Actual Experience Owning a Home in School?

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Hello,
There are a lot of useful discussions in this Forum about renting a home or selling one. But does anyone have any experience in actually going to medical school while still owning their home? I am fast approaching the time when 'tough choices' need to be made!
Thanks,
 
i don't think i have the "actual experience" info you're looking for, but my situation is getting there....

i put an offer on a place last week (a small condo, dang high cost of living in ann arbor) and it was accepted over the weekend. tonight i'm actually applying for the mortgage (i've been pre-approved; let's hope it goes well.) i did it based on my current salary (not too much) and a pretty paltry down payment, if i must say so. i have two potential plans:

1) get a roommate to cover some of the monthly costs, thus fitting my "rent" (i.e. payments) into the student budget allowed by my school and still just being a regular med student.

or

2) getting a part-time job to cover the extra $500 or so a month that will be required for me to make ends meet, beyond the financial aid package.

i really really want to live alone, so am leaning towards #2, but i don't know yet. i don't mind being poor (i've dealt with it for years) and i am a good time-manager, too. 🙂 but, like the OP, i would love perspective from someone who has been there. 🙂
 
I've owned my house for a couple of years, and will be starting med school in the fall. The school I'm going to is just out of commuteable range (1hr.+) so I will be renting my house out. The rents will cover the mortgage and expenses with a few extra bucks coming to me each month.

Everything looks ok on paper. Ask me again in a year. 🙂
 
Hello DrMom!
I have all kinds of questions! #1 would be how it is working out with the student loans. I blew all the savings getting to the starting gate this fall. #2 would be how did your taxes look after the first year? I am wondering if I could bank on the interest payments being tax deductible each each, meaning I would get most of the taxes back. (My state has enormous property taxes...almost 33% of my mortgage.) And #3 does it mean that you'll be coming out of med school at the upper end of the debt spectrum?
I only live 12 miles from campus and it doesn't make much sense to move.

Thanks for the input!
 
I'm also a homeowner and also a medical student so perhaps I can answer some of your questions.

Unfortunately, the tax advantages of owning a home during medical school are nil, since while in medical school you will probably have little to no income, therefore no income to deduct interest and taxes from. (This would not be the case if your spouse has an income of course). As far as the loans go, they should be about the same as others in my class. My mortgage+expenses are less than what the school budgets and therefore I am within reasonable expense limits as compared with the rest of the medical students at my school. For me, the key to everything working out was having a large down payment and a stellar credit history to which I qualified for a mortgage whilst having no income (a no-documentation loan).

I am forutnate to go to a inexpensive school in a city with a low cost of living. I will be coming out of medical school at the lower end of the debt spectrum (I'm guessing around 50-60K of which ~25K will be equity in my home...if the real estate market doesn't crash...hoping for 30-40K if property values increase. One advantage to taking any savings you have now and sinking it into your home is that equity in your home is not considered in determining your EFC and hence you may qualify for the $8,500 in subsidized Stafford loans.
 
First of all, I have a husband with a job, so some of my info may not apply to your situation, but here's my situation.

Originally posted by CamelJockey
#1 would be how it is working out with the student loans. I blew all the savings getting to the starting gate this fall.
It is cheaper for me to be in my house than to rent anywhere else. It really doesn't make a difference in the loans, but if I needed more money, my school will adjust my budget so that I could borrow more.

Originally posted by CamelJockey
#2 would be how did your taxes look after the first year? I am wondering if I could bank on the interest payments being tax deductible each each, meaning I would get most of the taxes back. (My state has enormous property taxes...almost 33% of my mortgage.)
Again, with a working spouse I still have the tax advantage. Even if you work a part time job over school breaks you should retain some tax benefit. Plus you're gaining equity (hopefully). The taxes will be paid by you in one form or another whether you own or are renting, so why not keep paying them yourself so you get the credit.

