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Hey, friends! I hope this cycle is treating everyone nicely. I have gotten a few rejections and I believe they’re due to my low vet-supervised experience - listed below.

Veterinary Experience:
  1. 100 hours as a kennel tech supervised directly by a vet (was about 20 years ago so probably doesn’t count)
  2. 36 hours shadowing a low-income clinic vet (grows every month and only on Saturdays)
Animal Experience:
  1. 1600 hours as a farm hand for cattle, goats, chickens, sheep, and horses
  2. a billion years as a pet owner (including special needs/disabled pets - I know this doesn't count, but thought I'd mention it anyway)
  3. 100 hours as a pet sitter
  4. 200 hours and counting as a volunteer for a special needs animal rescue helping with transports
My issue is: I work 2 full time jobs and can’t reasonably or responsibly take a pay cut in this economy to work in a clinic for experience for 1/3 (maybe even 1/4) of the pay. The one ER clinic here has ghosted me several times for their night shifts. I’ve also tried multiple times to be hired for Saturday shifts at clinics that are open since literally no clinic around here does shadowing. I feel a little stuck at this point on what my next steps should be.

My mom has suggested driving outside of town to smaller towns but again, that’d only be Saturdays if they were open. I am hoping someone has some unorthodox advice or things I haven’t thought up to boost my hours for next cycle!

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The lack of hours is almost certainly an issue, especially if half were two decades ago. Those still count, but it’s a very different world in vet med now than it was in the early 2000s. If you can’t or won’t find a more full-time role, then you may just need to wait a few years to reapply while you slowly accumulate hours and try again. I totally get not being able to leave a current job because of finances and that’s very valid, but you absolutely need several hundred hours to thousands of vet experience to be competitive and show an admissions committee you have experienced the field and realize what you’re signing up for.

Keep knocking on those doors and reach out to people who may know someone…most of my experiences back in the day were through connections with people (husband of an undergrad mentor was a vet and needed a lab tech, my mom worked with a guy who’s daughter was married to a mixed animal vet and they helped open that door, etc.)
 
The lack of hours is almost certainly an issue, especially if half were two decades ago. Those still count, but it’s a very different world in vet med now than it was in the early 2000s. If you can’t or won’t find a more full-time role, then you may just need to wait a few years to reapply while you slowly accumulate hours and try again. I totally get not being able to leave a current job because of finances and that’s very valid, but you absolutely need several hundred hours to thousands of vet experience to be competitive and show an admissions committee you have experienced the field and realize what you’re signing up for.

Keep knocking on those doors and reach out to people who may know someone…most of my experiences back in the day were through connections with people (husband of an undergrad mentor was a vet and needed a lab tech, my mom worked with a guy who’s daughter was married to a mixed animal vet and they helped open that door, etc.)
Thank you! And yeah, I have continuously emailed and visited the clinics here so hopefully I wear them down 😂
 
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Hi! Sorry to hear about the rejections you’ve gotten—I’m in the same boat so far!
I’ve known I wanted to go for vet school since about 2017, and for some reason I’m finding it much harder to find vets willing to take a shadow in the past few years than I did at first. I don’t know why that is, but it’s definitely frustrating and I’m sorry it’s giving you trouble. Don’t give up on looking! Vet-supervised experience is a super important part of an application. I do think that reaching out to vets in smaller towns around you is a good idea—even if you have to drive a bit, it would be worth it to get a veterinarian who’s open to having a shadow.
Are you looking for any specific specialization to gain experience in or are you asking any vet you can find? Given you have so few hours right now, I wouldn’t worry about it if, for example, all you can find to shadow is an equine vet but want to do small animal yourself, for example. A veterinarian is a veterinarian and since you’re between a rock and a hard place with your schedule, definitely cast as wide a net as you can! It doesn’t hurt to keep calling the ones that ghost you, either; they’ll either finally just tell you no or they’ll eventually have an opening. Every vet has been in your shoes, so they know you have to ask.
Beyond continuing the search, I do have a few ideas to help your application offset having less experience than some applicants. Keep in mind I can’t read admissions committee’s minds any better than the next person, but these are my thoughts:
Not having a lot of hours, especially recent ones (again, not that the ones from years ago don’t count; they matter and you should definitely always mention them whenever you list your experiences) might make admissions nervous that you aren’t very serious about vet med or that you are coming into it without enough knowledge of what it really entails day-to-day. So, you’d want the rest of your application to show them that isn’t the case.
First, I think you should use the “why do you want to be a veterinarian” VMCAS essay question to talk mainly about why you are serious about vet med and what you do know about the daily demands of being a veterinarian, as well as why you feel qualified to meet those demands. This might include talking about problems you’ve seen veterinarians face and how they resolved them, or explaining why a vet you worked with/shadowed is good at their job and exactly how you plan to emulate their good qualities.
Second, be sure to show your non-vet-med experiences. Not only will listing everything you’ve done, when, and how much time it took up help admissions understand why there wasn’t as much room for shadowing, but the skills you use in vet med can be honed in other professions. Customer service experience is very relevant (we do have human customers, after all), anything that requires organization, time management, and cleanliness translates to working in a clinic, and any experience you might have in human medicine (even a CPR class or similar) contributes to showing admissions that you’re a well-rounded person who can build on your life experiences to become a good veterinarian.
Finally, if you do need another cycle to get admitted, be mindful of how each school considers applicants. Not all of them have minimum experience requirements anymore, but be sure to check and make sure you don’t apply to any whose requirement you don’t meet (sounds obvious, but I mistakenly applied to several this year without realizing I was missing a pre-requisite, and now I have to take it this spring. Oops, but at least it’s fixable. Not meeting the experience requirement won’t be fixable mid-cycle). If you’re unsure about a particular school, by all means call their admissions office before the application cycle starts and just ask them how your level of vet-supervised experience might affect your compatibility with their program. It’s important, but it’s still only one factor on an extensive application, and every school is going to place a different value on it.
Also, some schools offer file reviews to rejected students after the cycle ends, so you may be able to find out this spring exactly how your hours affected your eligibility and what else admissions would like to see you improve for next time.
Best of luck with your search!
 
