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I have heard a few comments this semester from my classmates that most people do not get into vet school the first time that they apply. Also, I have read articles on the web where the writers had said that most do not get in on their first attempt. Obviously, a lot of people do not get in who apply. But, the question is: Are the people who don't get in on their first try just mediocre students who have no vet experience or poor grades? Or do they have all the credentials, but the vet school is just testing them?
 
Many people who have the credential are not admitted. The vet schools are not "testing" them...there are many more applicants than spaces in the vets schools. The vets schools accept those applicants they feel will do the best in vet school. Those who have the right credentials but don't get in can improve their test scores, grades and add to their experiences to compete at a higher level the following year.
 
I applied last year and was wait listed at four schools. I definitely did not have the vet experience hours that other people seem to have on here, but I am glad I still applied. I was able to find out my weak areas, which was primarily the experience, and have worked to improve them. Even though I lacked the hours, I still had several other aspects of my application that were apparently strong enough to put me in the #2 spot for my IS school. In my experience, they really do seem to look at the whole picture. At least that's how I feel because I was a little shocked to have done that well, especially after seeing the hours other people have who didn't get in at all.
 
I applied last year and was wait listed at four schools. I definitely did not have the vet experience hours that other people seem to have on here, but I am glad I still applied. I was able to find out my weak areas, which was primarily the experience, and have worked to improve them. Even though I lacked the hours, I still had several other aspects of my application that were apparently strong enough to put me in the #2 spot for my IS school. In my experience, they really do seem to look at the whole picture. At least that's how I feel because I was a little shocked to have done that well, especially after seeing the hours other people have who didn't get in at all.

What schools did you apply to? And, how many vet hours did you have?
 
What schools did you apply to? And, how many vet hours did you have?

I had like 80 hours I believe, which is horrible, and I applied to Penn (IS), Tufts, Glasgow, Georgia and VA-MD (the only school I was flat out rejected from). I had other experiences that probably helped like 150 hours as an intern keeper at a zoo and about 1300 hours as a lab assistant at my school, which involved some animal care. I'm now working as a vet assistant at a local clinic so hopefully it will work out this year.
 
But, the question is: Are the people who don't get in on their first try just mediocre students who have no vet experience or poor grades? Or do they have all the credentials, but the vet school is just testing them?

Every year there's a group of very bright people with lots of experience who despite having done pretty well in recent coursework don't get in because they for one reason for another had a shoddy UG gpa. Sometimes it takes a lot to overcome that, and many times it means more than one application cycle.

There's also always a group of people who didn't know just what it would take to get in, or people who know they're kind of borderline but they want to apply "just to see."

But then, there's also always a group of people who have the "average" stats or even "above average" stats all around that end up not making it.

Because I clearly have nothing better to do (cough cough, like studying for imminent exam), I decided to make a graph that I think represents vet school admissions. Since there are so many hoops to get through to even get to the application stage, I feel like the normal distribution is skewed a bit to the right so that the average applicant ends up being people with pretty good qualifications. And given that something close to 50% of applicants don't matriculate (right?) I think it looks kinda like this.
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy109/minnerbelle/crapshoot.jpg
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So if you're somewhere between good and great, your name might as well be on a dartboard for any particular vet school (unless there's something sparkly and irresistable about you that catches people's attention). It's the dreaded, "you're a solid candidate, but we have so many qualified applicants this year" group. And what's worse is that criteria change for what makes someone a great or awesome applicant from school to school so it makes it really a big crapshoot.

So at least from what I've seen on these boards, it seems to be more a matter of how broadly/smartly people apply in terms of good/great applicants getting accepted. I think it's kind of rare to see solid applicants not get in anywhere if they've applied broadly to schools that accept lots of OOS students as well as their IS. I have a hard time believing that someone with solid academics/experience would be rejected by all 28 or so vet schools (that person would be incredibly unlucky). But then again, applying broadly/smartly for admissions doesn't necessarily mean applying smartly for your career and future. If my IS was waaaaay cheaper than any of the other OOS schools, I would have been much more concerned about getting accepted to that IS school over getting accepted just anywhere.
 
I had like 80 hours I believe, which is horrible, and I applied to Penn (IS), Tufts, Glasgow, Georgia and VA-MD (the only school I was flat out rejected from). I had other experiences that probably helped like 150 hours as an intern keeper at a zoo and about 1300 hours as a lab assistant at my school, which involved some animal care. I'm now working as a vet assistant at a local clinic so hopefully it will work out this year.

Wow! I guess you done pretty good to get waitlisted with only 80 hours of vet experience. You will probably get in next year.
 
Every year there's a group of very bright people with lots of experience who despite having done pretty well in recent coursework don't get in because they for one reason for another had a shoddy UG gpa. Sometimes it takes a lot to overcome that, and many times it means more than one application cycle.

There's also always a group of people who didn't know just what it would take to get in, or people who know they're kind of borderline but they want to apply "just to see."

But then, there's also always a group of people who have the "average" stats or even "above average" stats all around that end up not making it.

Pretty much. In my class at LSU there were 674 applicants. 87 were admitted. That means 13% of those who applied got in.... and scatter around sections (Arkansas contracts, OOS, Puerto Rico contracts, IS) that leaves less of a pot for each category.

I was waitlisted at LSU. Was I rejected? No. But it was still mind blowing that they had wait-listed me. ME. I was a stand-out applicant, with great grades and experience for days. And yet I was wait-listed... why? I didn't know then and I don't know now. I was just grateful they called me off of it 3 months later.

