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theoneandonlyclavicle said:
Hello,

I am set to enter a DO school in 2023. I have a linked acceptance to it already. I did a BA/DO program, and the MCAT was not required. I have just 1 more semester of college and I'll enter in the fall.

I've been thinking lately of maybe taking the MCAT and applying MD. This would have to be for the 2024 cycle as it's really late right now. I've gotten through half of the anking mcat deck, should be able to finish it up soon, and move to practice tests and official mcat material.

I know MD schools will give me more opportunities specialty wise, as I have no idea what I want to do. But going to do this DO school will let me be a physician 1 year earlier. I'm just a little worried I'll fall in love with a specialty and then have little chance of matching as a DO. There's so many new DO schools opening up every year which will make the match tougher. But a benefit of going to DO school is that I'll save 1 year of time, earn 300k more as that's around the average physician salary, and be able to support my family earlier.

I don't know if I'm wasting my time studying for the mcat right now and if I should just forget about it. Going to the DO school will allow me to get this first year of med school done while if I apply MD I will be taking a gap year and I'll have to find something to do and delay my career.

Any advice is greatly appreciated as I'm conflicted on the matter.
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Please be proud of your success in this path and attend your DO school!
 
The wise saying "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush" may apply here. Med school is tough regardless of the MD or DO route and if one ends up wanting a more competitive specialty then networking & research yrs are available. I just always get iffy about advising students w/ guaranteed acceptances to gamble on the open market where the acceptance rate is ~ 35%. But ultimately you'll have to reconcile with that nagging voice in your head.

You can take the mcat and see how you do but ultimately your med school performance & drive will determine how well you do on your board exams which will play a sizable component on the residencies you'd be competitive for
 
If I were you then I would think long and hard about rejecting your DO acceptance. Keep in mind that even students with amazing stats don’t always get accepted to MD schools. It doesn’t make sense to apply later unless you only want MD. Why throw away a guaranteed acceptance and your future as a doctor for a chance at getting into an MD school or trying to get into another DO school? Once you’re running with the rest of the pack things change greatly. Right now you don’t even need the MCAT for your DO acceptance. Once you join the rat race that MCAT can become a barrier for you if you don’t do well. Even if you do well, it’s still not guaranteed you’ll get an acceptance somewhere. Doesn’t seem like a wise choice. Not being accepted into any school and losing your chance at becoming a doctor is a possible reality.
 
Agree with the excellent advice above. You have no idea how well you will do on the MCAT. If you do poorly, or even ok, like a 505, a 70th%tile score many MD schools will screen you out and you wasted a year. Unless a very new or expensive DO school, I would attend the DO school. Remember, residencies are getting more competitive for MDs too. Don't think that attending a DO school there are not some very bright people there. The bottom quarter might not be as strong, but the top third would be that at most MD schools. Most established DO schools have regional reputations for residencies. Review Charting Outcomes. DOs had high match rates 89 to 90+ % matched. Neurosurg was just under 50%. All the rest were nearly 60% or higher. Still pretty good matching, but who knows what it will be like when you graduate. I think I would take the acceptance and start working on my resume for residency applications.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
Just take the MCAT and then decide, unless taking it disqualifies you from your Do school. I bet if you get something like 520+, you would not want to go the DO route. What’s your GPA?
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From my understanding of OP’s post they’re not ready to take the MCAT and taking it would put them in a position of having to reject their DO acceptance due to timing since OP spoke of a gap year. I could be wrong though.
 
By turning down the acceptance at DO expect to spend at least 2 more years before you apply. You have zero shadowing and only the part time scribing. Any volunteer work? Extracurricular activities? Not to mention the schools who are going to turn you down when they see you had a guaranteed acceptance and either turned it down or worse they could think you weren’t good enough and had to apply through regular cycles.

On the other hand it’s great advice to take the MCAT and turn down the acceptance if it’s going to turn you into a self hating DO.

I’m more curious as to why you went into the program at all if you had any doubts about a guaranteed acceptance.
 
