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I noticed many many private practice psychologists in my area do not list their fees on their websites. I wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this and wanted to understand the reasoning behind this. I am as of now leaning towards putting my fee on my website but I’m wondering why some individuals choose not to. Thank you
 
My guess is it’s a sales tactic to get them “in the door” by calling or reaching out, so to speak. Another factor might be that they don’t want their competitors seeing it.

My fees are listed on the site publicly because I get annoyed when I can’t see professionals’s fees—it’s sort of a “do as I want to see” mindset. That said, some people don’t read closely enough to see the fees on my website or psychology today (or the fact that I don’t take insurance) and I still have to let them know when they reach out. But at least it’s there.

The reality is, regardless of whether you post the fee publicly or not, it won’t change peoples’s ability to pay, so I would rather put the info out there so they don’t have to reach out and waste their time contacting me when they shouldn’t have to.
 
1) When you sign up to be a provider for XYZ insurance, they ask what your usual and customary fee is (i.e., U&C). Once every year or two, the insurance companies survey your geographical area to determine the average cash fee. Their surveys are used to come up with a reimbursement number, which they discount by ~20%. This ends up being what they allow you to charge. From that charge, they often expect the patient to pay 20% (i.e., a co-pay). Insurance contracts usually have a clause that says that you promise that your surveyed cash rate is actually what you charge people, and not just some made up number. If you get audited, and the insurance company finds out that your actual cash rate is different than what you have been telling them, they can recoup the difference. This can also happen if they discover you are habitually waiving co-pays, as this serves as evidence that your actual U&C charges are 20% less.

Nightmare Example: You are a contracted provider for XYZ insurance. When signing the contract, you told them that your U&C hourly rate is $200/hr. XYZ insurance surveys your area, believes your rates are average for the area, discounts said U&C rate by 20% to ~$160/hr, directly reimburses you $128/hr, and requires you to get a $32 copay from the patient. Remember, you are contractually obligated to get that $32/hr co-pay. The insurance decides to audit you. They discover your website says you charge $100/hr, which is NOT what you told them. Then their audit team discovers that you always waive the $32 copay. That fee means you have misrepresented your actual U&C charges. Insurance uses the search function in their system, pulls up how many times they have paid you $128/hr. Let's say it's 100 times a year, over the last 5 years. Then they tell you that they know that you hourly rate is really $100/hr, and you lied to them when signing that contract. They also point out that the contract says you should be offering them a 20% discount on your U&C. At $100/hr, that is $80/hr, of which they cover $64, with the patient paying a 20% co-pay. Over those 5 years, they have paid you ~$64k, when they really should have paid you ~$32k. So you owe them $32k. Often, they will just subtract this from your monthly payments, over several years. Or maybe it's a criminal action for insurance fraud . IDK.

2) There is also some ridiculous concerns about "price fixing", where everyone says we shouldn't tell each other what we charge, because that might break price fixing laws. I've never heard of enforcement of that, but IDK much.

3) It's bad business.

a. It opens the door to downward negotiation, which never benefits you.
b. Because you have to increase your fees to meet inflation, you can catch people in a "that price was from before we adjusted our website".
c. What is the benefit to you?
 
3) It's bad business.

a. It opens the door to downward negotiation, which never benefits you.
b. Because you have to increase your fees to meet inflation, you can catch people in a "that price was from before we adjusted our website".
c. What is the benefit to you?


3. a. If you don't negotiate fees with clients, this isn't a problem.

b. In my consent forms, I reserve the right to adjust my fees with 30 days notice. This is pretty standard. Also, adjusting the website fee amount before you change your fees is important and sort of a given, so this isn't a problem, either. If you change your fees every year for "inflation," then I suppose that opens the door to a lot more confusion and questions from clients, but I don't. I charge what the area/market will bear and stay at that rate for a long time.

c. The benefits? It saves time for both me and potential clients, and increases transparency.

As I said before, just because I don't publish my fees on my site doesn't mean someone who couldn't afford to see me will suddenly be able to if they call me and hear me say it over the phone. I get the "personal" element of talking to someone being a form of persuasion if they like what they hear, but some folks like me and still can't afford me--they need someone who takes insurance regardless. I have to turn away clients regularly, but not publishing my fee on my website won't change that.
 
My guess is it’s a sales tactic to get them “in the door” by calling or reaching out, so to speak. Another factor might be that they don’t want their competitors seeing it.

My fees are listed on the site publicly because I get annoyed when I can’t see professionals’s fees—it’s sort of a “do as I want to see” mindset. That said, some people don’t read closely enough to see the fees on my website or psychology today (or the fact that I don’t take insurance) and I still have to let them know when they reach out. But at least it’s there.
I love this so much!! It's so annoying to see the equivalent of "dm me for prices" and then if I find out it's too expensive for me, I feel like I wasted my time because it could have been posted in the first place. Either I can afford something or I can't.
 
