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I would encourage you to learn about the various ethnicities in different "racial" groups. Followed by learning about "class", rather than SES.I do think that might be one of my own biases, is tendency use race as a proxy for ethnicity, subculture, and SES.
More like responding to that question with aggressive/defensive question of your own, but I think you know what I'm talking about.Like this: "Pfff... sounds like a buncha namby pamby stuff."
More like responding to that question with aggressive/defensive question of your own, but I think you know what I'm talking about.
We use all sorts of visual cues, symbols, etc. that are often culture bound. Some of our routine behavioral descriptions of patients are based on how a person looks. I make a determination of what is "appropriate" dress and hygiene based on cultural norms for this area. Some of my younger clients will come into my office in their pajamas. My brain is less likely to pick up on this when I'm tired, hungry, etc. as a thing to check in on because I'm used to seeing this behavior as levels of formality shift. If an older client come in with pajamas, it is more likely to cue my brain because it is less common for me to see. The individual reasons are going to vary person to person but I will notice it more in older folks. I need to be aware that I'm noticing it to make sure I don't lean on erroneous information based on passive societal information I have been exposed to. I don't want to do away with this information. I want it to be culturally and content specific. I can only attend to so many things at once. What is salient to me will consistently shift. I am constantly making decisions about what is important to attend to and what is most likely to be irrelevant. Because I am constantly filtering information, I need to be diligent about how it is being filter.Under what conditions is it acceptable to assume the existence of bias, based upon appearance?
Research supports this. We are always making judgements/evaluations/decisions about where to focus our attention. In times of high cognitive demand, we're much less likely to stop and reflect on our initial assumptions. Also as the power imbalance increases, folks are less likely to examine assumptions. Combine the two (high stress + large power imbalance) and the results can be deadly.My brain is less likely to pick up on this when I'm tired, hungry, etc..... I am constantly making decisions about what is important to attend to and what is most likely to be irrelevant. Because I am constantly filtering information, I need to be diligent about how it is being filter.
That describes bias, but does not answer my question. Under what specific observable conditions can someone claim you are biased? Outside of objective evidence the claim that someone is biased, is speculative.We use all sorts of visual cues, symbols, etc. that are often culture bound. Some of our routine behavioral descriptions of patients are based on how a person looks. I make a determination of what is "appropriate" dress and hygiene based on cultural norms for this area. Some of my younger clients will come into my office in their pajamas. My brain is less likely to pick up on this when I'm tired, hungry, etc. as a thing to check in on because I'm used to seeing this behavior as levels of formality shift. If an older client come in with pajamas, it is more likely to cue my brain because it is less common for me to see. The individual reasons are going to vary person to person but I will notice it more in older folks. I need to be aware that I'm noticing it to make sure I don't lean on erroneous information based on passive societal information I have been exposed to. I don't want to do away with this information. I want it to be culturally and content specific. I can only attend to so many things at once. What is salient to me will consistently shift. I am constantly making decisions about what is important to attend to and what is most likely to be irrelevant. Because I am constantly filtering information, I need to be diligent about how it is being filter.
Research supports this. We are always making judgements/evaluations/decisions about where to focus our attention. In times of high cognitive demand, we're much less likely to stop and reflect on our initial assumptions. Also as the power imbalance increases, folks are less likely to examine assumptions. Combine the two (high stress + large power imbalance) and the results can be deadly.
I assume it based on species (and make the assumption that anyone demonstrating stimulus equivalence through spoken or written language is a member of Homo Sapiens). Though there is some evidence- IIRC- that I could also assume it based on Genus. At the tribe and subfamily level, intergroup aggression/segregation is probably not due to biases, as we would currently identify them, but rather to more innate/instinctual behavior that would be difficult to change at the level of the individual organism.Under what conditions is it acceptable to assume the existence of bias, based upon appearance?
being human and having thoughts, feelings, or behaviorsUnder what specific observable conditions can someone claim you are biased?
