About to chuck FA out the window

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2nd day of studying for step 1,
ready to dispense with FA.
what the heck is up with the index in the 2005 edition on the front cover -- the page #s it gives for certain sections are really f****d up. for example, it has me reading cardio path for endocrinology, etc.

ok. i know it's a small thing. but it's irritating the hell out of me.

-pink.

:meanie:
 
I hear ya. I was pissed for two days when I found out I couldn't use that chart to study by system. It would be so much more organized to study it that way.
 
They admit that its wrong and from what I understand you can find a new correct chart from the McGraw hill website.
 
j802002 said:
They admit that its wrong and from what I understand you can find a new correct chart from the McGraw hill website.
I havent noticed that the chart is that off for the 2004 edition. is there a big diff in the 2005 edition. or am i just not that observant?
 
Just took Step 1 last week and 99% of my questions could be answered from FA. Beware however that you need to understand each section and that, if there are terms or concepts you recognize but can't definitively restate in your own words, you need to read more about them. I distinctly remember *ONE* question that contained references to things I had not seen mentioned in FA. This is a truly amazing book.

My approach was to first read through FA once, looking up important terms (eponyms) and concepts that I didn't remember or didn't remember well enough to say in my own words. Then I did a second pass in which I used a 3x5 card to cover up the content of the section and see if I could remember the important points it stated. For example, the first few pages in the anatomy section list the important cell types (RBC, neutrophils, etc.). I would cover up everything except the cell type name in bold and see if I remembered everything they said. I did this front to back for FA, going over the things I didn't retain several times and skipping over the things I had down cold. I used BRS Path/Physio as a backup.

People say that you can score a 240 if you just "memorize" FA which is probably true. But you can do even better if you memorized it and understand the implications and how to apply the facts in it.

I didn't believe in FA when I was using it to study because QBank was so detailed. The exact opposite is true on the real thing. USMLE will hound you on certain high yield topics from several different approaches to test your ability to use your knowledge to synthesize a solution that may not be immediately apparent. Depending on the type of student you are this may or may not be a good thing.
 
Nice!
Thanks.


It's day 4 of studying for me. All is going well but I'm having a helluva time with FA. I'm doing BRS path/physio/UCV for biochem/Robbins path questions/QBank for the most part. As it stands I've got 1 hour of FA each morning scheduled in. I read through the appropriate sections (which now will be a lot easier) and off I go. But I tend to not use it much for the rest of the day...and I'm getting the feeling that I should be using it more. 😕 Also -- I did read FA though once over the course of this past semester.
What do you guys think? How much FA time do you put in each day?
 
The more I read it the less I like FA. The pharm crash course made it worth it for me though, I needed something I can pick up and just memorize short pieces of info.
 
NIQ said:
The more I read it the less I like FA. The pharm crash course made it worth it for me though, I needed something I can pick up and just memorize short pieces of info.

Just curious, when are you guys taking the test? I'm going to start studying next thursday (when classes end) and I'm taking the test on June 25th. I feel like there's WAY too much to learn in 5 weeks.
 
Hey Sponch (and others) -

Regarding the need on Step 1 to be able to synthesize a solution that is not immediately apparent - did you feel that your memorization of FA facilitated your ability to answer the kinds of questions that required these synthetic steps? Or alternatively, was its benefit limited to perhaps the more straightforward questions where you could answer the question based on the little tidbit memorized from FA.

On a related note, I'm only going to have about 4 weeks of solid study time. You mentioned you used BRS path and physio too. I've used these books some along the way but not extensively. Would you recommend thoroughly memorizing FA before other ventures...even if it means perhaps very little time to be spent in other sources?

Thanks,
Krony
 
sponch said:
Just took Step 1 last week and 99% of my questions could be answered from FA. Beware however that you need to understand each section and that, if there are terms or concepts you recognize but can't definitively restate in your own words, you need to read more about them. I distinctly remember *ONE* question that contained references to things I had not seen mentioned in FA. This is a truly amazing book.

