About Detroit

[burgler09]

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Hey to everyone attending or thinking about attending Detroit Mercy I thought i would give you all a heads up. I am not too sure where DM is located but I do know detroit is a true dump. All I can say is be careful, you cannot leave your car unattended after dark, do not walk the streets at night. I just got back from detroit (5 minute walk from comerica park) and my car was broken into along with the 4 other cars parked next to mine. I was talking to a gas station owner who told me that he has another one in detroit and said it is basicly a warzone there. The people will walk in and take what they want and he can do nothing about it but say "have a nice day" or they will kill him. Just a heads up, if you have any more questions feel free to ask. I am someone who is not afraid to walk through the city, I am not afraid of other people but it is safe to say I was nervous walking in complete daylight. I felt completely safe walking through chicago and san diego along with other cities but I will NEVER go back to detroit.

Just to make it clear I am in no way bashing detroit mercy or anything about it. Congrats to anyone who made it in just be careful because it can be a very dangerous city.

 

[Veneto]

Second that motion. I have never felt nervous in any city other than Detroit. The place is truly a dying city, there is little to no ecomic growth, and people are desparate there. I have a friend who is at Detroit Mercy and he said that they close the library and the school at 5:00pm so that everyone can leave and get to safer parts of the city.

 

[thefifthbeatle]

How much worse is it than cleveland, i mean, ive been pretty afraid.....is it equal or worse?

 

[LNinlove]

So you wouldn't recommend it for my wife and I?

 

[ChitownDDS]

i grew up in the suburbs of detroit, yes detroit is garbage. However the city should not stop you from attending the school based on safety alone. There are many areas within reasonable driving distance to live (royal oak, ferndale) that have many young professionals living there. The school is great, it just wasnt for me. Go for a visit, and make your own decision.

 

[DMDreaming]

i grew up in the suburbs of detroit, yes detroit is garbage. However the city should not stop you from attending the school based on safety alone. There are many areas within reasonable driving distance to live (royal oak, ferndale) that have many young professionals living there. The school is great, it just wasnt for me. Go for a visit, and make your own decision.

Thanks for including some info on neighborhoods to check out.

 

[burgler09]

Yes there are areas outside of detroit that are safe. I would never in a million years reccomend someone to live in detroit with their wife. Places like dearborne are nice.

Its amazing how a city can get like that.. can something like that ever be fixed?

ChitownDDS how does detroit compare to Los Angeles? Ive always wanted to go to LA but not if its going to be like detroit..

 

[LNinlove]

How long of a commute is from those neighborhoods to the school?

 

[LNinlove]

Its amazing how a city can get like that.. can something like that ever be fixed?

Have Rudy Giuliani as your Mayor....other than that...good luck!

 

[EngDentist]

How long of a commute is from those neighborhoods to the school?

Around 30-45 mins. Even after UDM moves to its new location the travel time would be around that unless you are living in suburbs far north or south of the city.

 

[ChitownDDS]

Detroit is like LA in one aspect......they are both near water.....other than that....Detroit doesnt compare to LA. As for traveling from Royal Oak, Ferndale area.....no longer than 30 min or so. There are some very nice areas in the north and surrounding suburbs that are good to raise a family in such as Grosse Pointe, West Bloomfield and Northville, but you will probably need to be collecting that dental pay check before you can afford to live there. I recommend royal oak, i have many friends that have moved there after college.

 

[Nefarious14]

I'm going there this fall, and I'm from a suburb around chicago....and the reaction i get when I say I'm going to detroit is, "carry mase around" or the ever popular, "don't get shot"
but the fact of the matter is no matter what city you are in, you have to be smart and use common sense...don't put yourself in somewhat dangerous situations...and realize the buddy system isn't overrated 😉

 

[xshooshix]