Hi! Sorry to hear about the rejections you’ve gotten—I’m in the same boat so far!
I’ve known I wanted to go for vet school since about 2017, and for some reason I’m finding it much harder to find vets willing to take a shadow in the past few years than I did at first. I don’t know why that is, but it’s definitely frustrating and I’m sorry it’s giving you trouble. Don’t give up on looking! Vet-supervised experience is a super important part of an application. I do think that reaching out to vets in smaller towns around you is a good idea—even if you have to drive a bit, it would be worth it to get a veterinarian who’s open to having a shadow.
Are you looking for any specific specialization to gain experience in or are you asking any vet you can find? Given you have so few hours right now, I wouldn’t worry about it if, for example, all you can find to shadow is an equine vet but want to do small animal yourself, for example. A veterinarian is a veterinarian and since you’re between a rock and a hard place with your schedule, definitely cast as wide a net as you can! It doesn’t hurt to keep calling the ones that ghost you, either; they’ll either finally just tell you no or they’ll eventually have an opening. Every vet has been in your shoes, so they know you have to ask.
Beyond continuing the search, I do have a few ideas to help your application offset having less experience than some applicants. Keep in mind I can’t read admissions committee’s minds any better than the next person, but these are my thoughts:
Not having a lot of hours, especially recent ones (again, not that the ones from years ago don’t count; they matter and you should definitely always mention them whenever you list your experiences) might make admissions nervous that you aren’t very serious about vet med or that you are coming into it without enough knowledge of what it really entails day-to-day. So, you’d want the rest of your application to show them that isn’t the case.
First, I think you should use the “why do you want to be a veterinarian” VMCAS essay question to talk mainly about why you are serious about vet med and what you do know about the daily demands of being a veterinarian, as well as why you feel qualified to meet those demands. This might include talking about problems you’ve seen veterinarians face and how they resolved them, or explaining why a vet you worked with/shadowed is good at their job and exactly how you plan to emulate their good qualities.
Second, be sure to show your non-vet-med experiences. Not only will listing everything you’ve done, when, and how much time it took up help admissions understand why there wasn’t as much room for shadowing, but the skills you use in vet med can be honed in other professions. Customer service experience is very relevant (we do have human customers, after all), anything that requires organization, time management, and cleanliness translates to working in a clinic, and any experience you might have in human medicine (even a CPR class or similar) contributes to showing admissions that you’re a well-rounded person who can build on your life experiences to become a good veterinarian.
Finally, if you do need another cycle to get admitted, be mindful of how each school considers applicants. Not all of them have minimum experience requirements anymore, but be sure to check and make sure you don’t apply to any whose requirement you don’t meet (sounds obvious, but I mistakenly applied to several this year without realizing I was missing a pre-requisite, and now I have to take it this spring. Oops, but at least it’s fixable. Not meeting the experience requirement won’t be fixable mid-cycle). If you’re unsure about a particular school, by all means call their admissions office before the application cycle starts and just ask them how your level of vet-supervised experience might affect your compatibility with their program. It’s important, but it’s still only one factor on an extensive application, and every school is going to place a different value on it.
Also, some schools offer file reviews to rejected students after the cycle ends, so you may be able to find out this spring exactly how your hours affected your eligibility and what else admissions would like to see you improve for next time.
Best of luck with your search!
Thank you so much! This is helpful! I’m taking literally any experience I can get at this point and not being picky since I already have decent experience with livestock and equine.

