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[medicineiscool456]

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[GoSpursGo]

Wouldn’t bother if not accepted

Moving to pre med.

 

[Goro]

Hello all,

I recently interviewed at two schools 3-5 weeks ago I am very interested in attending.

I have my name as an inventor on a patent application that went out a couple of months ago, before my initial AMCAS applications went out. I think that I briefly mentioned it in my interviews (one was MMI, so I didn't really have a chance), but I am wondering if it would be worth it to send an update to these schools about my recent patent application, and what information I should supply them with the update (filing receipt, etc..).

Does the fact that it is a patent application, and not an approved/granted patent, impact adcom's view on it? Is it worth it?

Don't waste their time or yours.

 

[allseasons]

Don't waste their time or yours.

Is it because it's only an application or because patents themself are not noteworthy?

 

[Goro]

Is it because it's only an application or because patents themself are not noteworthy?

Because it's an application

 

[Catalystik]

Is it because it's only an application or because patents themself are not noteworthy?

Patents, like accepted or published research papers, are noteworthy. Patent applications, like submitted manuscripts or those "under review," are not yet accomplishments that would have an impact on adcomm decision-making.

 

[allseasons]

Patents, like accepted or published research papers, are noteworthy. Patent applications, like submitted manuscripts or those "under review," are not yet accomplishments that would have an impact on adcomm decision-making.

just curious, I've been told that a manuscript with a "major revision" decision is basically guaranteed of being accepted somewhere. Some adcoms in my interviews brought it up and congratulated me on a likely publication. Minor revision essentially means correct some spelling errors and it will be accepted. How are these viewed by adcoms other than the ones I talked to? Most of the time I know see submitted vs published, but there are these stepping stones along the way.

 

[allseasons]

I would actually say a minor revision is not just spelling errors. My first-author manuscript was just accepted to a reputed journal with minor revisions. The peer-reviewers actually wanted us to include a whole paragram as well as condense a whole section and add a column to our tables with alternative information on the clinical trial we are observing. Given the fact that my paper is over 40 pages long, this makes sense. However, even with all these edits, my paper was accepted with minor revisions.

oh yea, it's a little different basic science ve clinical vs review. But for the clinical papers I've written (about 5/10 pages long writing/full length) usually minor revisions comes down to minor clarifications plus proofreading.

 

[allseasons]

My paper falls under translational research, even if it is a review.

yea, but review publications are very different from original research. I can def understand why there are different procedures

 

[allseasons]

Yeah, maybe you are right. I am slightly surprised though that the differences for "minor revisions" exist for different types of publications.

I was exaggerating when I said spelling errors haha. I meant they're very minor edits and in some cases mostly just formatting and stuff.

 

[medicineiscool456]

Don't waste their time or yours.

Thanks for the feedback, Goro! I just wanted to specify a little further to see what you think.

So it’s actually a patent for a medical device that we recently launched at work, one that I had done 100% of the engineering work on.
In this context, do you think it would be worth it to update the adcom on this newly launched product that I had a substantial hand in bringing to market? And I can also mention it is patent pending as well. The main reasoning for the update would be to describe how I’ve helped launch a new medical device, not just a patent pending!

In the update, I would give a brief description of the device, my work on it, and supply relevant the marketing brochures and patent application details that has my name as an inventor on it.

Please let me know, thanks!

 

[Goro]

I believe that you are placing much too much emphasis on the fact that it is a medical device, in the hope that this will somehow have more impact.

It's patent-pending, it's not real yet.

 

[Catalystik]

just curious, I've been told that a manuscript with a "major revision" decision is basically guaranteed of being accepted somewhere. Some adcoms in my interviews brought it up and congratulated me on a likely publication. Minor revision essentially means correct some spelling errors and it will be accepted. How are these viewed by adcoms other than the ones I talked to? Most of the time I know see submitted vs published, but there are these stepping stones along the way.

I disagree. If a manuscript is only submitted or needs major revisions, then it is still a future activity which you should NOT include as a Publication. If it is published or accepted for publication, or accepted pending minor revisions, then you can include it. Why is a need for "major revisions" not acceptable for inclusion? Because all too often a PI decides it's not worth the additional effort to make the editors happy: perhaps they've moved on to other projects, don't have the funding to pursue the required revisions, or those most involved in the project are no longer available to do the extra work.

 

[allseasons]

I disagree. If a manuscript is only submitted or needs major revisions, then it is still a future activity which you should include as a Publication. If it is published or accepted for publication, or accepted pending minor revisions, then you can include it. Why are a need for "major revisions" not acceptable for inclusion? Because all too often a PI decides it's not worth the additional effort to make the editors happy: perhaps they've moved on to other projects, don't have the funding to pursue the required revisions, or those most involved in the project are no longer available to do the extra work.

makes sense, but in this case I'm the first author
still, understood. That would be my thought too.

 

[Catalystik]

So it’s actually a patent for a medical device that we recently launched at work, one that I had done 100% of the engineering work on.
In this context, do you think it would be worth it to update the adcom on this newly launched product that I had a substantial hand in bringing to market? And I can also mention it is patent pending as well. The main reasoning for the update would be to describe how I’ve helped launch a new medical device, not just a patent pending!

In the update, I would give a brief description of the device, my work on it, and supply relevant the marketing brochures and patent application details that has my name as an inventor on it.

Personally, I would find this very interesting to read in an update letter, since the device exists and is being marketed (regardless of your place in the patent pipeline). But I am confused because in your first post you refer to a "recent patent application," but here you say the status is "patent pending." Maybe you could clarify: Where exactly are you in the patent pipeline?

 

[Catalystik]

makes sense, but in this case I'm the first author
still, understood. That would be my thought too.

I made a mistake in typing and apologize for any confusion. A manuscript that is only submitted or needs major revisions, should NOT be included as a Publication. I will correct my post.

 

[medicineiscool456]

Personally, I would find this very interesting to read in an update letter, since the device exists and is being marketed (regardless of your place in the patent pipeline). But I am confused because in your first post you refer to a "recent patent application," but here you say the status is "patent pending." Maybe you could clarify: Where exactly are you in the patent pipeline?

Thanks for your feedback!

For clarity, a patent is considered “pending” when an application is filed and accepted by the US patent office, but the patent has not yet been issued.
The process of getting the patent reviewed and issued can take a couple years.

You can market & sell something as “patent pending” after you submit a patent for it. This prevents people from copying your design while it is in the patent approval process. This is exactly what is happening in my case.

 

[Catalystik]

Thanks for your feedback!

For clarity, a patent is considered “pending” when an application is filed and accepted by the US patent office, but the patent has not yet been issued.
The process of getting the patent reviewed and issued can take a couple years.

You can market & sell something as “patent pending” after you submit a patent for it. This prevents people from copying your design while it is in the patent approval process. This is exactly what is happening in my case.

If you are able to claim "patent pending" so quickly, I assume your group filed for a provisional patent and you have a filing number (that you can cite). If so, personally, I would consider this to be a significant achievement and worthy of mention in an update letter.