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Hello everyone,

I am new here so please bear with me. So I have a unique circumstance. I graduated about a year ago with a 2.87 GPA (no real trends) with a major in Biology and minor in Chemistry (Pre-Med track). My central problem throughout college was a combination of lack of motivation, poor work ethic and low self-esteem. I was basically drifting through undergrad like a naive child unsure of what it was that I truly wanted of myself.

It wasn't until my early senior year when my grandmother passed away that I woke up and realized my passion was medicine. My grandmother was an 82 year old former OBGYN from Iran. Her dream was always to see me become a doctor because she knew I had a natural interest but I had lacked the maturity to see it in myself.

In any case, after her death I started getting serious about school. That still was not reflected on my GPA because it was still too late.

After graduation, I put aside about 5-6 months to study for the MCAT. I now realize I probably should have put together a real plan before taking it. Miraculously, I scored a 521. I ultimately proved to myself that I am capable if I am willing to put the work in. Unfortunately, I know the MCAT is just one part of the screening process for medical schools. My main goal is to go the MD route and involve myself in clinical research.

My question is what should I do? I am really nervous about speaking with the Pre-Health advisor at my former institution because the last time I went in his office he seemed disinterested in helping me achieve my goal (he told me to give up medical school and become a phlebotomist without knowing very much about me or even looking at my transcript). Are there any advisors at secondary institution that can give me advice? I know that it may seem asinine and ambitious for someone with my resume to pursue an allopathic degree but it is truly what I want and I am determined to make this a reality.

Just some more information: I am 24 years old, I don't believe I qualify as a URM, highly interested in research, patient care, neuroscience and biochemistry. My current job is as a research assistant at my alma mater's medical school. Are there any other current medical students with circumstances similar to mine?
 
Ethnicity?

You will need to ace (GPA 3.7+) 1-2 years of a DIY post-bac or an SMP (a 1 year program should suffice). Go read everything the wise DrMidlife has written about this in the non-trad forum. You need to now show Adcom members that you can handle med school.
 
Ethnicity?

You will need to ace (GPA 3.7+) 1-2 years of a DIY post-bac or an SMP (a 1 year program should suffice). Go read everything the wise DrMidlife has written about this in the non-trad forum. You need to now show Adcom members that you can handle med school.
I guess I would be considered white. My parents are both Iranian but I was born and raised in the US. Could you please link me me to his forum? I'm just clueless as to what the differences are between a traditional post-bacc, DIY post-bacc and SMP. I'm also in a bit of turmoil financially so I want to take the most affordable route. Thank you for the punctual response. You guys/gals at SDN are awesome!
 
Yes, I have already graduated with 124 credits. The SMP route seems intriguing to me. But just skimming through some of these SDN forums, I see some say that it's a lot of money and some say it's a waste of time. Does this all hinge on the student's ability to put in the work or is there real cause for concern? I am not familiar with the placement rate of SMP's into allopathic programs. Since this is a master's degree- let's say the placement is low- would it be possible to continue your education with that degree to pursue a PhD? Like I've said before, my main goal is to go the MD route but I want to be cautious. I want to make sure that I have a few backup plans because my UG GPA is so poor. Is an SMP degree equivalent to a MS for furthering education or is this more of a bridge to medical school only?
 
Yes, I have already graduated with 124 credits. The SMP route seems intriguing to me. But just skimming through some of these SDN forums, I see some say that it's a lot of money and some say it's a waste of time. Does this all hinge on the student's ability to put in the work or is there real cause for concern? I am not familiar with the placement rate of SMP's into allopathic programs. Since this is a master's degree- let's say the placement is low- would it be possible to continue your education with that degree to pursue a PhD? Like I've said before, my main goal is to go the MD route but I want to be cautious. I want to make sure that I have a few backup plans because my UG GPA is so poor. Is an SMP degree equivalent to a MS for furthering education or is this more of a bridge to medical school only?
There is a huge variety of SMP quality. Some places are really not worthwhile at all, and will only guarantee you an interview-even if you're top of the class, they can just reject you citing interview performance.

Others, however, have a "linkage" setup with their med school, where you are automatically admitted to the medical school if you keep at least a certain GPA in the SMP. This is what you want.

I don't know the exact SMPs that are best off the top of my head but I am certain it has been discussed many times on SDN! Try some searching (in the upper right)
 
There is a huge variety of SMP quality. Some places are really not worthwhile at all, and will only guarantee you an interview-even if you're top of the class, they can just reject you citing interview performance.

