A+P for mcats?

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Hey guys I have a question about the MCATS. My school's pre med program doesn't require students to take Anatomy and physiology 1 and 2 but is it needed for the MCATS? I'm sure there will be some anatomy on there but is it stuff I am able to teach myself quickly or is the course recommended?

Thanks
 
In my experience, you can teach yourself everything, except maybe genetics because the textbooks I've read so far sucks big time (but only if you want to understand every little detail and actually read the everything before coming to class).
 
Thank you, any other opinions?

No problem! If I could go back in time, I would take as many upper level science courses as I can. The exam will just get easier and easier once you go deeper into the sciences. Just make sure to not sacrifice your gpa while doing this.
 
No problem! If I could go back in time, I would take as many upper level science courses as I can. The exam will just get easier and easier once you go deeper into the sciences. Just make sure to not sacrifice your gpa while doing this.
Yeah i agree only problem is that I am already loaded lol so wondering if A and P Is really helpful for the MCAT because if not I would try to teach/learn it myself through studying
 
I think this is a better plan than taking A&P, as the Physiology exposure will be less rigorous when diluted by the attention given to (far less useful) Anatomy topics.
Not sure if my college offers just a physiology class? Worth it to take over the summer?
 
Not sure if my college offers just a physiology class? Worth it to take over the summer?

Here's the type of questions I am routinely seeing on practice passages & questions:

A patient with hypotensive induced diabetes is actively taking glucagon but has a mutation in the D45 and E61 site on their 19, q. Patient regularly complains of having muscle spasms in the feet on early morning exercise routines but is taking propranolol and prednisone for pain and inflammation. The albumin in the serum is ranging from 2.0 - 13.0 on a normal day whereas a person in a normal population has an albumin range of 500 - 1000.0 on a normal day. The patient is induced to stress levels and the myestynia gravis engages a painful, but short, stimulus during which the patient is chased by a poisonous snake in Orlando, FL where the temperature is 37 degree Celsius.

A student wanted to perform an experiment to see if the Na+ channels engaged when the patient was actively experiencing symptoms of myasthenia graves and therefore, performed the following.

**insert a crap ton of graphs here**

Figure 1: *insert a bunch of explanations for Figure 1**

blahblahblahblahb

**insert a table here **

Table 1: *insert a minimal explanation of the table*

Insert more experimental blahbalhblabhlabhlabhlabhldkalfkhbalblalblahb for another 4 paragraphs.

Question 1:

If the blood pressure of the patient were to increase due to the snake, which of the following would occur?

a) aldosterone would be excreted by the kidneys so that the K+ was reabsorbed by the glomerulus and therefore the water would follow
b) ADH would be excreted by the anterior pituitary so that the water would be reabsorbed by the kidney so that the blood pressure would decrease immediately
c) the parathyroid gland would secrete osteocytes so the Na+ channels could open the ligand gated voltage channel
d) the right answer (all the above are blatantly wrong for one reason or another)

Question 2:

Which of the following statements, if false, would be least likely to assist the patient in rendering a healthy solution to the snake chase?

If you don't know parasympathetic and sympathetic along with all ion channels impacting them, and how ions affect nerve synapses and myelin sheaths along with myosin/actin, Na+, K+, Ca2+, etc... and hormones and which ones are activated by which glands along which pathways and which organs will be impacted by the same....

It's hell to take without physiology 🙂

Also, if you don't realize that what I wrote in any of this is patently WRONG, take physiology or take a very, very good MCAT course either live on-line or in class.

I did not have a formal physio class but learned everything I know by taking and paying for a $3000 Kaplan class. If I did not, I'd be screwed. Capital S.
 
general biology will be more than enough
Untrue for many schools unless part of that year long curriculum includes physiology. Most courses are high level basics not including systems and the second semester of clades.
 