Originally posted by CamelJockey
#3 does it mean that you'll be coming out of med school at the upper end of the debt spectrum?
Not necesarily. As I said, I'd actually pay more to rent than my mortgage. You may find the same to be true where you live...expecially if you want to live in a decent apartment or rental house.

Hope that helps, even if it doesn't all apply to you personally.
 
where i'm headed, cost of rent is ~ equal, maybe a little less than cost to own. i.e. a nice 2bedroom apt will run you about $1100+util a month around here (a little less if you're away from campus or find a sweeeet deal) and after all taxes and insurance and association fees and whatnot, my total monthly housing payment on a 2bed/1bath condo will also be ~$1100/month. interests rates are great right now and i paid about 135K for the place.

the tax break *will* help me for a couple of reasons:
1) i will have been employed full time for the majority of 2003, paying a good chunk of taxes, prior to starting med school. the house deduction will lower my tax bracket and i should get a better return next year.

2) i am going to be working during school. granted, part-time, but working nontheless. i will have an income and will be filing taxes.

i am fortunate to have excellent credit and to have had a bit of $ for a down payment (even though i'm only putting 3% down on the place - there are cool programs out there right now for that) and i qualified for the loan based on my current salary. i just couldn't justify spending that much on rent when i could be gaining equity (and hell, maybe even making some $$ when i sell, who knows?!) in a town with ever-increasing property values. so i thought i'd give it a shot and apply for the mortgage.

my dilemma now is whether or not i want to be tight and work about 15hrs/week to make the financing game solo, or if i want to suck it up and get a roommate. our school only budgets about $600/month for rent, so i need to come up with the extra $500/month for the payment.

whew that was long. mortgage approval should hopefully come thru today. 🙂 i'm excited about my wee little condo! keep those fingers crossed! 🙂 i may be on the upper end of the debt spectrum when i get out, but who knows, i may make some $ on selling the place and that could be put towards the debt. 🙂
 
hey drMom (and anyone else) ---
will my mortgage have any effect on my ability to get the stafford loans? will they look at that mortgage and say 'no way in flying he!l are we lending money to that monkey! look at all her debt!' or will i still be ok?


ps - the mortgage was approved yesterday!!!!! i'm closing on the place may 15th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wheeeeeeeeeeee! :clap:
 
thanks 🙂

money is just one of those things that gets my panties in a bunch, so i get worried easily. (hence the current two jobs)
 
That is great news on closing your mortgage! Super! Thanks for the info as well Dr.Mom. I don't think the mortgage will have an adverse effect on the loans.

I am awaiting my letter here from the financial aid office. My "problem" is all the savings went into classes for the postbacc program to get to this wonderful starting point. And now with the FAFSA they are looking at my income to tell me what I can get. Of course...there is no money there...so I am afraid this is about to become a nightmare! 🙄
 
So those of you who went out and bought a house - have you regretted it? Has any equity developed since you bought? Any words of wisdom?
 
BACMEDIC said:
So those of you who went out and bought a house - have you regretted it? Has any equity developed since you bought? Any words of wisdom?

My house has gone up a little in value. I have not regretted buying a house for 1 second. I have lots of room, a yard, and I am gaining some equity in my house.

In Omaha, the people who are doing the regretting, are the ones who didn't buy a house.

That said, proceed carefully. Make sure that you can afford the payments and other things that crop up with home ownership. Any try to buy in an area that is somewhat desirable, even if cheap, so that your home value will probably increase.
 
So those of you who went out and bought a house - have you regretted it? Has any equity developed since you bought? Any words of wisdom?

Owning a house has been one of the best decisions I've made in my life.
I bought right before prices started skyrocketing, and now my house is worth about 50k more than I paid for it. About a year ago, we tapped into some of that equity and paid off some of our old debt, which really did a lot for our standard of living.
Home values have dropped a little recently, but I've still got a huge buffer of equity that could be tapped in an emergency.
It was a bit rough at first, though. My mortgage and utilities are more than twice what I was paying in my small apartment; and cold, northern winters in an older house serve you with a painful gas bill.