3. a. If you don't negotiate fees with clients, this isn't a problem.

b. In my consent forms, I reserve the right to adjust my fees with 30 days notice. This is pretty standard. Also, adjusting the website fee amount before you change your fees is important and sort of a given, so this isn't a problem, either. If you change your fees every year for "inflation," then I suppose that opens the door to a lot more confusion and questions from clients, but I don't. I charge what the area/market will bear and stay at that rate for a long time.

c. The benefits? It saves time for both me and potential clients, and increases transparency.

As I said before, just because I don't publish my fees on my site doesn't mean someone who couldn't afford to see me will suddenly be able to if they call me and hear me say it over the phone. I get the "personal" element of talking to someone being a form of persuasion if they like what they hear, but some folks like me and still can't afford me--they need someone who takes insurance regardless. I have to turn away clients regularly, but not publishing my fee on my website won't change that.

B. if you don’t adjust for inflation, you are literally losing money. There is a reason everyone gets an annual cost of living raise. If you do not, you are either somehow not subject to economic rules or you are willing to continuously lower your purchasing power and screw over your personal retirement.

C. Lamborghini doesn’t publish their prices. They can’t sell in volume, either, so they modify their unit price.
 
B. if you don’t adjust for inflation, you are literally losing money. There is a reason everyone gets an annual cost of living raise. If you do not, you are either somehow not subject to economic rules or you are willing to continuously lower your purchasing power and screw over your personal retirement.

C. Lamborghini doesn’t publish their prices. They can’t sell in volume, either, so they modify their unit price.
B. I get that, but I don’t work in an area where folks can regularly pay higher. I constantly turn folks down at my current rate, which tells me if I adjust for inflation every year, I’ll turn down even more clients and have zero income where I could’ve had a reasonable amount. I’m simply being realistic for my area. I understand the limitations, and have at times considered practicing in a higher income area nearby, but there are trade offs. There are trade offs for every decision you make. For the time being, I’ve decided it’s worth it to practice where I practice.

C. See B.
 
I have a small, cash-only assessment practice side-hustle, and I don’t list my prices. I have talked this over with a few colleagues, and for me I like that I still get inquiries from people who couldn’t afford my full rate but who I offer take a reduced fee from (eg 18yo who needs autism assessment but is paying out of pocket and parents are not involved). I worry that if I post my full fee, I’ll never get their call. I also don’t want to post that I have any kind of sliding scale bc then people might be pushy or obnoxious about it. FWIW, I usually do a 30 min free consult to start with and try to point people in the right direction if we aren’t a good fit, financially or otherwise, so I hope people don’t feel that they’ve wasted their time. My area is small and I’m not inundated with calls, so I don’t feel that it wastes mine.
 
I have a small, cash-only assessment practice side-hustle, and I don’t list my prices. I have talked this over with a few colleagues, and for me I like that I still get inquiries from people who couldn’t afford my full rate but who I offer take a reduced fee from (eg 18yo who needs autism assessment but is paying out of pocket and parents are not involved). I worry that if I post my full fee, I’ll never get their call. I also don’t want to post that I have any kind of sliding scale bc then people might be pushy or obnoxious about it. FWIW, I usually do a 30 min free consult to start with and try to point people in the right direction if we aren’t a good fit, financially or otherwise, so I hope people don’t feel that they’ve wasted their time. My area is small and I’m not inundated with calls, so I don’t feel that it wastes mine.
Generally I'd be for just posting fees as foreverbull mentioned, but... I never have any kind of shortage of folks so I never would have considered the 30 min free consult approach. I really dig that for exactly the type of scenario you mentioned. Though I think I would restrict that to via telehealth/zoom or whatever because I'd hate to ask someone to go through all the hassle of coming in person and all the rearranging of schedules that (might) entail. But that's a lovely idea if it works with your current volume and setup.
 
I have a small, cash-only assessment practice side-hustle, and I don’t list my prices. I have talked this over with a few colleagues, and for me I like that I still get inquiries from people who couldn’t afford my full rate but who I offer take a reduced fee from (eg 18yo who needs autism assessment but is paying out of pocket and parents are not involved). I worry that if I post my full fee, I’ll never get their call. I also don’t want to post that I have any kind of sliding scale bc then people might be pushy or obnoxious about it. FWIW, I usually do a 30 min free consult to start with and try to point people in the right direction if we aren’t a good fit, financially or otherwise, so I hope people don’t feel that they’ve wasted their time. My area is small and I’m not inundated with calls, so I don’t feel that it wastes mine.
This makes sense—folks who utilize sliding scales may find it more beneficial to not post full fee if there’s room to negotiate.