Untrue for many schools unless part of that year long curriculum includes physiology. Most courses are high level basics not including systems and the second semester of clades.
oh, I apologize, I wasn't aware. Actually, now that you mention it my year long curriculum doesn't include genetics (there is a third semester for it)

but anyhow, you could always teach yourself with kaplan or princeton books


or pirate Campbell's Biology off the internet and read that 🙂
 
oh, I apologize, I wasn't aware. Actually, now that you mention it my year long curriculum doesn't include genetics (there is a third semester for it) but anyhow, you could always teach yourself with kaplan or princeton books or pirate Campbell's Biology off the internet and read that 🙂

Campbell's biology is not enough.

Genetics in basic biology is probably not enough.

Biochem in orgo and gen chem is not enough (meaning the limited carboxy reactions and structures you get in those classes is not enough).

What is enough?

Physics from both semesters as long as you get magnetics and electric fields and optics and all. that. jazz.
Orgo - at least one semester
Gen chem from both semesters

What no one should do is think one source or another is the end all be all. Kaplan is not it. TPR is not it. EK is not it. Khan is not it. Even the AAMC is not it.

So even if one takes a physiology course, you will still need materials to practice HOW to take the test. It is not like SAT, GRE, GMAT, LSAT (though CARS could easily be mistaken for the LSAT verbal reasoning part).
 
Here's the type of questions I am routinely seeing on practice passages & questions:

A patient with hypotensive induced diabetes is actively taking glucagon but has a mutation in the D45 and E61 site on their 19, q. Patient regularly complains of having muscle spasms in the feet on early morning exercise routines but is taking propranolol and prednisone for pain and inflammation. The albumin in the serum is ranging from 2.0 - 13.0 on a normal day whereas a person in a normal population has an albumin range of 500 - 1000.0 on a normal day. The patient is induced to stress levels and the myestynia gravis engages a painful, but short, stimulus during which the patient is chased by a poisonous snake in Orlando, FL where the temperature is 37 degree Celsius.

A student wanted to perform an experiment to see if the Na+ channels engaged when the patient was actively experiencing symptoms of myasthenia graves and therefore, performed the following.

**insert a crap ton of graphs here**

Figure 1: *insert a bunch of explanations for Figure 1**

blahblahblahblahb

**insert a table here **

Table 1: *insert a minimal explanation of the table*

Insert more experimental blahbalhblabhlabhlabhlabhldkalfkhbalblalblahb for another 4 paragraphs.

Question 1:

If the blood pressure of the patient were to increase due to the snake, which of the following would occur?

a) aldosterone would be excreted by the kidneys so that the K+ was reabsorbed by the glomerulus and therefore the water would follow
b) ADH would be excreted by the anterior pituitary so that the water would be reabsorbed by the kidney so that the blood pressure would decrease immediately
c) the parathyroid gland would secrete osteocytes so the Na+ channels could open the ligand gated voltage channel
d) the right answer (all the above are blatantly wrong for one reason or another)

Question 2:

Which of the following statements, if false, would be least likely to assist the patient in rendering a healthy solution to the snake chase?

If you don't know parasympathetic and sympathetic along with all ion channels impacting them, and how ions affect nerve synapses and myelin sheaths along with myosin/actin, Na+, K+, Ca2+, etc... and hormones and which ones are activated by which glands along which pathways and which organs will be impacted by the same....

It's hell to take without physiology 🙂

Also, if you don't realize that what I wrote in any of this is patently WRONG, take physiology or take a very, very good MCAT course either live on-line or in class.

I did not have a formal physio class but learned everything I know by taking and paying for a $3000 Kaplan class. If I did not, I'd be screwed. Capital S.
Kudos to you for creatively inspiring SDN premeds to take Physiology. Great question, which clearly was not taken from copywritten materials.

( Yeah, I hate it when the parathyroid excretes osteocytes.)
 
