advanced surgical recall

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I"ll be starting my sub-i soon. Does 'advanced surgical recall' help with the pimping in ones sub-i or will the generic surgical recall suffice? I've heard that sabiston's is another good book to check out, any others? Thanks for your help 🙂

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Sabistons is too much for a sub-i, although it is an excellent text. If you want to read it go to the hospital's library. Cameron's is popular but still too dense at this stage in the game IMHO. Residents would copy a chapter out of it and carry it with them throughout the day, seemed to work. However if you can manage to get Lawerence's Essentials down then you da man. Perfect book for a sub-i.

The regular surgical recall is plenty for pimp sessions. I don't think the advanced version will even fit in a white coat.

That being said here's some tips for ye sub-i:

Flip open Zollingers Atlas before a case you are interested in. Practice your ties non stop. Once you get em down, then practice with your non-dependent hand. Keep the hemoccult slides/developer handy. Put the foley in before the resident hits the OR for bonus points from the OR team. Maybe they will remember you after that. Pre-op, pre-op, pre-op, post-op notes, post-op notes, post-op notes. Get face time with the resident director. Give a high five to your anesthesiologist.

Now then, just know your abdominal wall layers, various triangles, retroperitoneal structures, portal flow, that damn celiac trunk, colon watershead areas, the intercostobracial nerve/axillary nerve/long thoracic nerve relations for your breast surgeries along with lymph flow, the fecolith, the friggen gallbladder, dumping syndrome. Throw in MEN syndromes for the thyroid surgeries as well as first signs of hypocalcemia (perioral tingling I think) and recurrent laryngeal nerve anatomy, BP drops in stage 3 hypovolemic shock. Oh yeah, know your electrolytes and always know your I's and O's. Thats a good start. All that stuff is in Recall and Lawerence. Pimp city brother.

Current Clinical Strategies: Surgery is a handy book to put in your front pocket.

Yes I was extremely interested in surgery at one time. Now would be a good time to purchase The ICU book as well.

If you do/know all this you'll be fine....probably.
N'joy!
 
VentdependenT said:
Sabistons is too much for a sub-i, although it is an excellent text. If you want to read it go to the hospital's library. Cameron's is popular but still too dense at this stage in the game IMHO. Residents would copy a chapter out of it and carry it with them throughout the day, seemed to work. However if you can manage to get Lawerence's Essentials down then you da man. Perfect book for a sub-i.

The regular surgical recall is plenty for pimp sessions. I don't think the advanced version will even fit in a white coat.

That being said here's some tips for ye sub-i:

Flip open Zollingers Atlas before a case you are interested in. Practice your ties non stop. Once you get em down, then practice with your non-dependent hand. Keep the hemoccult slides/developer handy. Put the foley in before the resident hits the OR for bonus points from the OR team. Maybe they will remember you after that. Pre-op, pre-op, pre-op, post-op notes, post-op notes, post-op notes. Get face time with the resident director. Give a high five to your anesthesiologist.

Now then, just know your abdominal wall layers, various triangles, retroperitoneal structures, portal flow, that damn celiac trunk, colon watershead areas, the intercostobracial nerve/axillary nerve/long thoracic nerve relations for your breast surgeries along with lymph flow, the fecolith, the friggen gallbladder, dumping syndrome. Throw in MEN syndromes for the thyroid surgeries as well as first signs of hypocalcemia (perioral tingling I think) and recurrent laryngeal nerve anatomy, BP drops in stage 3 hypovolemic shock. Oh yeah, know your electrolytes and always know your I's and O's. Thats a good start. All that stuff is in Recall and Lawerence. Pimp city brother.

Current Clinical Strategies: Surgery is a handy book to put in your front pocket.

Yes I was extremely interested in surgery at one time. Now would be a good time to purchase The ICU book as well.

If you do/know all this you'll be fine....probably.
N'joy!


wow thanks a lot for the advice.. but um.. what have I gotten myself into? I don'tk now any of that stuff yet! Haven't even tied a knot in months 🙁
Btw, is there a reason you recommend Lawrence over Way's book? I have both, and found that Way was much easier to read.
 
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avgjoe said:
wow thanks a lot for the advice.. but um.. what have I gotten myself into? I don'tk now any of that stuff yet! Haven't even tied a knot in months 🙁
Btw, is there a reason you recommend Lawrence over Way's book? I have both, and found that Way was much easier to read.


Don't know Way. Lawrence is packed with goodness and I highly recommend reading through the majority of it.
 
avgjoe said:
I"ll be starting my sub-i soon. Does 'advanced surgical recall' help with the pimping in ones sub-i or will the generic surgical recall suffice? I've heard that sabiston's is another good book to check out, any others? Thanks for your help 🙂

Hi there,
Lawrence is good enough for a Sub I and Surgical Recall is enough for a pocket book. If you really know Lawrence well and can answer the questions plus do the scenarios, you are more than prepared for a Sub I.

As VentdependenT said above, skills are your key to success. Make sure you can close skin; place central lines and tie secure knots (two-handed or one-handed). Also, be sure that you really know how to work up and manage surgical pathology such as cholelithiasis, cholecystitis, appendicitis, peptic ulcer disease, diverticulosis, diverticulitis, colon cancer, benign breast masses, malignant breast disease.

njbmd 🙂
 
I did my surg subI last July. Most of the reading I did was from surg recall and I used Cameron and an atlas specifically to read about my patient's diseases and operative procedures. My subI was great...much less pimping and more time focusing on patient management and operative procedures...it seemed like the residents treat you a little differently than during your clerkship (they know you are interested, which helps). I also got to do much more in the OR than i did in 3rd year (nothing major, but nonetheless very fun!). The key to success for me was working my butt off (my skills and knowledge aren't the greatest, but I tried to keep up). If you are doing an SICU rotation, I would second the purchase of the ICU book by Marino...it rocks! Good luck and have fun!
 
Did you guys do a SubI at your institution or as an away?

klubguts said:
I did my surg subI last July. Most of the reading I did was from surg recall and I used Cameron and an atlas specifically to read about my patient's diseases and operative procedures. My subI was great...much less pimping and more time focusing on patient management and operative procedures...it seemed like the residents treat you a little differently than during your clerkship (they know you are interested, which helps). I also got to do much more in the OR than i did in 3rd year (nothing major, but nonetheless very fun!). The key to success for me was working my butt off (my skills and knowledge aren't the greatest, but I tried to keep up). If you are doing an SICU rotation, I would second the purchase of the ICU book by Marino...it rocks! Good luck and have fun!
 
Ergo said:
Did you guys do a SubI at your institution or as an away?
I did my subI at my home institution....didn't really have any specific place i wanted to get a closer look at prior to the interview season.
 
Ergo said:
Did you guys do a SubI at your institution or as an away?

I did my sub-i's at my home institution. I knew the hospital/information system and didn't have to spend time figuring out where to find radiology, bathroom, etc 😉
 
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