That said, I have to say, almost no one has tried to negotiate my rate down, after hundreds of calls and emails I’ve answered. I’m wondering how often this happens for other practitioners?
 
Generally I'd be for just posting fees as foreverbull mentioned, but... I never have any kind of shortage of folks so I never would have considered the 30 min free consult approach. I really dig that for exactly the type of scenario you mentioned. Though I think I would restrict that to via telehealth/zoom or whatever because I'd hate to ask someone to go through all the hassle of coming in person and all the rearranging of schedules that (might) entail. But that's a lovely idea if it works with your current volume and setup.
It’s a phone consultation, not in office. Just a “tell me why you’re looking for an evaluation?” conversation 😊 I would definitely not rearrange a schedule for it!
 
This makes sense—folks who utilize sliding scales may find it more beneficial to not post full fee if there’s room to negotiate.

That said, I have to say, almost no one has tried to negotiate my rate down, after hundreds of calls and emails I’ve answered. I’m wondering how often this happens for other practitioners?
No one has ever tried to talk me down, it’s when I can tell from the circumstances someone is describing in the phone consult that they wouldn’t be able to afford my full fee, then I will offer a rate they may or may not realize is discounted. This isn’t super frequent, but because of the type of evals I do, a lot of the people who need them are pushed to the fringes of society, so I take that into consideration.
 
I'd actually say many of my PP colleagues (at least in neuro) don't even have websites for posting fees in the first place. In the clinical world, it's pretty easy to have a waitlist 6+ months out, especially if you take medicare. And, if you're doing IME work for a good chunk of your time, pretty easy to push that out further. I put the word out I was seeing clinical patients again and was scheduled out for 3 months within a few weeks for available clinical slots.
 
Just to add to the conversation, providing a flat rate on your website also does not allow for discounting hard to fill spots as needed. If your rate is $150, but someone calls that can afford $100/session and can come for a 2pm Monday slot that is always empty, are you turning them down?
 
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Although most of my work time is spent as a tt faculty, I also have a small pp on the side. Include me with the others who have chosen to list their fees on their website, for many of the same reasons.

I'll add that I also take insurance. I'm on two different large panels and I went back and skimmed my application and contract materials. I found no evidence of them asking my current rates, stipulating what I could charge others, or setting expectations for number of their members I see. To the contrary, I found two statements reminding me the contract did not require me to accept all their members who seek services and that I was free to contract with other payors (as they are free to contract with other providers). I also state on my website that I reserve a few sliding scale spots. In three years I've had one person ask, and their offer was above the insurance rate; I gladly accepted.

Side note, and maybe a trend in this thread. I've recently begun providing specialized assessments and do not list those fees on my site.

Those asserting what one can and can not do regarding listing fees/contracting with insurance, are there laws or business codes you can site? Or sample contract language you can show us to look out for?
 
Although most of my work time is spent as a tt faculty, I also have a small pp on the side. Include me with the others who have chosen to list their fees on their website, for many of the same reasons.

I'll add that I also take insurance. I'm on two different large panels and I went back and skimmed my application and contract materials. I found no evidence of them asking my current rates, stipulating what I could charge others, or setting expectations for number of their members I see. To the contrary, I found two statements reminding me the contract did not require me to accept all their members who seek services and that I was free to contract with other payors (as they are free to contract with other providers). I also state on my website that I reserve a few sliding scale spots. In three years I've had one person ask, and their offer was above the insurance rate; I gladly accepted.

Side note, and maybe a trend in this thread. I've recently begun providing specialized assessments and do not list those fees on my site.

Those asserting what one can and can not do regarding listing fees/contracting with insurance, are there laws or business codes you can site? Or sample contract language you can show us to look out for?

In the provider agreement of a large insurer here, by credentialing with this insurer, you agree to the following:

"Charging the general public the same amounts as XXXXX Subscribers"
 
In the provider agreement of a large insurer here, by credentialing with this insurer, you agree to the following:

"Charging the general public the same amounts as XXXXX Subscribers"
interesting, maybe another example of how things are different in CA? I find no such clauses in my contracts with BCBS and Magellan. Which insurer is asking this?
 
interesting, maybe another example of how things are different in CA? I find no such clauses in my contracts with BCBS and Magellan. Which insurer is asking this?

That actually is from BCBS. There should be a provider contract, which likely references provider agreement policies. By signing the contract, you agree to the policies set forth in those that it references.

It's possible that some states have certain statutes that make that state different, but I would be skeptical given the lobbying power of insurance companies.
 
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