Admissions process makes you dumb?

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Does anyone else feel like the admissions process has lowered your intelligence? With all the time writing essays, filling out forms, trying to coordinate random things, I hardly spend any reading, thinking, or doing any kind of real learning. 🙁
 
It's a good preparation for the preclinical MD curriculum. It atrophies higher reasoning functions which clears room for all the factoids you need to memorize for exams and Step I.
 
It's a good preparation for the preclinical MD curriculum. It atrophies higher reasoning functions which clears room for all the factoids you need to memorize for exams and Step I.
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When I read the OP's question, I was between studying for Path and writing up an abstract. OP - get used to having several projects going at once (Clubs, school, and research).
 
It's a good preparation for the preclinical MD curriculum. It atrophies higher reasoning functions which clears room for all the factoids you need to memorize for exams and Step I.
:laugh: 👍 I read the OP's message and thought, "oh, honey, if you think this is bad, wait until you actually start med school." I don't think I've ever been dumber in my whole life than I am right now. 😛
 
I was just a bit frustrated yesterday. I think my writing ability (an invaluable skill) has improved a lot over the summer. Interviewing skills will also be useful throughout my career.

Congrats to all those who are starting to get interviews!
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I was just a bit frustrated yesterday. I think my writing ability (an invaluable skill) has improved a lot over the summer. Interviewing skills will also be useful throughout my career.

Congrats to all those who are starting to get interviews!
🙂
Your mistake here is in thinking that any of this entire med school process is actually intended to teach you anything useful at all. 😉

I'm teasing you, MC. I was amazed at how much info could be packed into my head in even one short year. First year really is frustrating sometimes though because you don't know anything about anything. But so far this year is better. As for the apps, just take things one step at a time; thousands of other people have gotten through this, and you will too. You'll feel better once you get that first acceptance. After that, you'll just swish off all those other app annoyances with your tail like the nuisance flies they are. 🙂
 
If anything, I think the medical school 1st and 2nd year cirriculum is full of reading and thinking, if only to cram crap into your head.

If you want to be full of meaningless paperwork including essays, forms, and coordinating random things, do any sort of research that involves humans or patient data. If you avoid that, be careful about what residency you choose. I think Internal Medicine is about 95% paperwork, 5% medicine.

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If you want to be full of meaningless paperwork including essays, forms, and coordinating random things, do any sort of research that involves humans or patient data. If you avoid that, be careful about what residency you choose. I think Internal Medicine is about 95% paperwork, 5% medicine.


Well-stated, Neuronix. The feeling of getting dumber and dumber best describes your role as a third-year medical student. You will learn about zebras, get pimped on dinosaurs, and hope to see horses on the shelves!

Plus, soooo much paperwork, phone calls, paging...basically your inpt scutwork is 90% secretarial. You gradually lose your freedoms one-by-one, regain some back in that glorious last year called MS4, then kiss it good-bye during residency (sigh) 🙁
 
Riiiiiight, it's much better to go into basic science instead so that you spend all of your days writing grants that don't get funded and manuscripts that don't get published, in between doing experiments that you realize won't ever work after six months of time and effort down the drain. Oh, and it doesn't matter anyway because your hot project was scooped two months ago. Plus, if you're in a basic science dept. and you're really lucky, you might get to teach auditoriums full of hundreds of premeds who hate your subject and only want to know what is the bare minimum they have to do so that you'll give them an A, and you can spend hours arguing with dozens of them over every single point after every test. And let's not forget the joys of sitting through eight zillion committee meetings for everything from hiring a new prof for the dept. to deciding what brand of paper should be used in the dept. copy machines.

You have to pick your poison. Unfortunately, there is a lot of tedium, paperwork, and nuisances in *any* job. That's why what people do for their jobs is called *work*. Personally, I'd rather fill out forms all day than sit through meetings. At least that way, I'll have a pile of filled out forms accomplished by the end of the day. 😉
 
Riiiiiight, it's much better to go into basic science instead so that you spend all of your days writing grants that don't get funded and manuscripts that don't get published, in between doing experiments that you realize won't ever work after six months of time and effort down the drain. Oh, and it doesn't matter anyway because your hot project was scooped two months ago.