Right. It doesn't really matter that I know or understand your assumptions. I don't think that's the point. It's not the point I'm trying to make.You cannot know the other person's assumptions, until they tell you.
There is plenty of evidence to say that you, as a member of our species (I know- big assumption there) are biased. However, it would be much less accurate and evidenced based to state any specific nature of your bias. It would be even less evidenced based to assume specific behaviors on your part that result from that bias (i.e. discrimination). If your position is that you'd be more correct to to assume that a human was not biased in any way, I'd suggest you were being disingenuous or argumentative (because I don't think you're ignorant).My point: Someone is claiming X about another person, without evidence. That evidence-less claim is discordant from the professional standards of almost any other personality variable.
If you wrote a report that said someone had an intellectual disability, I would want to see scores and history to support that position. That standard is dismissed in the case of bias.
Wouldn't any potential objective measurement of bias also be.............incredibly biased by design?If you wrote a report that said someone had an intellectual disability, I would want to see scores and history to support that position. That standard is dismissed in the case of bias.
We agree ahead of time that we are each fallible and make mistakes. We agree that we have probably done whatever problematic thing we’re being accused of, or some part of it, and so we can let go of assuming a defensive stance to prove our virtue or competence. Because we are fallible, it is agreed that we will inevitably violate all of these agreements, and when this is done we will rely on each other to point out the polarity and move to a synthesis. - Kelly Koerner
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To me, the question is how harmful are the biases rather than whether one has any biases. I think it is fair to say that all human being have some sort of biases in the area.My point: Someone is claiming X about another person, without evidence. That evidence-less claim is discordant from the professional standards of almost any other personality variable.
If you wrote a report that said someone had an intellectual disability, I would want to see scores and history to support that position. That standard is dismissed in the case of bias.
I wonder if there are any cognitive/experimental psychologists feeling like this is their time to shine.
Heck yeah!I have an additional advanced degree in cognitive neuroscience, does that count?
Ah yes, bad drivers. Whenever I see a jacked up giant truck aka an Emotional Support Truck (EST), covered in flags & vulgar bumper stickers, with a pair of plastic testicles on the trailer hitch I think to myself "I wonder if they would prefer constructive feedback (delivered verbally or using hand gestures) or if they prefer vigorous debate?" I would try to keep it on topic, but often unrelated topics and assumptions seem to come up. By that point I've not even considered their race or ethnicity, but I would look for context clues so as to not let my own opinions and prior experiences shade my perspective. Just because someone NEEEEEEDS their emotional support truck to survive, with its obnoxiously large flags and music that everyone in a 5 county radius can hear, doesn't mean that I should "assume" anything. At that point the Emotional Support Truck driver usually reveals themselves through calm discourse, though sometimes...and I don't mean to imply everyone, but sometimes...they might come off a bit more...aggressive, waving a gun, loudly inquiring about my country of origin, etc. Some people have a strong interest in geography, so who am I discourage their genuine interest in other countries and cultures? It's at this point I would usually invite them to visit different places, and often I might even offer my assistance to get them to those places, post-haste. Being able to engage in quality discourse and not fall into old biases and ideas is key in these interactions. Benny Hill said it best when he said, you mustn't ASSUME or you make an ass out of u and me. Funny lad that one.Traffic has become a "fun" laboratory for examining my biases. CA traffic is bad and I often feel stressed. When I encounter a "bad driver" I allow my mind to run with my bias. Who do I imagine is driving that car? What clues lead me to believe that? As much as possible I attempt to verify my imagined bad driver, and guess what? I'm usually wrong and able to dig a little deeper into my automatic thoughts. If my wife is in the car we share with each other who we think is driving and similarly debrief.
I busted out my Fisk textbook. Pretty sure I have old photocopies of Sue articles hanging around somewhere, too.*Busts out his Sue & Sue textbook*
Gotta make sure I get this right....
being neither, the way I oversimplify it for students goes something like this:I wonder if there are any cognitive/experimental psychologists feeling like this is their time to shine.