Others, however, have a "linkage" setup with their med school, where you are automatically admitted to the medical school if you keep at least a certain GPA in the SMP. This is what you want.

I don't know the exact SMPs that are best off the top of my head but I am certain it has been discussed many times on SDN! Try some searching (in the upper right)
Thank you so much! Like I've said, you guys at SDN are awesome. You've already provided me with more help/insight than I was given from my Pre-Health advisor(s) from UG school.
 
He said he's graduated. A full degree is what, usually 120 credits minimum? He'd need an entire second degree with a perfect 4.00 just go come to like 3.4
I guess what I was aiming at was if they did a 60 credit PB at a 4.0 it could show sustained excellence in classes, cheaper than SMP if in state, less risky. They have a superb MCAT, they just need to show A's in classes.
 
I guess what I was aiming at was if they did a 60 credit PB at a 4.0 it could show sustained excellence in classes, cheaper than SMP if in state, less risky. They have the MCAT, they just need to show A's in classes.
A ~3.2 will still cause an ORM a lot of issues imo, even with a big upward trend and strong MCAT. Plus 60 credits means 2 years of full time post-bacc + the application year, whereas SMP will be just the one year. If OP has no way to fund the SMP then I think post-bacc is the next best option, but considering the SMP can guarantee a med seat after one year, that's what I think makes the most sense.
 
I guess I would be considered white. My parents are both Iranian but I was born and raised in the US. Could you please link me me to his forum? I'm just clueless as to what the differences are between a traditional post-bacc, DIY post-bacc and SMP. I'm also in a bit of turmoil financially so I want to take the most affordable route. Thank you for the punctual response. You guys/gals at SDN are awesome!
Nontraditional Students

Do a search for DrMidlife
 
A ~3.2 will still cause an ORM a lot of issues imo, even with a big upward trend and strong MCAT. Plus 60 credits means 2 years of full time post-bacc + the application year, whereas SMP will be just the one year. If OP has no way to fund the SMP then I think post-bacc is the next best option, but considering the SMP can guarantee a med seat after one year, that's what I think makes the most sense.
OP could do 15 Spring- 6- Summer- 15 Fall- 6 Winter 8-spring then apply that coming may. Anyways yeah 3.2~ might be troublesome but I figured the consistency + super MCAT would help.
I'm not aware of any MD SMPs that guarantee a seat, I heard of interviews guaranteed though. I think I heard of some DO's that guarantee seats. Someone can educate me on this though.
 
OP could do 15 Spring- 6- Summer- 15 Fall- 6 Winter 8-spring then apply that coming may. Anyways yeah 3.2~ might be troublesome but I figured the consistency + super MCAT would help.
I'm not aware of any MD SMPs that guarantee a seat, I heard of interviews guaranteed though. I think I heard of some DO's that guarantee seats. Someone can educate me on this though.
I think you might be right about not officially guaranteeing a seat actually, I might have been thinking of BS/MD, rather its something like the SMP is a good one if they consistently matriculate a large number of their own into the med school. Like, unofficially they do consistently take all their best SMPers.

Edit: Oh the other key thing is, iirc, the good SMPs will involve you taking classes along side the med students. That's why performing very well = their med school will want you. Other (crappy) SMPs out there will essentially just be a master's program with a courtesy interview tacked on the end of it.
 
After googling around for a little bit, I think the above is correct. For example from Georgetown, one of the well-known high quality ones where you take classes with the med students (emphasis mine):

14. Does participation in the SMP guarantee admission to Georgetown University School of Medicine?
Participation in the SMP does not guarantee admission to Georgetown University School of Medicine, or any other medical school for that matter. Although there is no formal agreement between our program and the medical school, historically, about 15% of SMP students have been accepted to Georgetown each year.


This is the kind of thing that is perfect for people like OP, in my opinion. Grades too abysmal for post-bacc to be very effective, but with a phenomenal MCAT that would predict doing quite well in the SMP.
 
After googling around for a little bit, I think the above is correct. For example from Georgetown, one of the well-known high quality ones where you take classes with the med students (emphasis mine):

14. Does participation in the SMP guarantee admission to Georgetown University School of Medicine?
Participation in the SMP does not guarantee admission to Georgetown University School of Medicine, or any other medical school for that matter. Although there is no formal agreement between our program and the medical school, historically, about 15% of SMP students have been accepted to Georgetown each year.


This is the kind of thing that is perfect for people like OP, in my opinion. Grades too abysmal for post-bacc to be very effective, but with a phenomenal MCAT that would predict doing quite well in the SMP.
Yeah I like the chances of OP doing well in the SMP.
 
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