1st year with a couple of questions

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I'm working really hard. And I'm doing fine. But I would like to be doing better. I don't think I'm efficient at studying. Also, I study the wrong things. If you are having some success at pharmacy school, what are your methods? Do you have a process? I need some pointers.

Also, I'm not used to forming relationships with professors. I really want to change this habit. I enjoy being an independent learner. When I don't understand something, I enjoy the challenge of figuring it out with the use of my various resources. So, a couple of times I have found reasons to go talk to a professor...but usually I have to seek out something to ask. A lot of times I feel like if I were to walk into a professor's office I'd just be like, "Hey...just wanted to uhh...say hey." lol I know it's important to talk to the professors though. Is this just a matter of making myself do it? lol What kinds of things do you talk to your professors about? Is it always related to the material? Should I ask them what to focus on? I realize this is a silly question... but I don't want to just keep doing nothing about it. Any tips or suggestions?
 
One thing that helps me is being able to figure out what a professor will focus on when thinking of questions to ask.

It does take some trial and error on some parts, but once you can figure that out, it makes studying a lot easier.

And as for talking to your professors, if you go visit them in their offices, they'll tell you a ittle about their hobbies, then you'll have more topics to talk about when you see the in the hallway or in between classes.
 
I'm working really hard. And I'm doing fine. But I would like to be doing better. I don't think I'm efficient at studying. Also, I study the wrong things. If you are having some success at pharmacy school, what are your methods? Do you have a process? I need some pointers.

You may find some relevant advice here:Unsolicited Advice For Incoming Students (I am biased though 😀). Also, congrats that you are doing fine. 👍

I know it's important to talk to the professors though. Is this just a matter of making myself do it? lol What kinds of things do you talk to your professors about? Is it always related to the material? Should I ask them what to focus on? I realize this is a silly question... but I don't want to just keep doing nothing about it. Any tips or suggestions?

Says who?
 
Says who?
Oh come on, if you're buddies with the professors, you're on the fast track to a 4.0. Dean's list is just short for "dean's list of best friends" so go hang out with him and he'll give you all the answers to exam questions.



But in all seriousness, being on good terms with a professor will probably mean they're more willing to help you out/give you the benefit of the doubt in case of any problems. It can be helpful when grading is subjective, like soap notes, care plans, pro/con presentations, etc. Personally, I wouldn't awkwardly hop into their office and just make small talk, but if I recently read something that is kind of related to a topic they lectured about, I would go and ask them about it.
 
Oh come on, if you're buddies with the professors, you're on the fast track to a 4.0. Dean's list is just short for "dean's list of best friends" so go hang out with him and he'll give you all the answers to exam questions.



But in all seriousness, being on good terms with a professor will probably mean they're more willing to help you out/give you the benefit of the doubt in case of any problems. It can be helpful when grading is subjective, like soap notes, care plans, pro/con presentations, etc. Personally, I wouldn't awkwardly hop into their office and just make small talk, but if I recently read something that is kind of related to a topic they lectured about, I would go and ask them about it.

You totally had me going! :laugh:

I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but I don't think being besties with your professors is necessary. If a relationship develops organically, great. If not, I wouldn't worry about it. Who cares if the professor doesn't know your name? Just do the work and move on. 👍

I have to say though, being at a distant site has changed my views on this. In the past I would have completely agreed with the whole "get to know your professor" bit. Now, not so much. 😉
 
I'm working really hard. And I'm doing fine. But I would like to be doing better. I don't think I'm efficient at studying. Also, I study the wrong things. If you are having some success at pharmacy school, what are your methods? Do you have a process? I need some pointers.

Also, I'm not used to forming relationships with professors. I really want to change this habit. I enjoy being an independent learner. When I don't understand something, I enjoy the challenge of figuring it out with the use of my various resources. So, a couple of times I have found reasons to go talk to a professor...but usually I have to seek out something to ask. A lot of times I feel like if I were to walk into a professor's office I'd just be like, "Hey...just wanted to uhh...say hey." lol I know it's important to talk to the professors though. Is this just a matter of making myself do it? lol What kinds of things do you talk to your professors about? Is it always related to the material? Should I ask them what to focus on? I realize this is a silly question... but I don't want to just keep doing nothing about it. Any tips or suggestions?