Applying to medical school was the hardest thing I've ever done. Am a third year DO student now for reference. As others have advised, weigh the time, effort and expense of applying against how much you value to the MD degree. If you went the MD route, you would likely not matriculate until 2025, if you were accepted the first cycle. Based on what you've described, there's no way you could pull together an MD app in the next 6 months, so you'd be applying June 2024 to matriculate September 2025 at the earliest.

Losing two years, going through a ton of stress and only having a chance at an MD acceptance would absolutely not be worth it to me. I'm biased as a DO student interested in relatively uncompetitive speciality of course.

That being said it's not a bad idea to take the MCAT sometime over the next few months to see if it's up to par. What's your GPA? What specialties are you interested in that would be difficult to match as a DO?
 
theoneandonlyclavicle said:
3.9 science and overall. General surgery and Obstretics, which are pretty difficult for DOs.

Theres no punishment for taking the mcat at my program, so I am going to take it.

I have a close relative that attended the school and had a good experience. That person and other family convinced me to apply. In the beginning when I signed up to the program, I was confident. I've gotten more doubts as I'm closer to attending the school.


I really appreciate the advice. I'm going to take it day by day and think about it. I'm definitely going to take the mcat. I just got a 510 on a blueprint mcat practice exam and i started studying this month. I think I can get to 520+ on the real thing. I think the weakest part of my app is my ECs.

But I'm leaning towards going DO due to time and money. It will be tough but I'm willing to work as hard as I can to be a surgeon.
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520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
 
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theoneandonlyclavicle said:
3.9 science and overall. General surgery and Obstretics, which are pretty difficult for DOs.

Theres no punishment for taking the mcat at my program, so I am going to take it.

I have a close relative that attended the school and had a good experience. That person and other family convinced me to apply. In the beginning when I signed up to the program, I was confident. I've gotten more doubts as I'm closer to attending the school.


I really appreciate the advice. I'm going to take it day by day and think about it. I'm definitely going to take the mcat. I just got a 510 on a blueprint mcat practice exam and i started studying this month. I think I can get to 520+ on the real thing. I think the weakest part of my app is my ECs.

But I'm leaning towards going DO due to time and money. It will be tough but I'm willing to work as hard as I can to be a surgeon.
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GS and Ob GYN had over an 80% match rate for DO's last year. I would call that somewhat competitive, but certainly not " pretty difficult ", as you suggest. Look at Charting Outcomes as I suggested earlier. I think you'll feel better about whatever decision you make.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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510 would be a 77%tile score on the MCAT, not an elite score when nearly 25% of the people taking it did better than you, and there is always the possibility they may do worse. I've seen it. Secondly, regardless of the degree, you still have to be competitive should you want to match a competitive program. Granted the hill is higher for DOs to climb, but far from impossible. With more MD and DO schools coming on line, it most surely will be increasingly competetive to match for both. As far as EVERY MD looks down on DOs, that is just hyperbolic. You realize some MDs look down on other MDs? I never took them.seriously as they are just pedigree snobs and usually not half as skillful as they think they are. Whatever your degree, gender, or religion, in medicine most doctors will be recognize you for your merits and abilities. Thats the beautiful.part about medicine. Life is full of choices, hopefully OP makes good ones for them.
 
Depends entirely on specialties of interest. If you’re set on neurosurgery, aim for top MD schools. If you want to do FM, just go with path of least resistance in this case
 
Angus Avagadro said:
510 would be a 77%tile score on the MCAT, not an elite score when nearly 25% of the people taking it did better than you, and there is always the possibility they may do worse. I've seen it. Secondly, regardless of the degree, you still have to be competitive should you want to match a competitive program. Granted the hill is higher for DOs to climb, but far from impossible. With more MD and DO schools coming on line, it most surely will be increasingly competetive to match for both. As far as EVERY MD looks down on DOs, that is just hyperbolic. You realize some MDs look down on other MDs? I never took them.seriously as they are just pedigree snobs and usually not half as skillful as they think they are. Whatever your degree, gender, or religion, in medicine most doctors will be recognize you for your merits and abilities. Thats the beautiful.part about medicine. Life is full of choices, hopefully OP makes good ones for them.
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That’s basically surgeon mentality. In medicine, it’s completely different. Surgeons tend to be concrete and rigid in the way they think their worth is in their skills. Whereas in medicine, the top players are much more adventurous and enterprising in their way of achieving what many consider as success, hence in medicine pedigree matters a lot more.