I think honestly sometimes they may just draw out of a hat. I can't magine that it hasn't ever come down to two applicants with exactly equal pros/cons that makes the decision impossible. But, they have to pick someone...
 
this thread is not helping with my current anxiety about applying this year...i feel like i've got a good mix of schools, but a lot of schools that accept a lot of OOS applicants i can't apply to because i don't meet the prerequisites...

😱
 
this thread is not helping with my current anxiety about applying this year...i feel like i've got a good mix of schools, but a lot of schools that accept a lot of OOS applicants i can't apply to because i don't meet the prerequisites...

😱

Do you, let them do them... do the best you can.... can't measure yourself against other people.
 
Most people at OVC get in on their first attempt (90-something of my class of 117 got in on their 1st attempt), which is strange. I think nowadays, with the competition to get into vet school, most people don't apply until they're reasonably sure that they have a shot. They just don't get in because there are other great candidates competing for the same spot too.
 
According to Ohio States website the vast majority of each incoming class got in on the first try and almost all the rest on the second try, very few that got in applied more than twice. I think that is a little misleading if you interpret it as you stand a good chance of getting in because most people get in on their first try. I think it is more like a lot of people give up after the first try and don't reapply.

Sunnex, I know the feeling, I go from being really confident to 😱 I don't stand a chance. We just need to focus on our own applications and experiences and do the best we can.
 
Wow! I guess you done pretty good to get waitlisted with only 80 hours of vet experience. You will probably get in next year.

He/she also had over a thousand hours of lab/research experience. That definitely counts. I had thousands of research hours (only a little of it animal related) and maybe only 100-150 clinical hours from working as an assistant (aka kennel cleaner) in a small animal clinic for about a month, just to say I did. My grades were good, as was GRE - solid, not amazing, but very solid. I got in my first try. They likely overlooked the clinical hours because your lab experience made you unique, and schools are always pushing the research angle. it's about distinguishing yourself, not racking up 4 gazillion hours in clinics.
 
the worst thing about me is that i want to be a board certified criticalist and later go into shelter medicine, and i feel that it makes me just another one in a million 🙁
 
Yup. There are tons and tons of applicants with high GPAs, tons of clinic hours, stellar GREs, etc, etc. They eventually just all blend together. Of course, when you interview, it is easier to make a name for yourself - but on paper, you need to stand out first in order to get that interview. And a lot of it can not even be related to basic small animal/large animal clinical veterinary medicine. International work, leadership work, comparative medicine, research, volunteering....the possibilities are endless.

They are not just looking for who will be good veterinarians. The vast majority of people who apply with good stats and experience would make good veterinarians. They are looking a) why you want to go to THEIR school and b) what you would BRING to their school in terms of diversity of experiences.
 
I had a female classmate tell me the other day tell me that I stand a better shot of getting into vet school than here because I am a guy. How do you all feel about that? Do you think male applicants have a better shot at getting in, since there are so many female students that apply?
 
I had a female classmate tell me the other day tell me that I stand a better shot of getting into vet school than here because I am a guy. How do you all feel about that? Do you think male applicants have a better shot at getting in, since there are so many female students that apply?

I would consider it extremely biased and unfair if they did. It should be about your qualifications, not what genitalia you have.
 
I had a female classmate tell me the other day tell me that I stand a better shot of getting into vet school than here because I am a guy. How do you all feel about that? Do you think male applicants have a better shot at getting in, since there are so many female students that apply?

That's a common perception among pre-vets (I know I worried about it), but the schools swear up and down that this is not the case. If there is discrimination, I suspect it's subconscious on the part of the adcoms. I don't think about it much anymore because it's obvious that the guys in our class are just as qualified and work just as hard as the girls and vice versa. In short, if your application is subpar, your chromosomes won't save you. Adcoms make sure that everyone who gets in has the chops to be there. Like with any other applicant pool concern, you're best off just focusing on putting together the best application you can; sizing up the competition will only give you headaches.
 
How do you all feel about that? Do you think male applicants have a better shot at getting in, since there are so many female students that apply?

I think that nobody's answer here will be definitive unless that person actually happens to have statistical data that could shed insight into it (namely, the number of applicants broken down by sex alongside the number of successful candidates, also split out by sex, and several years worth of history of that data).

If I were to guess - which is all it'd be - I'd say her assertion is incorrect and that men and women are basically evaluated equally and fairly.

I'd take pooter's advice to heart: whatever the answer, it's completely out of your control. So don't add anxiety to the process by worrying about it; do your best with what you have and what you can control.

Of course, I'm a completely unqualified guy who was given a spot. 😉
 
Let it Snow-I think you're pretty well qualified or you wouldn't have been chosen (or was that just a little joke?)
 
I have heard a few comments this semester from my classmates that most people do not get into vet school the first time that they apply. Also, I have read articles on the web where the writers had said that most do not get in on their first attempt. Obviously, a lot of people do not get in who apply. But, the question is: Are the people who don't get in on their first try just mediocre students who have no vet experience or poor grades? Or do they have all the credentials, but the vet school is just testing them?

I highly doubt there is any 'testing' going on- that would be counter productive and frankly when it comes down to it, the ad coms are just trying to fill seats. Its cut and dry to a point, if you don't fit the criteria, you don't get a seat.

The reason why most people don't get in, is because there are more people applying then there are seats available.
 
:slap:
Stupid male/female debate.
 
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