I did talk about this and why I haven’t been able to shadow much in my essays but I’m guessing I was ran through a filter for hours and my essays weren’t really taken into consideration. I also included my experience in human medical and customer service, as well as my Fear Free cert and CPR classes! I felt like I was decently well-rounded with the exception of vet-supervised experience, and none of the rejections came from schools with minimum hours required so I will definitely be doing their review! Good luck to you!
 
Hi!! Thank you! What is this? Is it like a relief vet?
Large animal Ambulatory service - not relief

It’s unfortunate but without the necessary hours schools can’t trust that you know what you are getting yourself into by going to veterinary school. They are necessary for your application to be successful. Especially since you may get more hours and be like hm maybe this isn’t for me. (Not saying you’d do that but that’s what the schools could think) I suggest taking a few years to get a few hundred hours in varied vet experiences (small animal, equine, large animal, exotics, shelter , etc..) as I feel it will probably add to your application and help define why you really want to be a vet!
 
Large animal ambulatory vets! Meaning they don't work out of a hospital/clinic - they travel to clients
Got ya! There’s not many (if any) in my area and everyone seems to operate out of their clinic, which is unfortunate.
 
Large animal Ambulatory service - not relief

It’s unfortunate but without the necessary hours schools can’t trust that you know what you are getting yourself into by going to veterinary school. They are necessary for your application to be successful. Especially since you may get more hours and be like hm maybe this isn’t for me. (Not saying you’d do that but that’s what the schools could think) I suggest taking a few years to get a few hundred hours in varied vet experiences (small animal, equine, large animal, exotics, shelter , etc..) as I feel it will probably add to your application and help define why you really want to be a vet!
Yeah, I understand that and would feel different if I weren’t 33 but I am positive this is what I want to do! I do work closely with my own vet as far as clinic procedures and care and have helped with my own pets procedures, etc., but I’ve had admissions teams tell me since it’s my own pet, it can’t count. I will just keep trying to shadow!
 
Yeah, I understand that and would feel different if I weren’t 33 but I am positive this is what I want to do! I do work closely with my own vet as far as clinic procedures and care and have helped with my own pets procedures, etc., but I’ve had admissions teams tell me since it’s my own pet, it can’t count. I will just keep trying to shadow!
Look up equine/mobile vets in your area if a search for LA ambulatory doesn't turn up. Mobile surgeons are also a thing, so are some other mobile veterinary services since COVID although some have gone back to traditional clinic work.
 
Yeah, I understand that and would feel different if I weren’t 33 but I am positive this is what I want to do! I do work closely with my own vet as far as clinic procedures and care and have helped with my own pets procedures, etc., but I’ve had admissions teams tell me since it’s my own pet, it can’t count. I will just keep trying to shadow!
What are your GPA stats looking like? If you have stats on the higher end some schools might disregard vet hours TO AN EXTENT but youd still need to accumulate a few hundred. I totally understand the job thing and not being able to sacrifice for lower pay but on the other end what are you going to do when you are in school and can’t (more like shouldnt) have a job at all. (I’m just being devils advocate here I truly do want you to succeed. I just wish people posed these questions to me before I started the process). I recommend seeing if you have any emergency vets in your area bc in my experience they’re always looking for help. I know there are VEG locations all over the US. And going off of you saying you helped your vet with your animal- can you ask that vet if you can help with other animals? On a shadowing basis?
 
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I recommend seeing if you have any emergency vets in your area bc in my experience they’re always looking for help. I know there are VEG locations all over the US.
*Respectfully laughs in rural.* I’m not the OP and I have no idea where they live, but I googled, and the closest VEG is 5h30m (345 miles) away from me. The closest 24 hour hospital is 2h15m (142 miles) from where I live. So it’s definitely not always that simple.
 
Yeah, I understand that and would feel different if I weren’t 33 but I am positive this is what I want to do! I do work closely with my own vet as far as clinic procedures and care and have helped with my own pets procedures, etc., but I’ve had admissions teams tell me since it’s my own pet, it can’t count. I will just keep trying to shadow!
Have you asked your vet if you can shadow there?
 