Top players in surgery are like the most skillful tradesmen. Whereas the top players in medicine are much more likely to be the leaders in the medical field.
 
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What many consider as success? Seriously? If being chairman, riding a desk, limiting your clinical time, and judging the measure of a physician by the size of their grant is considered sucess, then that's the club the vast majority of doctors didn't go into medicine to join.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
What many consider as success? Seriously? If being chairman, riding a desk, limiting your clinical time, and judging the measure of a physician by the size of their grant is considered sucess, then that's the club the vast majority of doctors didn't go into medicine to join.
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For most people in medicine (vs surgery), they will get tired of clinical work fairly quickly, say 10 years or so. It’s just the way it is. Wonder why MBA is so popular among MD’s? Even the surgeons who have been wildly successful on the skills are getting an MBA well past the midpoint of their career?

Given an option to branch into other things, most will jump on it. I never said being chained to a desk. It’s the way of thinking that gets someone farther than others, not really skills. Most surgeons who have operated long enough will have similar skills. Most non surgical specialists, after seeing the 10,000th patient, have similar skills in managing patienfs. Things get repetitive so fast in medicine.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
For most people in medicine (vs surgery), they will get tired of clinical work fairly quickly, say 10 years or so. It’s just the way it is. Wonder why MBA is so popular among MD’s? Even the surgeons who have been wildly successful on the skills are getting an MBA well past the midpoint of their career?

Given an option to branch into other things, most will jump on it. I never said being chained to a desk. It’s the way of thinking that gets someone farther than others, not really skills. Most surgeons who have operated long enough will have similar skills. Most non surgical specialists, after seeing the 10,000th patient, have similar skills in managing patienfs. Things get repetitive so fast in medicine.
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How long have you been in practice, and in what setting? I know very few physicians who have tired of medicine after only 10 years.
 
LunaOri said:
How long have you been in practice, and in what setting? I know very few physicians who have tired of medicine after only 10 years.
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Being the only thing you have to do, seeing patients, one can get tired of that very quickly and therefore a lot of people branch out into med ed, admissions, ventures and admin. On your description, clearly you are involved in admin work too. Can you expound on why not just clinical work for you?
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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I can agree with some of this, but I really caution anyone to take the statement of “EVERY MD looks down on DO…” with a grain of salt.

Any physician with a mindset that looks down on another physician because of two letters after their name is probably someone you want to avoid. This mentality is very “pre-med” “holier than thou mindset”. It reeks of someone who isn’t professional or very new to working.

Personally I’ve never once worked with a DO I didn’t think was fit, nor have I ever once looked down on them. I’ve also never had co-workers who have had this mentality either.

While it is true DO’s have a harder time matching into more competitive specialities it’s not impossible…
 
Whataboutism said:
I can agree with some of this, but I really caution anyone to take the statement of “EVERY MD looks down on DO…” with a grain of salt.

Any physician with a mindset that looks down on another physician because of two letters after their name is probably someone you want to avoid. This mentality is very “pre-med” “holier than thou mindset”. It reeks of someone who isn’t professional or very new to working.

Personally I’ve never once worked with a DO I didn’t think was fit, nor have I ever once looked down on them. I’ve also never had co-workers who have had this mentality either.

