A "caribbean" DO

[wannabeaDO]

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Some people who can't get into MD school in US go to Caribbean. What if you can't get into DO school? Could you go to the British School of Osteopathy? Would they accept student from US? Then, could you just do manipulation when you come back to US?

 

[BioENG 215]

Some people who can't get into MD school in US go to Caribbean. What if you can't get into DO school? Could you go to the British School of Osteopathy? Would they accept student from US? Then, could you just do manipulation when you come back to US?

LOL. Osteopathy as a career outside the U.S. is a career which is totally different from the D.O. D.O.'s are clinically trained as a physicians. Osteopaths outside the U.S. are sort of like chiropractors.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Some people who can't get into MD school in US go to Caribbean. What if you can't get into DO school? Could you go to the British School of Osteopathy? Would they accept student from US? Then, could you just do manipulation when you come back to US?

This is a hot topic where people are not impressed that COCA is looking at accrediting offshore DO schools.
Currently if you want to be a DO and you can't get in, you make your app better. You can attend an SMP, or retake bad grades, or retake an MCAT.

By the way what is up with engineers and Chuck Norris Avatars?

 

[wannabeaDO]

LOL. Osteopathy as a career outside the U.S. is a career which is totally different from the D.O. D.O.'s are clinically trained as a physicians. Osteopaths outside the U.S. are sort of like chiropractors.

I know but would the US government let a British osteopath practice just manipulation.

 

[Bacchus]

No, probably not. You would get a DO degree and upon trying to get licensed it would be realized its not equivalent. To protect the public you wouldn't be able to.

^My guess.

 

[JaggerPlate]

If you can't get in US MD/DO you can either give up (what I would do) or risk the Caribbean. If you do ... go to one of the 'big 3.'

 

[JaggerPlate]

I know but would the US government let a British osteopath practice just manipulation.

Ehh ... I mean, they probably 'could,' until they were caught or tried to actually get a license and then it would fall apart.

 

[Styria]

Because OMM/NMM is a board-certified specialty, I would have to say no.

But there are some foreign DOs who teach OMT at DO schools here.

 

[Laryngophed]

Interesting. I wonder how they went about doing that, if they needed to get certified/licensed at all.

It's pretty simple, they don't need to have a license to teach. If they aren't treating patients and are just instructing students, there is no problem. My home institution has a pretty important instructor in the medical school that hasn't taken USMLE but she still teaches.

 

[Siggy]

But there are some foreign DOs who teach OMT at DO schools here.

They might have learned pure osteopathy in another country.
They might have been granted a "diploma of osteopathy."
However, they are not a "DO" in the US since our definition of "DO" is drastically different from theirs.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

It's pretty simple, they don't need to have a license to teach. If they aren't treating patients and are just instructing students, there is no problem. My home institution has a pretty important instructor in the medical school that hasn't taken USMLE but she still teaches.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that most PhDs that teach in med school have never taken the USMLE but are still integral to teaching.

 

[Dissected]

I know but would the US government let a British osteopath practice just manipulation.

Since there is no such thing as a true licensed 'osteopath' (pure manipulation) in the US, they would be required to obtain full physician practicing rights. They would have to pass the ECFMG Steps 1/2 and Step 3 just like any other physician coming from outside the country trying to practice. That is only if their degree is credentialed by ECFMG, which is doubtful. So to answer your question, probably not.

ECFMG

 

[Dissected]

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that most PhDs that teach in med school have never taken the USMLE but are still integral to teaching.

Only if they are physicians. And in that case it was the COMLEX or USMLE. Tons of PhD's write questions for these exams too.

 

[Coastie]

This is a hot topic where people are not impressed that COCA is looking at accrediting offshore DO schools.
Currently if you want to be a DO and you can't get in, you make your app better. You can attend an SMP, or retake bad grades, or retake an MCAT.

By the way what is up with engineers and Chuck Norris Avatars?

Whoa, wait a sec. COCA is looking at carib DO schools?



Link please!

 

[azskeptic]

http://www.ndcourts.com/court/opinions/970264.htm

 

[engineeredout]

By the way what is up with engineers and Chuck Norris Avatars?

Que?

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Que?

tu y BioENG

 

[Bones DO]

http://www.ndcourts.com/court/opinions/970264.htm

Wow that stinks for that guy, to be allowed to go through residency and then they figure out he shouldn't have been able to make it that far in the first place....

 

[engineeredout]

tu y BioENG

If that was asking me if I did biomed eng then no. Chemical engineering.

 

[JaggerPlate]

MLT2MT2DO was referring to BioENG 215. You both have engineering in your names and Chuck Norris avatars.

BioENG 215 isn't a lightning ballseeker though.

 

[Laryngophed]

BioENG 215 isn't a lightning ballseeker though.

We don't speak of he who will not be named in public.

 

[Dissected]

http://www.ndcourts.com/court/opinions/970264.htm

That sucks soooo bad. I blame UND for giving him false hope. Yikes 😱

 

[TANSTAAFL]

If you ask me, this Singha character is exactly the sort who shows up on 48 hours or Dateline. WTF? He's got a diploma of osteopathy from a British trade school and he's referring to himself as Doctor and seeing patients for three years?? Can you imagine if he'd ever been a defendant in a malpractice suit? UND would have lost their shirts.

This is the best bit:

Mr. Singha was admitted to the meeting room and was questioned by each of the Board members. This questioning was focused essentially on Mr. Singha's education at the British School of Osteopathy. Dr. Kempf asked Mr. Singha if he had advised the appropriate people at UND that his training had not been approved. Mr. Singha said that he had not. Dr. Morris asked Mr. Singha whether he held a degree which entitled him to be addressed as "doctor". Mr. Singha said that he does not. Dr. Rinn asked Mr. Singha if he was eligible for an osteopathic residency in the U.S. Mr. Singha said that he is not. Dr. Rinn asked Mr. Singha if the British School of Osteopathy teaches courses in patient care, surgery, pharmacology, and biochemistry. Mr. Singha said that it does not. Dr. Wolff asked Mr. Singha if he knows of any other graduate of the British School of Osteopathy who is practicing medicine in the United States. Mr. Singha said that he does not.

I bet he's practicing somewhere though. He wanted this bad. Scary.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Did it not say the guy ended up in a residency somehow though??? Totally the kind of guy that kills a patient and ends up on 60 minutes. Scary.

 

[Styria]

They might have learned pure osteopathy in another country.
They might have been granted a "diploma of osteopathy."
However, they are not a "DO" in the US since our definition of "DO" is drastically different from theirs.

Per Leon Chaitow, a European "pure" osteopath and also a naturopath, it's the US-trained DOs who are willing to use manipulation in their practices who are the true best osteopaths.

 

[Ilovewater]

My friend, who couldn't get into Do schools, chose to go to an international medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico where they have partnerships with US teaching hospitals and do the training here.