If anything involves learning, that stuff does. Writing manuscripts, doing experiments, thinking about results, planning, having experiments work and not work, writing grants... That stuff has the most thinking involved, though it depends how tedious your experiments are. I'm in the fortunate position of constantly designing my own protocols and tweaking them for almost everything I do, so I find the experimental part of my work fascinating. I would go be a clinican before I sat around doing Western Blots all day again. The view in the quoted paragraph is a very pessimistic view however. It implies that most of your work will be for naught, which simply isn't true. If it is, you won't be a professor for long 😉

Maybe you haven't done the type of research I'm talking about, but the sheer paperwork, beuracracy, and documentation required to simply do one simple experiment can be overwhelming. It's not like you have to spend weeks waiting for an IRB or IACUC and then two separate approval committees just to take a spectrum, but that's how it might be if you want to get that spectrum out of someone's or some animal's head with an MR scanner, for example.

Plus, if you're in a basic science dept. and you're really lucky, you might get to teach auditoriums full of hundreds of premeds who hate your subject and only want to know what is the bare minimum they have to do so that you'll give them an A, and you can spend hours arguing with dozens of them over every single point after every test.

I'll agree with that part, as colleges really don't give you any resources or incentive for teaching despite it being supposedly the real mission of the college. I don't know many MD/PhDs who come out and teach undergrads though. It's very rare in my experience. MD/PhDs can make so much more money doing clinical work, so that's what they have to fight doing.

As for premeds, who we all much more resemble as MD/PhD applicants or actually were if you applied to med school, I feel like they generally get a bad rep on this forum even though there's goods and bads like anything else. There's tremendous pressure on them to get excellent grades and I've seen people get lower grades over one or several questions they could have argued but then they didn't argue and found out about their lower grade after it was too late. So I don't blame them for arguing and cramming for that A instead of just learning for the fun of it--the system has set things up for them the way they are. The one's who aren't neurotic about their grades get weeded out.

You have to pick your poison. Unfortunately, there is a lot of tedium, paperwork, and nuisances in *any* job.

As true as that is, some jobs have much more of it than others. That's my point and I'm sticking to it. The sad thing is that the amount of overhead and beuracracy keeps increasing and I think it's beginning to stifle patient-oriented research in the USA because of the sheer amount of resources devoted to it.
 
Heh, yeah, it was pretty pessimistic. And I'm far enough out of grad school by now that I ought to be reminiscing about it more. Which I do, sometimes--just not today, obviously. 😉

Maybe I've just been lucky when it comes to clinical research bureaucracy. I'm not saying there are never any frustrating days, but it has been much better than expected. Partially, I suppose, it's because when you're in a huge group like the one I joined, they hire administrative people to take care of all that paperwork. I never dealt with most of it.

I actually really enjoy teaching, even premeds. What I detest is *grading.* I also don't like ginormous classes. 👎 I do agree that students should ask for points that are obviously wrongly taken away. But until you've had a dozen students whom you've never even seen all semester lined up outside your door to complain about a random point when the only way they'll deserve an A is in a parallel universe, you can't possibly appreciate how obnoxious it can be. You also probably have no idea how rampant the cheating is among premeds; we used to photocopy the exams for proof b/c some would try to change their answers. Then there are the ones who try to be clever and do things like paste cheat sheets to the visors of their baseball caps during tests. I don't care how rotten the system is and how much pressure there is on you to get an A, anyone with enough intelligence and sense of morality to be a future physician knows that cheating is wrong.

Anyway, I think that most of these point snafus even out in the long run, because mistakes run both ways: sometimes I'd forget to take off points that I should have for wrong answers, too. Somehow, no students ever came complaining about those mistakes. 😛 And there were definitely plenty of mercy Cs who deserved to fail but lucked out because of curves.
 
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