Here's the type of questions I am routinely seeing on practice passages & questions:

A patient with hypotensive induced diabetes is actively taking glucagon but has a mutation in the D45 and E61 site on their 19, q. Patient regularly complains of having muscle spasms in the feet on early morning exercise routines but is taking propranolol and prednisone for pain and inflammation. The albumin in the serum is ranging from 2.0 - 13.0 on a normal day whereas a person in a normal population has an albumin range of 500 - 1000.0 on a normal day. The patient is induced to stress levels and the myestynia gravis engages a painful, but short, stimulus during which the patient is chased by a poisonous snake in Orlando, FL where the temperature is 37 degree Celsius.

A student wanted to perform an experiment to see if the Na+ channels engaged when the patient was actively experiencing symptoms of myasthenia graves and therefore, performed the following.

**insert a crap ton of graphs here**

Figure 1: *insert a bunch of explanations for Figure 1**

blahblahblahblahb

**insert a table here **

Table 1: *insert a minimal explanation of the table*

Insert more experimental blahbalhblabhlabhlabhlabhldkalfkhbalblalblahb for another 4 paragraphs.

Question 1:

If the blood pressure of the patient were to increase due to the snake, which of the following would occur?

a) aldosterone would be excreted by the kidneys so that the K+ was reabsorbed by the glomerulus and therefore the water would follow
b) ADH would be excreted by the anterior pituitary so that the water would be reabsorbed by the kidney so that the blood pressure would decrease immediately
c) the parathyroid gland would secrete osteocytes so the Na+ channels could open the ligand gated voltage channel
d) the right answer (all the above are blatantly wrong for one reason or another)

Question 2:

Which of the following statements, if false, would be least likely to assist the patient in rendering a healthy solution to the snake chase?

If you don't know parasympathetic and sympathetic along with all ion channels impacting them, and how ions affect nerve synapses and myelin sheaths along with myosin/actin, Na+, K+, Ca2+, etc... and hormones and which ones are activated by which glands along which pathways and which organs will be impacted by the same....

It's hell to take without physiology 🙂

Also, if you don't realize that what I wrote in any of this is patently WRONG, take physiology or take a very, very good MCAT course either live on-line or in class.

I did not have a formal physio class but learned everything I know by taking and paying for a $3000 Kaplan class. If I did not, I'd be screwed. Capital S.

I agree. OP should take the A&P class. General biology just doesn't give you the background you will need to be successful. You want to be relearning/reviewing information when you sit for your MCAT. It will make it way easier. I was a Physiology major at my UG and after 3yrs where I took the normal basics plus a year of General A&P plus 2 years of advanced cellular Physiology classes(which include tons of BIOCHEM principles) my MCAT was cake.

You will be asked things that will be much easier with this knowledge base. Do yourself a favour.


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Kudos to you for creatively inspiring SDN premeds to take Physiology. Great question, which clearly was not taken from copywritten materials.

😆 clearly 😉 AAMC is not blowing up my cell phone either for the next version... :thinking:

(Yeah, I hate it when the parathyroid excretes osteocytes.)

I was giggling at the K+ w/ H2O following...
 
😆 clearly 😉 AAMC is not blowing up my cell phone either for the next version... :thinking:
I was giggling at the K+ w/ H2O following...
I've read it several times now and keep enjoying the hidden depths. I think you should clean it up a bit and submit it to AAMC for consideration. 😀 'Cause you never know.
 
There was not much A+P content on the MCAT I took. On the other hand I really enjoyed the class in general and do recommend it. It is super interesting and gives you a decent amount of knowledge. I was a scribe for about 1.5 years before I took the class and the class made work much easier to comprehend. I had always heard certain terms being used but after the class I had a much better idea of what the hell they were talking about. So as far as interesting topics go I recommend it. As for the MCAT, if that was the only reason I was looking to take a class, it wouldn't be worth the time imo from the MCAT I was given. But others have different opinions. Either way I think you should take it. If you are looking into medicine I believe you will enjoy the class. Good luck.
 
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