I live borderline Los Angeles County/Orange County, but I go to school at Wayne State. I've only been at Wayne for a year, and my father (who did his residency for med school) tried to talk me out of attending school there because of all the crackhouses and homeless people that surround some parts of the city. Honestly, I didn't think it would be that bad, but after a year, I can tell you that LA is nowhere near as bad as downtown Detroit. If you are talking about the inner city areas of LA, it's really not as bad as you would think (in comparision to Detroit). I lived on campus this past year and you would even have the cops pull over in the front of the housing building every other night. I had a friend whose sister lived in the apartments farther from campus, and she would tell her that sometimes she would get followed after her night classes. It's definitely worrisome. As far as LA is concerned, the only campus that seems questionable is USC. I heard it's lovely there, but once you get outside, it's a dump. It can't be as bad as Detroit... don't get me wrong, I think the city is SLOWLY trying to fix itself by building lofts, boutiques, and resturaunts, but I don't think it's panning out well since you still have homeless people walking around the area. I wouldn't say they aren't exactly thriving, but it could still use a little work. I wish the city had some incentive to fix the place, it definitely has some potential.

Anyway, LA is NOTHING like Detroit. It's more expensive, safer, you have a real beach nearby, plus you have neighboring citys like Santa Monica, Pasadena, and so forth to look forward to. Oh, once and while you'll see chase scenes on the news a la OJ. 😉

 

[LNinlove]

So...I gotta ask...what's the law on carrying a firearm in Detroit. Does one need a CWP or is that even available? That's all for now...

 

[Superhuntress]

I am in UDMs Class of 2011. I am very scared to live in Detrot! Safety is why I got my concealed carry permit, and why I will be carrying my S & W .357 Magnum in my waistband (except of course not on campus because you can't have a firearm on school property). Something to keep in mind if you are one of the country's millions of NRA members; EVERY state except Illinois and Wisconsin allow concealed firearms to be carried! (Sorry to UIC, SIU, and Marquette kids).

 

[G.A.'s Finest]

A little off topic, but are there any Canadians heading down to UDM this August?

 

[FaithinFastCars]

Okay, i attend wayne state university, which is RIGHT in detroit, also i lived down there for my first three years and am heading back this year for my fifth. not only thatttt, but i ran cross country there, so that means that yes, i ran through the city (downtown) nearly every day for about three years. SO the fact of the matter is, i've ran alone plenty of times. it is not nearly as bad as you guys are saying. i never felt afraid in the city or on campus. also, u of d's old location wasnt even near the city, but i guess the new place is near old tiger stadium. let me repeat, IT'S FINE. in fact, the downtown area is pretty cool to do a lot of things in, there are a lot of concert halls, bars, and of course there's cobo, ford field, joe louis, and the new comerica park, alll really nice. also if you live there, the suburbs have nice places to go to.

so let me repeat. it's safe. dont let it be a factor. and i never once carried mase or a gun, those are going a little overboard.

 

[SMCohen]

I will be carrying my S & W .357 Magnum in my waistband

Jesus... please let me know where you are at all times and I'll be sure to avoid that area!

 

[Superhuntress]

Jesus... please let me know where you are at all times and I'll be sure to avoid that area!

If you aren't trying to hurt me, then you have nothing to worry about by being around me. In fact, by being around me you will be a lot safer because I can and will protect my family and friends against the bad guys.

Guns are a safety measure to protect against bad guys, they are not to hurt the good guys! If more of the right, good people carried concealed, then there would be far less bad guys getting away with hurting the innocent. I will not be a victim in case there are bad guys that try to mess with me in Detroit! I am going to take the proactive approach and protect myself! That is one of the best parts of being an American, we have the right to protect ourselves from the criminals.

 

[SMCohen]

I can and will protect my family and friends against the bad guys.

Unfortunately, who the "bad guys" are is not always black and white.

Guns are a safety measure to protect against bad guys.

Actually, guns were designed to hurt, maim, and kill people (I am not talking about hunting rifles). And at what point do you shoot? At what point can you justify pulling the trigger and hitting someone? If you're scared and nervous, and you do shoot, do you trust yourself that you can aim for only the leg, or arm to deter the 'bad guy' without killing the person?

I am going to take the proactive approach and protect myself! That is one of the best parts of being an American, we have the right to protect ourselves from the criminals.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be proactive or have the right to protect yourself - in fact, I 100% agree that you should be proactive about your own safety; however, wouldn't learning martial arts suffice?