Firstly, the disclaimer. I am not the most efficient student. I tend to have ADD (exhibit A: I have a pharmacology exam tomorrow at 9 am and I'm on SDN) and end up spending half my study time on facebook. I also have horrible memory and probably dementia (exhibit B: I forgot to study half a lecture for a therapeutics exam, super fail) and I also skip classes if I feel like they won't help me.

That being said, I do have a 4.0 (though we shall see if that remains after finals) so here are the things that have helped me immensely since my undergrad years. I basically went from a 3.7 before pharmacy school doing stuff like just reading the slides over and over to a 4.0 (pre-reqs and pharm) by using this method. Now I feel like I'm selling something.

1) memorize everything. like, literally everything on the slides, unless the professor tells you explicitly not to in class, or it's something pointless like epidemiology (stats that change constantly) or perhaps a regimen that you know is different from hospital to hospital. Don't pick and choose, or try to "guess" what the professor will test on (unless you are 100% sure because he re-uses exams or something-- even then I wouldn't risk it). The reason for this is two fold: one, you should really be responsible for all the information, not just what is on the learning objectives or what the professor tells you is on the exam. You won't have this luxury in practice. two, you really don't want to risk not memorizing something and having it be on the exam. those points could be the difference between an A and a B.

2) you can memorize by making flashcards. short repetitions seems to work better than reading an entire lecture over and over. online is the best way, since it's a lot easier to copy/pasta from slides than to write everything out.

2a) writing things down on a notebook while studying your flashcards can help to solidify the memorization.

3) record the lectures so you can play back anything you may have missed, or had trouble understanding. if you can't record it, make friends with someone who does and then buy them lunch after the semester is over. maybe five lunches.

4) sites like wikipedia and medscape are your friend. i do like to cross check if something doesn't make sense though. i don't care if some hoity toity student comes along and tells you that "wikipedia is inaccurate" or "you suck only losers search medscape." the fact of the matter is, a lot of professors use those sources as well. and med students. residents. etc. it's dumb not to use your resources. a wise attending once said thusly to his rounding group: "can somebody google what else to give this patient for myoclonic seizures this keppra is not working." true story.

ok that might be a bit much but my point is wikipedia, medscape, etc--not evil. you guys probably knew that already though.

5) make mnemonics for long lists. preferably ones that make sense.

6) understand everything. don't gloss over something just because it's confusing. use wikipedia. use your textbook. talk to people on the forums. whatever helps. if you understand all the pathways, the reasoning behind a dosage form, why a certain structure bestows certain properties...you actually can apply that knowledge later on to help you eliminate answers on a question you may have forgotten, or to choose the correct one, maybe in a totally different class (for example i use pharmacology a lot to help with therapeutics and med chem and vice versa).

7) last but not least: if you're tired but you aren't finished studying, don't sleep. just sacrifice a few hours of beauty rest and get 'er done. you can nap the next day. or just drink a lot of coffee and stay up for 36 hours. if it comes down to all nighters, all nighters it is. the worst thing I did in undergrad was go to sleep and tell myself "oh it'll be fine." it was not fine. it was never fine. i'm still working on this...in fact I usually end up passing out rather than staying up to study. also if you try this sleep deprivation and die please tell your family not to sue.

obv my way isn't perfect. if it was i'd be getting 100s on every exam. just keep working at it, and finding new ways to improve your efficiency or what works best for you. it is my firm belief that anyone can get straight As in pharmacy school if they try. unless your professors are sadists. you can do eet!