While it is true DO’s have a harder time matching into more competitive specialities it’s not impossible…
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No one admits that in public. But when an MD and a DO up for some promotion, MD's win every single time. Why? because people in charge of medicine inherently are biased against DO's. Do I think people should look down DO's? absolutely not. I think it's silly for the US to have this two tier system. DO training is essentially the same as MD, but because of their lower admission standards, this two-tier system persists. The culprit is not the DO's themselves, it's the people who run the DO system. They don't want to cede their power and yet they can't really compete with MD's on the career prospect for their graduates. What they should do is convert all DO schools into MD schools.
 
I would argue that you’re way better off going DO a year sooner and then taking a research year if you discover that you have to go for something super competitive.

Everyone is “shooting for 510+” on the MCAT but the reality is that way, way more people score below 510 then above it. Furthermore tons of DO schools matriculate students every year who scored above 510, yet still end up going DO for some reason or another. Take the acceptance and be the best physician you can be, don’t think overthink it
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
No one admits that in public. But when an MD and a DO up for some promotion, MD's win every single time. Why? because people in charge of medicine inherently are biased against DO's.
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It appears we are at an impasse here. Your experience is somewhat unique as is mine. I have not had the same experiences as you.

I agree some residency programs are inherently MD biased, but those programs are becoming fewer with every passing year.

Are you referring to director positions within hospitals or within residency programs? I’d like to actually see some statistics on number of DOs who apply to these positions versus MDs. It could make for a interesting topic.

Regardless, when you have your license you have your license. No one cares in my experience.
 
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Whataboutism said:
It appears we are at an impasse here. Your experience is somewhat unique as is mine. I have not had the same experiences as you.

I agree some residency programs are inherently MD biased, but those programs are becoming fewer with every passing year.

Are you referring to directer positions within hospitals or within residency programs? I’d like to actually see some statistics on number of DOs who apply to these positions versus MDs. It could make for a interesting topic.

Regardless, when you have your license you have your license. No one cares in my experience.
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Not just director positions, but other committee members and whatnot. Also outside industry opportunities such as CMD on a company or being an advisor on the board. Most DO's are excluded from those opportunities and most of them don't actively seek those because they know they don't stand a chance against MD's. My feeling is for OP, who's barely a junior in college, they should explore their options fully at this point in their life. They are too young to consider making an extra year of salary in their life.... they are 20?! For chrissakes, why not shoot for the moon when you are this young and so much ahead of you!!!
 
theoneandonlyclavicle said:
I really appreciate the advice. I'm going to take it day by day and think about it. I'm definitely going to take the mcat. I just got a 510 on a blueprint mcat practice exam and i started studying this month. I think I can get to 520+ on the real thing. I think the weakest part of my app is my ECs.


Assume a 510 practice score would be a 505-507 on test day. Nerves often cause a few points drop.
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srirachamayonnaise said:
No one admits that in public. But when an MD and a DO up for some promotion, MD's win every single time. Why? because people in charge of medicine inherently are biased against DO's. Do I think people should look down DO's? absolutely not. I think it's silly for the US to have this two tier system. DO training is essentially the same as MD, but because of their lower admission standards, this two-tier system persists. The culprit is not the DO's themselves, it's the people who run the DO system. They don't want to cede their power and yet they can't really compete with MD's on the career prospect for their graduates. What they should do is convert all DO schools into MD schools.
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Sorry, I'm throwing a flag on this one. Hyperbole still flows from your posts and they suggest little to no personal experience, but opinions maybe of others. I managed to get promoted, sat on the residency selection committee, did clinical research, and gave Grand Rounds at a uni program many consider top 10. So your opinions and general statements fall quite short. DOs have a higher hill to climb in academia, no doubt. To suggest, as you do that EVERY MD looks down on DOs, and an MD gets promoted over a DO Every time is unsubstantiated and actually makes you look foolish. I wouldn't recommend continuing down your reasoning path, unless you would like to discuss your personal experience in your specialty.
 