I'm not trying to pick on you, I know a lot of people in the US feel the need to 'protect' themselves from the 'bad guys' by carrying a gun, and I am trying to understand why it needs to be taken to such extreme measures. Granted, I don't live in the US, and never have, so I cannot know the severity of the crime in your cities; however, I do live in a city of 2.5 million people and never have I felt the need to carry any sort of weapon with me. I do avoid certain areas of the city known to be problematic, but there aren't that many and avoiding those areas doesn't cause me any inconvenience.

 

[littlemissy]

Unfortunately, who the "bad guys" are is not always black and white.



Actually, guns were designed to hurt, maim, and kill people (I am not talking about hunting rifles). And at what point do you shoot? At what point can you justify pulling the trigger and hitting someone? If you're scared and nervous, and you do shoot, do you trust yourself that you can aim for only the leg, or arm to deter the 'bad guy' without killing the person?



I'm not saying you shouldn't be proactive or have the right to protect yourself - in fact, I 100% agree that you should be proactive about your own safety; however, wouldn't learning martial arts suffice?

I'm not trying to pick on you, I know a lot of people in the US feel the need to 'protect' themselves from the 'bad guys' by carrying a gun, and I am trying to understand why it needs to be taken to such extreme measures. Granted, I don't live in the US, and never have, so I cannot know the severity of the crime in your cities; however, I do live in a city of 2.5 million people and never have I felt the need to carry any sort of weapon with me. I do avoid certain areas of the city known to be problematic, but there aren't that many and avoiding those areas doesn't cause me any inconvenience.

martial arts my ass. Go hug a tree SMCohen. I am sorry but really don't attack superhuntress because he/she packs. I pack as well. Also you don't live in the USA so I am sorry you don't enjoy some of the freedoms we have here.

By the way you shoot to kill in a self defense situation.

 

[SMCohen]

martial arts my ass. Go hug a tree SMCohen. I am sorry but really don't attack superhuntress because he/she packs. I pack as well. Also you don't live in the USA so I am sorry you don't enjoy some of the freedoms we have here.

LOL, so because I don't believe that guns make the world a safer place to live in then I am so left-winged in my thinking that I am grouped in with the tree huggers? And no, I don't live in the US, but Canadians are free to purchase guns if they choose, it's just that most people in the cities choose not to unless it's for hobby reasons. So, it's not about "enjoying a freedom", it's about not understanding the level of fear you have to be under to feel the need to "pack". That is what I don't understand. Personally, it would have to be a literal warzone in my city before I feel the need to purchase a handgun.

By the way you shoot to kill in a self defense situation.

This is what frightens me. I mean, you shoot to kill in every defense situation? There must be a way to gauge the "necessity" of killing. What if someone pushes me to the ground to steal my car? Do they deserved to be killed?

 

[prez_al]

This is what frightens me. I mean, you shoot to kill in every defense situation? There must be a way to gauge the "necessity" of killing. What if someone pushes me to the ground to steal my car? Do they deserved to be killed?

I'd be pretty ticked if someone stole my car 😡 At the end, what do you value more? Your life or the life of your attacker. I personally want to live and will defend myself like crazy (thats not to say I carry a gun, cause you can't really do that in Canada), but I would at least defend myself to the point where I'll feel a little safer so the next time that guy or girl won't try to steal someone else's car 😉

And by not killing, I meant maiming

 

[DPet]

I can understand where you are coming from, SMC. I'm from Windsor, ON, and have considered going to Detroit Mercy, but I'm hesitant to. Growing up in a culture where handguns are really non-existent, just the thought of being surrounded with people who pack heat sorta sends a shiver down my spine. But I guess it's just a result of being raised in a different lifestyle, and I'll get used to it if necessary. Though you won't see me packing a handgun anytime soon.

 

[Veneto]

I can understand where you are coming from, SMC. I'm from Windsor, ON, and have considered going to Detroit Mercy, but I'm hesitant to. Growing up in a culture where handguns are really non-existent, just the thought of being surrounded with people who pack heat sorta sends a shiver down my spine. But I guess it's just a result of being raised in a different lifestyle, and I'll get used to it if necessary. Though you won't see me packing a handgun anytime soon.