As far as what to talk to profs about...typically their research is a good subject. Or asking questions outside of but still related to the covered material (if you are actually interested).

edit: don't ask your professors what to focus on...most of my professors throughout college - current do not like it when a student comes up to them just to ask what they need to know for an exam, unless it is something specific that makes sense (e.g. do we need to memorize this extremely complex equation or will we get equation sheets). it kind of gives off the vibe that you are just looking for shortcuts and not actually interested in what they are teaching.
 
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7) last but not least: if you're tired but you aren't finished studying, don't sleep. just sacrifice a few hours of beauty rest and get 'er done. you can nap the next day. or just drink a lot of coffee and stay up for 36 hours. if it comes down to all nighters, all nighters it is.

I thought a lot your advice was very good, except for this part. I really, strongly disagree with this. I've been an A student from undergrad to present time, and I'm a firm believer that sleeping and being well-rested helps you learn. There's a lot of research that supports this as well.

For the OP, my study style involves always studying by myself (in my opinion, study groups are the worst waste of time ever) and planning out hour by hour what topics I'm going to cover. As I study, I write myself questions and at the end of the hour, I quiz myself on what I just went over (there's research that shows that people who are tested on what they learn remember it better http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/science/21memory.html?pagewanted=all ). Then I take a 15-30 minute break, and study for another hour. Rinse, repeat for however long I think I need to do so. On an average day, I'll do this for about 2-3 hours to review what we covered in class that day. On a day before a test, I'll put in quite a few more hours if I feel like I'm not understanding something. But I never sleep for fewer than 7-8 hours the night before a test.

Obviously different things will work for different people, but it's an idea for you to consider if you feel like you're not being efficient. Personally, I find this very efficient, and I feel like I have a lot of free time, while still making As.

As for talking to professors, I try talking to professors immediately before or after class because I find it less awkward than going to their office and bothering them. I don't really find that I need to talk to them that often, and I think that's fine. I don't think it's necessary to have a close relationship with all your professors. If someone lectures on something that really sparks your interest, then maybe ask them about their research and if there are any opportunities to get involved with it, but I don't think you should try to force a relationship just for the sake of a relationship. Just my opinion though.
 
I thought a lot your advice was very good, except for this part. I really, strongly disagree with this. I've been an A student from undergrad to present time, and I'm a firm believer that sleeping and being well-rested helps you learn. There's a lot of research that supports this as well.

For the OP, my study style involves always studying by myself (in my opinion, study groups are the worst waste of time ever) and planning out hour by hour what topics I'm going to cover. As I study, I write myself questions and at the end of the hour, I quiz myself on what I just went over (there's research that shows that people who are tested on what they learn remember it better http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/science/21memory.html?pagewanted=all ). Then I take a 15-30 minute break, and study for another hour. Rinse, repeat for however long I think I need to do so. On an average day, I'll do this for about 2-3 hours to review what we covered in class that day. On a day before a test, I'll put in quite a few more hours if I feel like I'm not understanding something. But I never sleep for fewer than 7-8 hours the night before a test.

Obviously different things will work for different people, but it's an idea for you to consider if you feel like you're not being efficient. Personally, I find this very efficient, and I feel like I have a lot of free time, while still making As.

As for talking to professors, I try talking to professors immediately before or after class because I find it less awkward than going to their office and bothering them. I don't really find that I need to talk to them that often, and I think that's fine. I don't think it's necessary to have a close relationship with all your professors. If someone lectures on something that really sparks your interest, then maybe ask them about their research and if there are any opportunities to get involved with it, but I don't think you should try to force a relationship just for the sake of a relationship. Just my opinion though.

I am somewhat skeptical of the study itself, but I 😍 every word of this post. I think it is a huge misconception that you should deprive yourself of sleep in order to study more. Everytime I have tried it, the results were disasterous. I cannot focus, I am distracted, I cannot recall stuff, in general my mental "prowess" is reduced, etc. Taking breaks, getting enough sleep, studying every day, etc are all great tips.

I would say study in a group if you are confident in your knowledge base going in. Your classmates can ask questions, point stuff out you missed, make funny/memorable mnemonics, ect. Do NOT use it as your main study tactic, IMO.
 