What's the hurry. You sound like you are in your early 20s. Take a gap year or two to mature, improve your ECs, and apply with the best application you can. No guarante you will get in to an MD program, but if you can score 512 or above, your chances are very good. Do everything you can to apply with the best application you can to get into the best school that you can to better your odds with matching a competive specialty. If you are comfortable with primary care, take the DO acceptance, run and don't look back. Compare the MD vs. DO 2022 match rate for anesthesiology relative to Step 2 and it will be apparent to you how much harder it is for DOs.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Sorry, I'm throwing a flag on this one. Hyperbole still flows from your posts and they suggest little to no personal experience, but opinions maybe of others. I managed to get promoted, sat on the residency selection committee, did clinical research, and gave Grand Rounds at a uni program many consider top 10. So your opinions and general statements fall quite short. DOs have a higher hill to climb in academia, no doubt. To suggest, as you do that EVERY MD looks down on DOs, and an MD gets promoted over a DO Every time is unsubstantiated and actually makes you look foolish. I wouldn't recommend continuing down your reasoning path, unless you would like to discuss your personal experience in your specialty.
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Kudos to your success, truly. But you are the exception to the rule. When advising a youngster here, we shouldn't focus on the exceptions but rather a rule should be spelt for them so that they can make a sound decision.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
Kudos to your success, truly. But you are the exception to the rule. When advising a youngster here, we shouldn't focus on the exceptions but rather a rule should be spelt for them so that they can make a sound decision.
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Ya know, it took me a single Google search to recognize the Gen Surg program director at a local university affiliate is a DO. My former roommate has been Anes Program Director at an east coast uni for 20 years. If I cared to spend the time, I could find more. I get the feeling you are not a physician and I believe your views at best are misguided. Of course, when counseling pre meds and med students, the more information available allows them to make the best decisions for themselves. The information just needs to be accurate.

BTW, what experiences are you drawing from to arrive at your conclusions? Are you a physician? PA? RN?
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
Being the only thing you have to do, seeing patients, one can get tired of that very quickly and therefore a lot of people branch out into med ed, admissions, ventures and admin. On your description, clearly you are involved in admin work too. Can you expound on why not just clinical work for you?
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Love doing it all—clinical, research, admin, admissions.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
Being the only thing you have to do, seeing patients, one can get tired of that very quickly and therefore a lot of people branch out into med ed, admissions, ventures and admin. On your description, clearly you are involved in admin work too. Can you expound on why not just clinical work for you?
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Do you have any experience? At all? Taking on additional responsibilities does not mean we don’t like our clinical work. Being in leadership, administration, or education is a common addition to the job for an experienced physician.
 
I’m a resident at a highly regarded hospital connected to a Top 20 public university medical school. A surgical subspecialty resident here is a DO. If you put in the work necessary, you should be fine.

I matched to a competitive fellowship at a hospital connected to an Ivy League institution, and one of my co-fellows will be a DO. These are two relevant examples of people that I know, so I don’t feel inclined to say they are exceptions to the rule.

I know a lot of lazy MDs, and a lot of lazy DOs. And I know a lot of brilliant MDs, and a lot of brilliant DOs.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Ya know, it took me a single Google search to recognize the Gen Surg program director at a local university affiliate is a DO. My former roommate has been Anes Program Director at an east coast uni for 20 years. If I cared to spend the time, I could find more. I get the feeling you are not a physician and I believe your views at best are misguided. Of course, when counseling pre meds and med students, the more information available allows them to make the best decisions for themselves. The information just needs to be accurate.

BTW, what experiences are you drawing from to arrive at your conclusions? Are you a physician? PA? RN?
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FWIW to add to your comment, the gen surg program I'm affiliated with half are DO's, chief resident was a DO, and the DO's consistently place into competitive fellowships.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
Not just director positions, but other committee members and whatnot. Also outside industry opportunities such as CMD on a company or being an advisor on the board. Most DO's are excluded from those opportunities and most of them don't actively seek those because they know they don't stand a chance against MD's. My feeling is for OP, who's barely a junior in college, they should explore their options fully at this point in their life. They are too young to consider making an extra year of salary in their life.... they are 20?! For chrissakes, why not shoot for the moon when you are this young and so much ahead of you!!!
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srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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DO = MD in that you will be able to help people on the worst of their days just as well.