Despite that, it's really the best investment you can make with someone else's money, and anyone who's planning on staying in the same place for more than a couple years should think about buying.
It's a great time to buy, too. The market is saturated with homes for sale and prices are in a slump.
 
I think it's pretty clear though that 50k in "free" equity is unlikely over the next few years for anyone who buys now.
 
I think it's pretty clear though that 50k in "free" equity is unlikely over the next few years for anyone who buys now.
If you have that great a forsight into the state of the economy 4 years from now, you really should drop out of Vet. School and go into business/trading....

However, if you do, you'd have to learn the first "rule" of business: Buy low.
 
If you have that great a forsight into the state of the economy 4 years from now, you really should drop out of Vet. School and go into business/trading....

However, if you do, you'd have to learn the first "rule" of business: Buy low.

A house is not a stock, and I don't think you need to be a finance wheeler/dealer to see that we're not going to have another housing price surge in the next 4 years.

In a normal market (and this is still a declining market), you don't come out ahead unless you stay in the house for 5 years (factoring transaction costs, maintenance, insurance, etc, etc).

Free equity is great for people who got lucky and rode the bubble, but the bubble was an unprecedented circumstance, and frankly we aren't at "low" yet. I know a few people who are locked into mortgages that are worth more than their houses, and it isn't fun.

Your mileage may vary. Everyone's situation is different, but I'm just saying people should be careful.
 
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A house is not a stock, and I don't think you need to be a finance wheeler/dealer to see that we're not going to have another housing price surge in the next 4 years.
Real estate is a commodity that has its own market, not that different from the stock market. The primary differences are in the size of the market(s), the fact that they are regional, and the fact that a house has intrinsic value, unlike a share (or a number of shares) of stock.

How do you know what will happen 4 years from now?

In a normal market (and this is still a declining market), you don't come out ahead unless you stay in the house for 5 years (factoring transaction costs, maintenance, insurance, etc, etc).
Uh, wrong. (Though to be fair, you are probably just making A LOT of assumptions here, most of which you are not stating.)

Free equity is great for people who got lucky and rode the bubble, but the bubble was an unprecedented circumstance, and frankly we aren't at "low" yet. I know a few people who are locked into mortgages that are worth more than their houses, and it isn't fun.
So, what is the "low," since you seem to know?

Your mileage may vary. Everyone's situation is different, but I'm just saying people should be careful.
And I'm just saying that it's downright silly to claim to know what the housing market will do 1 year, let alone 4 years from now.
 
Uh, wrong. (Though to be fair, you are probably just making A LOT of assumptions here, most of which you are not stating.)

It's just an old rule of thumb. Here's a calculation example I found online (saved in my gmail financial scrapbook) that will take you through it:

Interweb said:
Rent scenario

Assets: Downpayment * 5.5% annual return (in a long-term CD or a bond)
for X number of years

Liabilities: Rent (with 3% annual inflation) for X number of years,
renter's insurance for X number of years

Buy scenario

Assets: Principal payments you make on your house for X number of
years, according to your amortization sheets, tax savings over and
above what you could claim without the house (not always the entire
deductible amount, depending on your situation)

Liabilities: All mortgage interest you will be paying, all real estate
taxes, all repairs and improvements you will be making, all condo fees
you will be paying, all homeowner's insurance fees you will be paying,
all PMI you will be paying if you put less than 20% down.

Example

Let's say you have $60,000 for a down payment, pay $1,200/month rent,
and $100/year renter's insurance.

At the end of five years, you have $78,417 in assets (a profit of
$18,417). You've spent $76,951 on rent and insurance.

You're thinking of buying a $250,000 house (good for you; you've found
a deal!). You put $50,000 down to avoid PMI, pay $5,000 in transfer
tax, $1,000 in miscellaneous fees, and escrow a good portion of the
remaining $4,000 with the mortgage company for tax and insurance.