I thought a lot your advice was very good, except for this part. I really, strongly disagree with this. I've been an A student from undergrad to present time, and I'm a firm believer that sleeping and being well-rested helps you learn. There's a lot of research that supports this as well.

For the OP, my study style involves always studying by myself (in my opinion, study groups are the worst waste of time ever) and planning out hour by hour what topics I'm going to cover. As I study, I write myself questions and at the end of the hour, I quiz myself on what I just went over (there's research that shows that people who are tested on what they learn remember it better http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/science/21memory.html?pagewanted=all ). Then I take a 15-30 minute break, and study for another hour. Rinse, repeat for however long I think I need to do so. On an average day, I'll do this for about 2-3 hours to review what we covered in class that day. On a day before a test, I'll put in quite a few more hours if I feel like I'm not understanding something. But I never sleep for fewer than 7-8 hours the night before a test.

Obviously different things will work for different people, but it's an idea for you to consider if you feel like you're not being efficient. Personally, I find this very efficient, and I feel like I have a lot of free time, while still making As.

As for talking to professors, I try talking to professors immediately before or after class because I find it less awkward than going to their office and bothering them. I don't really find that I need to talk to them that often, and I think that's fine. I don't think it's necessary to have a close relationship with all your professors. If someone lectures on something that really sparks your interest, then maybe ask them about their research and if there are any opportunities to get involved with it, but I don't think you should try to force a relationship just for the sake of a relationship. Just my opinion though.

Yeah you are right. It is wayyyyyy better to prepare early and get a good night's rest. And I'm glad that someone else finds study groups to be outrageously distracting and ineffective as well, i thought i was just antisocial or something.

I should have specified that I was thinking more of the situation when maybe you overloaded yourself one week and found yourself lacking time (e.g. last night for me ~_~). In those cases it might be okay to make the exception and stay up late to ensure you go over everything in time for the exam. Of course try your hardest not to put yourself in that situation (to the OP).

But yes! Sleep is good 🙂
 
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But yes! Sleep is good 🙂

Speaking of sleep, how much do you try to get before a test (if it's in the morning)?

I've gone to a test with anywhere between 3 and 8 hours of sleep.
 
And I'm glad that someone else finds study groups to be outrageously distracting and ineffective as well, i thought i was just antisocial or something.

Me too! As a pre-pharm, I'm relieved to hear that group study isn't magically "where it's at" for everyone when they start pharmacy school. I like to go to group study if I've already studied at home (it almost always seems more like a social hour to me), but have never found it useful study-wise. It's probably the group - it seems like I'm the one who is invited because I "get it" and everyone else doesn't. I have high hopes for my pharma school peers. 👍
 
Me too! As a pre-pharm, I'm relieved to hear that group study isn't magically "where it's at" for everyone when they start pharmacy school. I like to go to group study if I've already studied at home (it almost always seems more like a social hour to me), but have never found it useful study-wise. It's probably the group - it seems like I'm the one who is invited because I "get it" and everyone else doesn't. I have high hopes for my pharma school peers. 👍


I weep for you.

















OK, just kidding! The trick is to find the "right" study group. For example, the study group from Glendale would be bad. :laugh:

And to use them sparingly, only to reinforce concepts. As a rule, group experiences in pharmacy will be better than those in undergrad, just because everyone will be at a high educational level, more motivated, etc. So for study groups it is just a matter of finding the right people. 👍
 
Speaking of sleep, how much do you try to get before a test (if it's in the morning)?

I've gone to a test with anywhere between 3 and 8 hours of sleep.

Ideally 7-8 🙁 but...usually end up aiming for 6 hours. on the bad weeks i get 3-4 and then on one week when we had 3 exams i got no sleep lol. that was seriously the pits, since I had to go to the hospital for research after classes were done and just ended up being awake for all 36 hours. kept thinking really random, weird thoughts like "i feel like i am a balloon" (due to the light headedness..and delirium) and looked like I was on speed on account of all the coffee I had to put into my system to function. just awful.
 
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