I hope academia treats you well.
 
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Take the sure thing. You could end up doing poorly on the MCAT, having a tough time being concise and communicating effectively in interviews and secondaries.

There’s a lot that could go wrong. Being a DO you’ll have to work harder but you’ll still have many of the same opportunities.
 
theoneandonlyclavicle said:
Hello,

I am set to enter a DO school in 2023. I have a linked acceptance to it already. I did a BA/DO program, and the MCAT was not required. I have just 1 more semester of college and I'll enter in the fall.

I've been thinking lately of maybe taking the MCAT and applying MD. This would have to be for the 2024 cycle as it's really late right now. I've gotten through half of the anking mcat deck, should be able to finish it up soon, and move to practice tests and official mcat material.

I know MD schools will give me more opportunities specialty wise, as I have no idea what I want to do. But going to do this DO school will let me be a physician 1 year earlier. I'm just a little worried I'll fall in love with a specialty and then have little chance of matching as a DO. There's so many new DO schools opening up every year which will make the match tougher. But a benefit of going to DO school is that I'll save 1 year of time, earn 300k more as that's around the average physician salary, and be able to support my family earlier.

I don't know if I'm wasting my time studying for the mcat right now and if I should just forget about it. Going to the DO school will allow me to get this first year of med school done while if I apply MD I will be taking a gap year and I'll have to find something to do and delay my career.

Any advice is greatly appreciated as I'm conflicted on the matter.
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Why go the BA/DO route in the first place if you never planned to matriculate?
 
Princeton Medical Student said:
Imho it’s not possible to make that informed decision at 18 y/o.
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A fair point, but I did. I decided to be a DO as an 18yo college freshman. Granted, things are different today, but if I did it, and most of my classmates in med school did, then it is possible. I agree, many 18 yo's change their minds and majors. My point, is that life is full of choices, so best to make good ones.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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Damn bro that’s wild. My program director graduated from Harvard medical school, residency at Yale, and was formerly a program director for Dartmouth.

My program has many DOs in it.

This prestige thing really dates you bud. The only reason it matters at all is because people like you keep peddling this BS.
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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The new Knightdoc…
 
srirachamayonnaise said:
520+ is a waste for DO and you should plan the long term. Most likely in three years time, you would hate yourself for picking the easier route at the time. Basically you increase your difficulty level for the rest of your career. If you want the absolute truth, I will give you here.

EVERY MD looks down on DO in some way, whether they admit it or not.

Peeps who have no option but DO make peace with that. Ones like you (say 3.9/521) will hate that all through your career with a DO affer your name.

DO =\ MD. If you believe otherwise, I got a bridge to sell.
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I want to see your sources for “every MD looks down on DO”. I have a hard time believing that you know what you are talking about. since you are an M-2, you really have no clue what you are talking about. Wait until you get on the floors and in the ICU.

You have been proven wrong on multiple fronts. I am a DO, I am also an Intensivist and have saved the behind of many MD surgeons, I am a PD, head of two Code Blue Committees, Director of Simulation Education, and Director of ICU Rotation for the medical students

The Medical Directors of two ICUs I work in are DOs.

If anyone is buying a bridge, it is you. You will need a cup of coffee with the size of humble pie you will eat


As for the OP, ask yourself this. Do you want to be a doctor? Because now you have a 100% chance of going to medical school. If your want to give up a sure thing for a maybe, then give your seat up for someone that does.
 
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NontradICUdoc said:
I want to see your sources for “every MD looks down on DO”. I have a hard time believing that you know what you are talking about. since you are an M-2, you really have no clue what you are talking about. Wait until you get on the floors and in the ICU.

You have been proven wrong on multiple fronts. I am a DO, I am also an Intensivist and have saved the behind of many MD surgeons, I am a PD, head of two Code Blue Committees, Director of Simulation Education, and Director of ICU Rotation for the medical students

The Medical Directors of two ICUs I work in are DOs.

