years and ~20hrs/week for 2 years while completing classes, as well as two full time summers in a wet lab (60hr workweeks) and a summer of clinical research (40 hour workweek) for an estimated total of 3000 hours. There is a nature medicine and a nature biotech with my name on it; my credit load junior/senior year was above 18/semester every semester as well.

4000 hours would be the equivalent of taking a semester off to work full time, or having a very easy major (I was a BME major, doing immunology research).

 

[StIGMA]

I did an MSTP. In undergrad, I worked ~5hrs/week for 2 years and ~20hrs/week for 2 years while completing classes, as well as two full time summers in a wet lab (60hr workweeks) and a summer of clinical research (40 hour workweek) for an estimated total of 3000 hours. There is a nature medicine and a nature biotech with my name on it; my credit load junior/senior year was above 18/semester every semester as well.

4000 hours would be the equivalent of taking a semester off to work full time, or having a very easy major (I was a BME major, doing immunology research).

ok explain 4000 hours in 4 months to me

full time is generally 2000 hr/ yr

author said they were overestimating too, so I’m not sure you’re point since I was right?

 

[biobukowski]

ok explain 4000 hours in 4 months to me

full time is generally 2000 hr/ yr

author said they were overestimating too, so J.M. not sure you’re point even I was right?

Never said I did 4000 hours in 4 months? I merely agreed with your call on BS for 4000 hours in 2-3 years.

4000 hours would have incurred me taking an additional semester off full time. With what I had already finished (~2800 hrs killing myself). Is that more clear?

Not that it matters, but I dont even think that is enough experience—I went and did 3 years at NIH after. And a Phd I completed in 3 years as an MSTP (with 60-80hr weeks). They say it takes 10,000 hours...

Don’t worry, 2000hrs a year as a resident sounds like a joke to me now, work wise. Pretty sure I averaged 3500 hours per year of work give or take, as a resident.

 

[StIGMA]

“4000 hours would be the equivalent of taking a semester off to work full time”