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Thanks all for the encouragement and warranted grandparently scolding. Not to minimize the (taken to heart) advice to never do anything of the sort again.

And yeah I’m going to be talking to someone about the anxiety. But I won’t have to be anxious about something like this again.
 
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Overthinking it. The patient, and most importantly you, will be absolutely fine. In the future just be honest that you didn’t hear it or couldn’t get it or ask for help. All is well! Let yourself off the hook now…
 
I promise you nobody made any clinical decisions based on your BP attempt.

Take it as an important early Med school lesson: never lie. There will be countless more times you feel stupid and want to blurt something out to cover it up. You’re going to forget to ask a question that your attending asks, or forget to check a lab or imaging result. Or you’ll have forgotten to see a consult. And in those cases you’re going to be tempted to lie to cover your mistake and hope nobody notices, and you’ll feel even worse than you do now. Only at some point it will actually matter and people can get hurt, and trainees who lie tend to find themselves bounced from their program pretty fast.

Believe me, it’s much better to just admit you didn’t ask something or forgot the lab value. Much easier for the team to look it up again and nobody thinks any less of you.

Count this as a freebie where nothing bad happened and you learned a good lesson.
 
Nothing bad is going to happen to the patient because of this. His BP was "a little high" on the auto cuff, so it's almost impossible that you'd have found a BP that was in the scary high zone (think 220/120). And he had no symptoms, and labs normal so no evidence of end organ damage. So, no worries there.

The good news is that you seem to feel terrible about this. And that's good, because the most important thing when you're in medical training - whether a student or a resident - is trust with your preceptors. Once you start lying about things, or omitting things, or saying "it was normal" when you didn't do it / look for it at all -- it's only a matter of time before it does matter. And once those people around you don't trust you, you'll find it's very difficult to proceed.

No one expects students or residents to know everything. Just admit when you don't know, or something seems off, or you're not certain. Your preceptor is there to help you. And you won't improve unless someone shows you and helps.

Interestingly, your post which is entitled "Ethical question" doesn't actually pose the ethical question your action triggers: should you speak to your preceptor and admit the issue? Not because anything different will happen with the patient, but because it's your ethical duty to be honest with your preceptor. Like most ethical questions, there isn't a right answer. There are options, and you need to live with the consequences. You could talk to your preceptor about it. They may thank you for your honesty and tell you to ask them the next time you have a problem. They may kick you out of their office and refuse to work with you again (very unlikely). Either way, it's off your chest and you move forward with your life. Or, you keep quiet about it and there are no external consequences -- but you have to live with this. No right answer.
 
Unfortunately, there's no coming back from a bad manual BP reading in MS1; people in other cultures have committed sudoku for less.
Seppuku? Sudoku is the word puzzle

I agree with all the others OP--you'll be ok. But take this as a lesson to always be truthful in the future. Now is the time to look/be stupid so to speak, as you have educators who can teach/correct you.
 
Seppuku? Sudoku is the word puzzle

I agree with all the others OP--you'll be ok. But take this as a lesson to always be truthful in the future. Now is the time to look/be stupid so to speak, as you have educators who can teach/correct you.
The OP should really perform Sudoku. . . And be stuck with the Monday puzzles forever.
 
As a family doc who precepts med students, if a student reached out to me after the fact and told me they lied about a vital sign I would do nothing substantial either from a patient care or professionalism issue standpoint and just worry that the student must have horrific anxiety or some other mental health condition, frankly. It would not really be useful information to me in any way, especially if the rotation is over. I think most of us in medicine have been in a position where we were at least tempted to pretend to know something. But, you are right that this type of behavior can harm patients at times.

What you should do: about this past situation - nothing. In the future - don't lie!! Even if attendings/residents are enough of an a-hole to judge you for not knowing something, they will judge you WAY harder if you lie. "I don't know, can you help me learn?" is ALWAYS, ALWAYS an acceptable answer. The whole point of medical school is that you don't know things, and you need to learn them, so there is never any reason to feel bad about being unsure.
 
In the future - “I don’t know how to do this.” may kill a patient down the road. But lying about something may kill a patient more than the prior.
 
In the future - “I don’t know how to do this.” may kill a patient down the road. But lying about something may kill a patient more than the prior.
Sorry how would being honest about not knowing how to do something/getting help from someone who does kill a patient?
 
What I meant was “not knowing.” I never mean anything in a mean way. I know that it’s a learning experience. All of us just need to learn as much as possible to deliver the best possible care.
 
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I had a classmate in a similar predicament first year. He should be out of prison by 2030 or 2035 I think.
 
LOL i am about to be an attending and even I don’t hear sounds every single time I check a BP.

Moral of the story though: never lie, it gets you nowhere.
 
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