If anyone is buying a bridge, it is you. You will need a cup of coffee with the size of humble pie you will eat


As for the OP, ask yourself this. Do you want to be a doctor? Because now you have a 100% chance of going to medical school. If your want to give up a sure thing for a maybe, then give your seat up for someone that does.
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Tbh, if anyone had a choice, why would they go with the DO route. Who cares about your accomplishments other than you? If you don’t think I know what I am talking about, it’s your choice. But it’s almost unconscionable to not point out the choices OP has ahead of them. This site is heavily populated by DO’s for some reason, so anytime anyone says anything about DO’s, you just get this crazy wave of “I am a DO, and I did fine.” Just so you know, what you listed as accomplishments here are really not impressive as you think they are. Two code blue committees? Director of simulation education? Director of ICU rotations? Seriously, don’t toot your own horn with these rather ordinary things.

Just because you did ok, it doesn’t mean everyone else should take your route. If all you want to do is seeing patients for the rest of your life, I think DO is just fine. But many people want to branch out later in their life to venture into something else, DO will limit you substantially. Let me ask you this. If you get tired of being an ICU doc or you want to have a lighter load, what options do you have? Other than being in Med Ed at a DO school? it’s mind boggling when people don’t acknowledge the career limitation from a DO. The thing is this if you insist and pretend that DO offers exactly the same as MD, I am not here to argue about it. The facts speak for themselves.
 
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srirachamayonnaise said:
Tbh, if anyone had a choice, why would they go with the DO route. Who cares about your accomplishments other than you? If you don’t think I know what I am talking about, it’s your choice. But it’s almost unconscionable to not point out the choices OP has ahead of them. This site is heavily populated by DO’s for some reason, so anytime anyone says anything about DO’s, you just get this crazy wave of “I am a DO, and I did fine.” Just so you know, what you listed as accomplishments here are really not impressive as you think they are. Two code blue committees? Director of simulation education? Director of ICU rotations? Seriously, don’t toot your own horn with these rather ordinary things.

Just because you did ok, it doesn’t mean everyone else should take your route. If all you want to do is seeing patients for the rest of your life, I think DO is just fine. But many people want to branch out later in their life to venture into something else, DO will limit you substantially. Let me ask you this. If you get tired of being an ICU doc or you want to have a lighter load, what options do you have? Other than being in Med Ed at a DO school? it’s mind boggling when people don’t acknowledge the career limitation from a DO. The thing is this if you insist and pretend that DO offers exactly the same as MD, I am not here to argue about it. The facts speak for themselves.
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srirachamayonnaise said:
Tbh, if anyone had a choice, why would they go with the DO route. Who cares about your accomplishments other than you? If you don’t think I know what I am talking about, it’s your choice. But it’s almost unconscionable to not point out the choices OP has ahead of them. This site is heavily populated by DO’s for some reason, so anytime anyone says anything about DO’s, you just get this crazy wave of “I am a DO, and I did fine.” Just so you know, what you listed as accomplishments here are really not impressive as you think they are. Two code blue committees? Director of simulation education? Director of ICU rotations? Seriously, don’t toot your own horn with these rather ordinary things.

Just because you did ok, it doesn’t mean everyone else should take your route. If all you want to do is seeing patients for the rest of your life, I think DO is just fine. But many people want to branch out later in their life to venture into something else, DO will limit you substantially. Let me ask you this. If you get tired of being an ICU doc or you want to have a lighter load, what options do you have? Other than being in Med Ed at a DO school? it’s mind boggling when people don’t acknowledge the career limitation from a DO. The thing is this if you insist and pretend that DO offers exactly the same as MD, I am not here to argue about it. The facts speak for themselves.
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As an M -2 you have some balls to think that you know more than the attendings here.

Ordinary things? I hold your future in my hands. Program Directors can smell applicants like you a mile away and you will be eaten alive by residents, let alone attendings.

Now, go back and study for step -1.
 
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