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I don't see any. Is the MOC cheaper? Is the MOC easier?
If so, that alone is good enough reason to jump from ABPN.

(MOC is garbage. If they were originally so concerned about quality of aging doctors, they wouldn't have grandfathered them out. Complete bureaucratic racket. We could use a DOGE/Flexner to clean house thru medicine again.)
 
No disadvantages at all from what I hear, AOA equals ABMS legally and accepted everywhere.
 
Okay I do get that it says MD medical schools are allowed, but there is ALOT of OMT weirdness required here. Am I reading that wrong?

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  • Eligibility requirements for OMT Performance Exam for non-DOs:
    • Completion of the osteopathic educational requirements of an ACGME-accredited program with Osteopathic Recognition as verified by the Director of Osteopathic Education.
    • Individuals who did not complete a program with osteopathic recognition may petition the AOBFP for eligibility. Learn more."
Also, there's still MOC, although they call it "OCC." I really wish Nixon had been successful transitioning all the DOs to MDs in the 60's. This stuff is really silly.
 
comp1 said:
Okay I do get that it says MD medical schools are allowed, but there is ALOT of OMT weirdness required here. Am I reading that wrong?

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  • Eligibility requirements for OMT Performance Exam for non-DOs:
    • Completion of the osteopathic educational requirements of an ACGME-accredited program with Osteopathic Recognition as verified by the Director of Osteopathic Education.
    • Individuals who did not complete a program with osteopathic recognition may petition the AOBFP for eligibility. Learn more."
Also, there's still MOC, although they call it "OCC." I really wish Nixon had been successful transitioning all the DOs to MDs in the 60's. This stuff is really silly.
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I believe that is for family medicine
 
Honestly for all the negative press ABPN gets, I really like the article pathway, and the requirements are pretty reasonable. Is there maybe some things that could be shaved off and drop my dues by $100 a year? Sure, but there are at least 99 things more pressing in my life than worrying about that. It's worth a few extra bucks to remain accredited with the MD organization least it impact a single job/patient throughout your career or just the psychic benefit of not being associated with OMT...
 
I have both ABPN and AOBNP certs and renewed both this year. You previously could match ABPN to AOBNP if you bought a membership in the AOA hence why I got both.

AOBNP renewal is easier in a sense with less hours needed. I was initially thinking of dropping ABPN but it's hard to find affordable AOA category 1A credit, the free 1A credits tend to be OMM related voodoo, and your CME isn't tracked (or at least visible on your end) unless you're also a member of the AOA or pay an additional $199.

TLDR AOBNP is more expensive than ABPN and/or just takes more time to find stuff. If you attend conferences with AOA category 1A CME regularly, and would already maintain membership in the AOA, AOBNP is easier to renew and more affordable than ABPN.
 
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comp1 said:
Okay I do get that it says MD medical schools are allowed, but there is ALOT of OMT weirdness required here. Am I reading that wrong?

"
  • Eligibility requirements for OMT Performance Exam for non-DOs:
    • Completion of the osteopathic educational requirements of an ACGME-accredited program with Osteopathic Recognition as verified by the Director of Osteopathic Education.
    • Individuals who did not complete a program with osteopathic recognition may petition the AOBFP for eligibility. Learn more."
Also, there's still MOC, although they call it "OCC." I really wish Nixon had been successful transitioning all the DOs to MDs in the 60's. This stuff is really silly.
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The OMM stuff past med school is truly minimal. It doesn’t matter, whichever you choose. But osteopathic certified does serve the purpose that if MD were to get too outlandish then everyone could jump. And to the point of others, this is all a racket anyways. No one is concerned about actual learning through this junk. Most docs continue to learn organically through reading whatever patient questions come up. Pick the easiest and cheapest one to maintain. Nixon failing in that is great because then there wouldn’t be an alternative
 
Any MD take the do boards? I didn’t pass abpn recently and thinking of doing the do boards to try to get certified so then I will have a little less pressure to get abpn certified. Shouldn’t matter from an insurance stand point correct?
 
Sushirolls said:
Oh, there are alternatives in eyes of state laws, billing capabilities, and now even scope of practice.
ND
DNP
DC
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I've joked that I should go back to school to get a DNP because it would increase my billing rate with insurers (since I could enroll at primary care billing rates rather than psychiatry rates) and reduce recertification hassles
 
throwaway99233 said:
Any MD take the do boards? I didn’t pass abpn recently and thinking of doing the do boards to try to get certified so then I will have a little less pressure to get abpn certified. Shouldn’t matter from an insurance stand point correct?
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It will not matter from insurance. Legally equal entities
 
claypigeon said:
I have both ABPN and AOBNP certs and renewed both this year. You previously could match ABPN to AOBNP if you bought a membership in the AOA hence why I got both.

AOBNP renewal is easier in a sense with less hours needed. I was initially thinking of dropping ABPN but it's hard to find affordable AOA category 1A credit, the free 1A credits tend to be OMM related voodoo, and your CME isn't tracked (or at least visible on your end) unless you're also a member of the AOA or pay an additional $199.

TLDR AOBNP is more expensive than ABPN and/or just takes more time to find stuff. If you attend conferences with AOA category 1A CME regularly, and would already maintain membership in the AOA, AOBNP is easier to renew and more affordable than ABPN.
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How did the abpn test compare to the aobnp test? Thinking of doing the aobnp test
 
throwaway99233 said:
Thanks! Hopefully my job won’t care either. Certified is certified ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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They can’t discriminate legally either. If they do, the AOA wants to hear about it and their lawyers will send a letter to the employer. How some people have tackled this is just put board certified in X specialty on their CV. Then during onboarding they just submit osteo boards and say nothing. Not likely anything is mentioned but if it is then let AOA know.
 
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They can’t discriminate legally either. If they do, the AOA wants to hear about it and their lawyers will send a letter to the employer. How some people have tackled is this just put board certified in X specialty on their CV. Then during onboarding they just submit osteo boards and say nothing. Not likely anything is mentioned but if it is then let AOA know.
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Thank you!!! Let me get to studying again!! Ugh I don’t know why this test is so challenging. Trying to not let it define me as I know I’m a good doctor.
 
Mad Jack said:
I've joked that I should go back to school to get a DNP because it would increase my billing rate with insurers (since I could enroll at primary care billing rates rather than psychiatry rates) and reduce recertification hassles
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Hey the psych NP at my hospital made IT change his name in EPIC to say DNP. It’s weird because his name appears as “XYZ, NP (now DNP)”. And the social workers are now calling him doctor. 🤮 😢
 
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Hey the psych NP at my hospital made IT change his name in EPIC to say DNP. It’s weird because his name appears as XYZ, NP (now DNP). And the social workers are now calling him doctor. 🤮 😢
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I promise, you're still getting paid more, likely at least 2.5x more.
 
comp1 said:
I promise, you're still getting paid more, likely at least 2.5x more.
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Sure, but it's still such an insult to use Dr for the DNP practice. Not withstanding MDs, the way they put it through as a pseudoPhD is such a joke. It's like 9 months of light work beyond the 2 years of light NP training. Real PhDs these days run an average of 6-7 years most working 60-80 hours/week. I think at this point we should hand out white coats and doctorate certificates at local community centers...
 
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