Think again. The responsible gun owners are a small percentage of the people in the US. An even smaller percentage are those that choose to go throught the liscenceing and training to recieve a concealed weapons permit. The majority of people that carry weapons are criminals, and they carry those weapons illegally. There are many restrictions as to whom may obtain these concealed weapons permits, and then there are many places that you are simply not allowed to carry any type of weapons. Like schools, and goverment agencies. Responsible ownership and or carry of weapons is a priveledge for law abiding citizens as a means of defense and protection for themselves and their families.

 

[DPet]

Think again. The responsible gun owners are a small percentage of the people in the US. An even smaller percentage are those that choose to go throught the liscenceing and training to recieve a concealed weapons permit. The majority of people that carry weapons are criminals, and they carry those weapons illegally. There are many restrictions as to whom may obtain these concealed weapons permits, and then there are many places that you are simply not allowed to carry any type of weapons. Like schools, and goverment agencies. Responsible ownership and or carry of weapons is a priveledge for law abiding citizens as a means of defense and protection for themselves and their families.

I don't know the laws and percentages that go along with gun ownership, but what I was trying to convey is that for some of us non-US residents, the idea of having to carry a gun around on-person to ensure self-protection is unsettling, and that there was no reason to rip into the other dude because he feels the same way.

 

[Nefarious14]

what I was trying to convey is that for some of us non-US residents, the idea of having to carry a gun around on-person to ensure self-protection is unsettling

Its unsettling to U.S. residents too...

 

[Superhuntress]

Since I have my handgun permit, here is a basic handgun rule since this seems to be so confusing to many of us:

If the bad guy is threatening your personal safety or the personal safety of your family and friends (meaning rape, abduction, murder, etc.), you shoot, and shoot to kill to protect your life.

If the bad guy is stealing your car, purse, wallet and your safety is not in jeopardy, then you thank God that you are safe and didn't need to pull out your heater to protect yourself.

The main reason for gun crime in the USA based on NRA board member Ted Nuggent's address at the Annual 2007 NRA Convention: THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS NO MATTER WHAT THE LAWS ARE!!!! Gun crime rates in the in areas such as DC (even Toronto for all of you Canada kids) are MUCH higher in areas where handgun laws are strictist! In Toronto, Canada gun crime is RAMPENT!!! The reason is because it is ILLEGAL to own a handgun in Canada, so EVERY person with a handgun in Canada is therefore a CRIMINAL. Who do we not want to have guns? Duh, the criminals. But since the criminals have guns in Toronto and they know nobody else does, they know they can commit lots of crime without the worry of one of their victims protecting themselves with fire power! The reason for this is that the criminals know that the citizens are not armed, and therefore the criminals can wreck havoic without worry of a law-abiding citizen stopping them. In places where people are allowed to protect themselves, the criminals know that they might meet resistance, gun crime is much lower. So obviously when the RIGHT people have guns, the world is a lot SAFER because the criminials know they can't get away with as much ****!

For example: If a student or professor at Virginia Tech had been carrying a legally concealed handgun, then that little Asian bastard could have been taken out before he killed all of those people. Imagine if someone in the dorms had had their handgun on their hip and could have taken him out: The criminal would have been dead and the 30+ students would be alive!!!

I realize it might be hard to understand the basic 2nd Ammendment Right if you are not familiar with American government or history, so if anyone has any questions, I will be happy to talk to you in a non-threatening way as long as you show me respect in return.

 

[littlemissy]

Since I have my handgun permit, here is a basic handgun rule since this seems to be so confusing to many of us:

If the bad guy is threatening your personal safety or the personal safety of your family and friends (meaning rape, abduction, murder, etc.), you shoot, and shoot to kill to protect your life.

If the bad guy is stealing your car, purse, wallet and your safety is not in jeopardy, then you thank God that you are safe and didn't need to pull out your heater to protect yourself.