Your annual tax bill is $2000/year (low), and your annual insurance
fee is $1000/year (average). We'll assume those don't change (big
assumption).

Assuming a 30 year fixed loan at 6.5%, you've paid off $13,028 at the
end of that five years.

But you've also paid $64,084 in interest and $10,000 in taxes, and
$5,000 in insurance. Let's say that all of the interest and RE taxes
are deductible in the 28% tax bracket, which brings you to a total
adjusted housing payment of $58,340. This is also assuming you haven't
had to do any maintenance or repairs whatsoever to your house (ha
ha!).

So, at the end of five years, you need to "beat" $18,417 minus $76,951
for a net "housing payment" of $58,534, which is what would happen if
you rented.

.92X (net selling price) - $186,972 (what's left on your mortgage) -
$58,340 (interest, taxes, and insurance accounting for tax savings) -
$6,000 (initial closing costs) must be > = $58,534 for you to break
even.

End result: $336,789 is your magic number, and 6.14% is the average
annual rate of house appreciation you'd need.

So, what is the "low," since you seem to know? ... And I'm just saying that it's downright silly to claim to know what the housing market will do 1 year, let alone 4 years from now.

I don't think 1 year is very hard to predict. When the financial sector and media talking heads in the United States, Canada, Great Britain, and Australia, among other places, are nearly unanimous in predicting continued declines, it's sort-of a self fulfilling prophecy. Of course it's quite possible to be wrong, but it seems sufficiently in question that buying now isn't a no-brainer great idea.

In case anyone cares, my best bet is that we'll see a national bottom sometime in 09 followed by flat prices for a few more years (declines in real values relative to inflation). I think this is pretty reasonable considering the last housing "bust" in 1991, which followed a much smaller bubble, was followed by flat values for 6 years after that.

The context for me by the way is that we're seriously considering buying a house/condo this winter - I'm by no means anti-ownership. Wish me luck!:laugh:
 
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The numbers in your link are WAY off from my experience (I have bought, sold, and rented many houses,) but I'm not going to debate them (though there is no such thing as "transfer tax" in any region that I have bought/sold a house, and no prime buyer in his right mind would escrow money (though I haven't applied for a mortgage in the past year -- brokers may not be as willing to give free escrow waivers anymore,) and it looks like that escrowed money is being counted as a cost, when it is really an interest-free loan to the bank) and that was pretty much always my point in every post that I make to everyone about this subject. Real Estate is a HIGHLY REGIONAL market (Best exemplified by the fact that your article claims $250k for a house is a "deal," when $250k here buys you a mansion -- put another way, if you are paying $250k for an average home in this area, you have been scammed big time) You are claiming that "the" market is declining, yet average prices are increasing in some places (why I am actually considering selling one of my rentals this year.) Therefore, it is assinine to make blanket statements about what the real estate market will do in 1 year (Think of it this way, did your crystal ball predict the big housing implosion 1 year before it happened?) let alone 4 (4 years ago, would your crystal ball have predicted the drammatic runup in prices followed by the implosion of many markets?)
 
Therefore, it is assinine to make blanket statements about what the real estate market will do in 1 year (Think of it this way, did your crystal ball predict the big housing implosion 1 year before it happened?) let alone 4 (4 years ago, would your crystal ball have predicted the drammatic runup in prices followed by the implosion of many markets?)

I think you're just exaggerating the degree to which I'm pretending knowledge. I never claimed to have a crystal ball. If anyone thinks that a local runup in prices is likely, then of course they should buy as soon as they can. All I said was that overall (in many parts of the country, and for most people), "free" (i.e., bubbleicious) equity is unlikely over the next few years.

We've got a 4% real estate transfer tax in Philly (3% city, 1% state), and it does suck. I believe the example quoted above was originally from Phillyblog, IIRC.

This is the wrong forum for this discussion anyway; my fault for endorsing (by reply) the bump of a 5 year old thread! :laugh:
 
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