I'd add social psychologists to that listI wonder if there are any cognitive/experimental psychologists feeling like this is their time to shine.
Views of the world, reality, another person, one's self, etc. all can vary with respect to how 'accurate' they are based on reason and evidence. If two (or more) people are engaged in an exploratory process, in good faith, of trying to identify and test their assumptions about these things, then, I mean that's the central task of all psychotherapy (and science), no?Wouldn't any potential objective measurement of bias also be.............incredibly biased by design?
In an ideal case scenario, I see the calling out/addressing of bias not like scarlett letter/cancel culture-y but as an opportunity to reflect and be more thoughtful/aware. I know it doesn't work out that way a lot of time, including by people who self-identify as warriors for justice.
My personal perspective is that there's always many degrees of bias always happening. From the person calling it out, the person being called out, the random person just minding their own business in that same space, etc. And that's OK because we are human and bias is fundamental for organzing and categorizing and making decisions and so on and so forth.
But we also can benefit from continued reflection and awareness of how we are navigating living in a culture that is informed by all kinds of beliefs.
I am a DBT person and I especially love the falliability team agreeement and when I try to actually try to live my life in this way, it's super powerful. Because the point isn't identifying or triangulating the mistake/bias but about what comes next and whether what comes next can be bettered by this awareness/reflection/etc:
Wouldn't any potential objective measurement of bias also be.............incredibly biased by design?
In an ideal case scenario, I see the calling out/addressing of bias not like scarlett letter/cancel culture-y but as an opportunity to reflect and be more thoughtful/aware. I know it doesn't work out that way a lot of time, including by people who self-identify as warriors for justice.
My personal perspective is that there's always many degrees of bias always happening. From the person calling it out, the person being called out, the random person just minding their own business in that same space, etc. And that's OK because we are human and bias is fundamental for organzing and categorizing and making decisions and so on and so forth.
But we also can benefit from continued reflection and awareness of how we are navigating living in a culture that is informed by all kinds of beliefs.
I am a DBT person and I especially love the falliability team agreeement and when I try to actually try to live my life in this way, it's super powerful. Because the point isn't identifying or triangulating the mistake/bias but about what comes next and whether what comes next can be bettered by this awareness/reflection/etc:
Argumentum ad ridiculumSo the construct cannot be measured or defined, and it is likely a reflexive construct anyway, but people can make statements about it, without any evidence.
Agreed.I think the telling issue is that the original question is only asked of certain people. Psychology is not overly concerned with bias as an overall construct. They are overly concerned with a specific set of alleged biases.
So the construct cannot be measured or defined, and it is likely a reflexive construct anyway, but people can make statements about it, without any evidence.
Agreed.
I'd also add that it's one thing to assert that there are demonstrable 'biases' that can be studied nomothetically (say, in research studies) vs. asserting that a particular individual IS engaging in a bias in a particular context with a particular other individual.
And, last I heard, the whole replication crisis hit the areas of social psychology (in general) and the whole prejudice/bias area pretty hard.
In an individual context, the term 'bias' comes off as a pretty loaded (and unidirectional) insult/accusation rather than as an open invitation to inquiry among equals.
No. I expect intellectual consistency. We're all biased. Doesn't mean we all act on it.What they are wanting is something like.... "I am a white, cis-gender, LGBTQIA+, pro-colonial, socio-economically advantaged psychologist who may or may not engage in gaslighting of various minority group members due to my inherent proclivity towards micro-aggressions regarding justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion (JEDI), because I have internalized homophobia that may or may not influence individuals who may struggle with internalized racism."
How'd I do?
I feel like I need to go to a strip joint after saying that.