The main reason for gun crime in the USA based on NRA board member Ted Nuggent's address at the Annual 2007 NRA Convention: THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS NO MATTER WHAT THE LAWS ARE!!!! Gun crime rates in the in areas such as DC (even Toronto for all of you Canada kids) are MUCH higher in areas where handgun laws are strictist! In Toronto, Canada gun crime is RAMPENT!!! The reason is because it is ILLEGAL to own a handgun in Canada, so EVERY person with a handgun in Canada is therefore a CRIMINAL. Who do we not want to have guns? Duh, the criminals. But since the criminals have guns in Toronto and they know nobody else does, they know they can commit lots of crime without the worry of one of their victims protecting themselves with fire power! The reason for this is that the criminals know that the citizens are not armed, and therefore the criminals can wreck havoic without worry of a law-abiding citizen stopping them. In places where people are allowed to protect themselves, the criminals know that they might meet resistance, gun crime is much lower. So obviously when the RIGHT people have guns, the world is a lot SAFER because the criminials know they can't get away with as much ****!

For example: If a student or professor at Virginia Tech had been carrying a legally concealed handgun, then that little Asian bastard could have been taken out before he killed all of those people. Imagine if someone in the dorms had had their handgun on their hip and could have taken him out: The criminal would have been dead and the 30+ students would be alive!!!

I realize it might be hard to understand the basic 2nd Ammendment Right if you are not familiar with American government or history, so if anyone has any questions, I will be happy to talk to you in a non-threatening way as long as you show me respect in return.

i agree. i believe one of the biggest problems is the desparity between those in US and abroad that don't know much about guns and are terrified by guns and those whom are trained to use guns. I don't believe someone should be threatened by the fact that someone is carrying a weapon for self defense.

Its a stretch to say all crime would stop if everyone carries gun but some things can be prevented. My uncle owns and operates many businesses in the roughest areas of DC. He has been shot once and survived. Prior to the shooting the government would not allow him to carry a firearm After the shooting they are now allowing him to carry a gun on a specified route to and from his stores. Some of these strict unconstitutional gun laws don't help people but they hinder some hard working americans.

 

[Veneto]

Since I have my handgun permit, here is a basic handgun rule since this seems to be so confusing to many of us:

If the bad guy is threatening your personal safety or the personal safety of your family and friends (meaning rape, abduction, murder, etc.), you shoot, and shoot to kill to protect your life.

If the bad guy is stealing your car, purse, wallet and your safety is not in jeopardy, then you thank God that you are safe and didn't need to pull out your heater to protect yourself.

The main reason for gun crime in the USA based on NRA board member Ted Nuggent's address at the Annual 2007 NRA Convention: THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS NO MATTER WHAT THE LAWS ARE!!!! Gun crime rates in the in areas such as DC (even Toronto for all of you Canada kids) are MUCH higher in areas where handgun laws are strictist! In Toronto, Canada gun crime is RAMPENT!!! The reason is because it is ILLEGAL to own a handgun in Canada, so EVERY person with a handgun in Canada is therefore a CRIMINAL. Who do we not want to have guns? Duh, the criminals. But since the criminals have guns in Toronto and they know nobody else does, they know they can commit lots of crime without the worry of one of their victims protecting themselves with fire power! The reason for this is that the criminals know that the citizens are not armed, and therefore the criminals can wreck havoic without worry of a law-abiding citizen stopping them. In places where people are allowed to protect themselves, the criminals know that they might meet resistance, gun crime is much lower. So obviously when the RIGHT people have guns, the world is a lot SAFER because the criminials know they can't get away with as much ****!

For example: If a student or professor at Virginia Tech had been carrying a legally concealed handgun, then that little Asian bastard could have been taken out before he killed all of those people. Imagine if someone in the dorms had had their handgun on their hip and could have taken him out: The criminal would have been dead and the 30+ students would be alive!!!

I realize it might be hard to understand the basic 2nd Ammendment Right if you are not familiar with American government or history, so if anyone has any questions, I will be happy to talk to you in a non-threatening way as long as you show me respect in return.

Excellent post. This should be read by all those who do not understand the right and need for responsible gun ownership and use. Bravo.

 

[LNinlove]

Good job SH, I will DEFINATELY have a handgun in my practice. I see my dentist making runs to the bank every once in a while, and I will have my gun with me then too.

Right now, I have a hand gun in my house for protection, thank God for the make my day law, because if anyone comes into my house with the intent to hurt my wife or I, it will be finished very quickly.

At this point, I don't feel the need to have a CWP. I don't venture into the "bad" parts of town and I live in a nice neighborhood.

We went and shot some targets last weekend...I love my gun! 😍