My approach was to first read through FA once, looking up important terms (eponyms) and concepts that I didn't remember or didn't remember well enough to say in my own words. Then I did a second pass in which I used a 3x5 card to cover up the content of the section and see if I could remember the important points it stated. For example, the first few pages in the anatomy section list the important cell types (RBC, neutrophils, etc.). I would cover up everything except the cell type name in bold and see if I remembered everything they said. I did this front to back for FA, going over the things I didn't retain several times and skipping over the things I had down cold. I used BRS Path/Physio as a backup.

People say that you can score a 240 if you just "memorize" FA which is probably true. But you can do even better if you memorized it and understand the implications and how to apply the facts in it.

I didn't believe in FA when I was using it to study because QBank was so detailed. The exact opposite is true on the real thing. USMLE will hound you on certain high yield topics from several different approaches to test your ability to use your knowledge to synthesize a solution that may not be immediately apparent. Depending on the type of student you are this may or may not be a good thing.

I will reiterate my belief that if you have an excellent working knowledge of the material, than FA is the perfect review book. I do not believe, however, that studying from it as a primary source is a very good idea.

I would wager that the poster had a fairly good grasp of many of the concepts detailed in order to believe that 99% of the exam could be answered from FA. I, for example, had at least 5 psych questions that were not anywhere near FA, as well as several pictures that were not covered.

Overall, I would say that FA could get you a passing score, as long as you attended medical school, studied a reasonable amount, and didnt freak out during the test.
 
fang said:
Just curious, when are you guys taking the test? I'm going to start studying next thursday (when classes end) and I'm taking the test on June 25th. I feel like there's WAY too much to learn in 5 weeks.

Yes. You should have spent the last two years 'learning' it. No offense.

BTW, the most over the top, ridiculously comprehensive, absurd overkill review plan I ever saw took 6 weeks. I think that 5 is just right.
 
Idiopathic said:
Yes. You should have spent the last two years 'learning' it. No offense.

BTW, the most over the top, ridiculously comprehensive, absurd overkill review plan I ever saw took 6 weeks. I think that 5 is just right.

Well yes, technically all of us have spent the last 2 years studying for USMLE. However, that's different than gaining a working memory of everything again; when I think of how much I've crammed into my brain since I started (and then subsequently forgotten 2 weeks later) the idea of re-hashing all of in a few weeks is daunting. I guess it's possible though, and it's good to hear 5 weeks is ok.
 
sponch said:
Just took Step 1 last week and 99% of my questions could be answered from FA. Beware however that you need to understand each section and that, if there are terms or concepts you recognize but can't definitively restate in your own words, you need to read more about them. I distinctly remember *ONE* question that contained references to things I had not seen mentioned in FA. This is a truly amazing book.

My approach was to first read through FA once, looking up important terms (eponyms) and concepts that I didn't remember or didn't remember well enough to say in my own words. Then I did a second pass in which I used a 3x5 card to cover up the content of the section and see if I could remember the important points it stated. For example, the first few pages in the anatomy section list the important cell types (RBC, neutrophils, etc.). I would cover up everything except the cell type name in bold and see if I remembered everything they said. I did this front to back for FA, going over the things I didn't retain several times and skipping over the things I had down cold. I used BRS Path/Physio as a backup.

People say that you can score a 240 if you just "memorize" FA which is probably true. But you can do even better if you memorized it and understand the implications and how to apply the facts in it.

I didn't believe in FA when I was using it to study because QBank was so detailed. The exact opposite is true on the real thing. USMLE will hound you on certain high yield topics from several different approaches to test your ability to use your knowledge to synthesize a solution that may not be immediately apparent. Depending on the type of student you are this may or may not be a good thing.

As far as FA is concerned, this is the best advice I've seen on these forums. The key isn't to just memorize the book, it's to understand all the concepts covered
 
I'm going to agree with everyone else that FA is only useful if you have a integrated knowledge of HOW everything works. But as a side note FA is still missing a lot of high yield material (this is from what I've seen in the 2005 edition).
 
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