Also, freaking' strawman. C'mon, folks- be better.What they are wanting is something like.... "I am a white, cis-gender, LGBTQIA+, pro-colonial, socio-economically advantaged psychologist who may or may not engage in gaslighting of various minority group members due to my inherent proclivity towards micro-aggressions regarding justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion (JEDI), because I have internalized homophobia that may or may not influence individuals who may struggle with internalized racism."
How'd I do?
I feel like I need to go to a strip joint after saying that.
No. I expect intellectual consistency. We're all biased. Doesn't mean we all act on it.
Also, freaking' strawman. C'mon, folks- be better.
The evolutionary angle is an interesting observation.I will attempt to provide an opinion as to not lean in any one particular direction (i.e. yes we are all biased vs. no we are not). From a neuroscientific perspective, our brains very much process information in various modalities (e.g., parallel processes, nodal distributions) that make it more plausible than not, that such information processing models outline that our brains constantly integrate information, store it, consolidate, re-consolidate, and retrieve information from various sensory inputs, and are computed in such a way that aligns with how that information is maximally processed and used (e.g., cyto-architectural specificity). All of this is to say, that it's also plausible that information is processed in such a way, then it is more implausible that we would be without the ability to retrieve information that varies in sensory modality as well as valence (e.g., strong vs. weak). So, this is where one could integrate the cognitive perspective, especially developmental and social cognition where such valences and sensory modalities will be very context specific, (e.g., being in combat, your wedding day, etc. and how those experiences were integrated from a sensory perspective). So, for example, it would make sense that it is likely that if you are to experience a traumatic situation such as combat, that one is experiencing that event via multiple modalities (e.g., touch, sound, sight, smell, etc.), and are further influenced by neurochemical processes that could enhance that information processing and storage. If one's brain has developed in an adverse environment (e.g., being poor, exposed to poverty, etc.), then their information processes will be relative and specific to them. If certain life experiences activate schemas or "nodes" throughout their life, then it is possible that any information learned from times past will be activated and used to apply to a given novel situation (e.g., top-down process).
Alternatively, we also have various decision-making and bias models proposed by Daniel Kahneman and Elizabeth Loftus that take these perspectives and shape them in a specific way. Loftus's perspectives on erroneous eye witness testimony could be evidence that from a social perspective, our past experiences could skew how we go about our lives and integrate information that is consistent with ones' beliefs and expectations, thus, depending on the nature of a crime that one is being asked to testify in, information gleaned by the eye witness my be skewed from the very beginning and could be mis-construed as being reliable due to how vivid and confident the witness expresses themselves.
So...perhaps bias exists? Maybe. Bias is more of a social and cognitive construct vs. that of a biological one as the available methods of measuring such phenomena are not very unitary to promote optimal construct validity. We can hook people up to do various psychophysical testing, use DTI, fMRI, etc. to look at associations between a behavior and supposed/hypothesized brain activity, but they are just that....hypothesized. That's the best modern science really has to offer at the moment. So, as long as there is a level of uncertainty associated with studying psychological constructs, there were always be questions that cannot be 100% answered, and therefore, are open for speculation.
My brain hurts after typing all of this...
That's not a woke term. And, that's alsonanother strawman.Ah...yes, sorry, I need to keep a glossary of the latest woke terms on my desk. They grow every day.
I think the telling issue is that the original question is only asked of certain people. Psychology is not overly concerned with bias as an overall construct. They are overly concerned with a specific set of alleged biases.
We are all biased. We are not all racist/discriminatory/etc.Then some questions I have:
1. Do you think that people haven't realized this before? Are we to assume that people with above average intelligence haven't sat and pondered about maybe how their biases (if they have any) are impacting how they practice? This has only recently became flavor of the month, especially as it coincides with the JEDI movement.
2. How will verbally stating to yourself "hi, my name is Bob, and I am a "fill in the blank bias of your choice" change anything? Are you doing it for yourself or for others? If for others, do you think that is adding significant value to their lives, how they receive you as a provider, etc?
That's not a woke term. And, that's alsonanother strawman.