*Respectfully laughs in rural.* I’m not the OP and I have no idea where they live, but I googled, and the closest VEG is 5h30m (345 miles) away from me. The closest 24 hour hospital is 2h15m (142 miles) from where I live. So it’s definitely not always that simple.
Definitely didn’t think it was that simple, just a suggestion to add to the many others in the thread, as OP was looking for experience suggestions. VEG itself was just a specific example of a company that has “many” locations.
 
*Respectfully laughs in rural.* I’m not the OP and I have no idea where they live, but I googled, and the closest VEG is 5h30m (345 miles) away from me. The closest 24 hour hospital is 2h15m (142 miles) from where I live. So it’s definitely not always that simple.
Feel you. My closest is six hours 🫠
 
What are your GPA stats looking like? If you have stats on the higher end some schools might disregard vet hours TO AN EXTENT but youd still need to accumulate a few hundred. I totally understand the job thing and not being able to sacrifice for lower pay but on the other end what are you going to do when you are in school and can’t (more like shouldnt) have a job at all. (I’m just being devils advocate here I truly do want you to succeed. I just wish people posed these questions to me before I started the process). I recommend seeing if you have any emergency vets in your area bc in my experience they’re always looking for help. I know there are VEG locations all over the US. And going off of you saying you helped your vet with your animal- can you ask that vet if you can help with other animals? On a shadowing basis?
Survive on loans 😂🫠

It doesn’t make financial sense right now for me to take an 80% pay cut for an assistant job only to potentially start vet school with a ton of debt from trying to get hours. I’m not trying to be difficult but it’s just not as simple as quitting and getting hired at a clinic (none are hiring anyway and haven’t been for the past year).

I’ve ran every scenario of financial and budget things and it never makes sense. One person on a different forum suggested I should move to a different area, it just baffles me that people can afford to quit/uproot their lives for a vet assistant position. I guess that’s on me for being an older student but I dunno. Just super frustrating that quitting keeps being suggested (not by you but others, no offense)

GPA is fairly high - last 45 is 3.9 and math/science a 3.8 (4.0 in science, math murdered me). I am planning on bugging the life out of the ER clinic here once I get my last few rejections (I know they’re coming) so hopefully they give.
 
Survive on loans 😂🫠

It doesn’t make financial sense right now for me to take an 80% pay cut for an assistant job only to potentially start vet school with a ton of debt from trying to get hours. I’m not trying to be difficult but it’s just not as simple as quitting and getting hired at a clinic (none are hiring anyway and haven’t been for the past year).

I’ve ran every scenario of financial and budget things and it never makes sense. One person on a different forum suggested I should move to a different area, it just baffles me that people can afford to quit/uproot their lives for a vet assistant position. I guess that’s on me for being an older student but I dunno. Just super frustrating that quitting keeps being suggested (not by you but others, no offense)

GPA is fairly high - last 45 is 3.9 and math/science a 3.8 (4.0 in science, math murdered me). I am planning on bugging the life out of the ER clinic here once I get my last few rejections (I know they’re coming) so hopefully they give.
You seem to have really impressive stats! I truly hope you can get the hours needed to boost up ur application to its fullest potential. And hey, you never know what could happen with the remaining schools you’re going to hear from. I got the bulk of my large animal experience from legit emailing/calling my local LA practice like a crazy person until they let me ride along with them. Be persistent and you’ve got this!
 
You seem to have really impressive stats! I truly hope you can get the hours needed to boost up ur application to its fullest potential. And hey, you never know what could happen with the remaining schools you’re going to hear from. I got the bulk of my large animal experience from legit emailing/calling my local LA practice like a crazy person until they let me ride along with them. Be persistent and you’ve got this!
Thanks! I have a lead on a ranch about 2 hours away from here for some mobile vet calls! Maybe I'll just show up at vet clinics and beg until they take me LOL
 
Survive on loans 😂🫠

It doesn’t make financial sense right now for me to take an 80% pay cut for an assistant job only to potentially start vet school with a ton of debt from trying to get hours. I’m not trying to be difficult but it’s just not as simple as quitting and getting hired at a clinic (none are hiring anyway and haven’t been for the past year).

I’ve ran every scenario of financial and budget things and it never makes sense. One person on a different forum suggested I should move to a different area, it just baffles me that people can afford to quit/uproot their lives for a vet assistant position. I guess that’s on me for being an older student but I dunno. Just super frustrating that quitting keeps being suggested (not by you but others, no offense)

GPA is fairly high - last 45 is 3.9 and math/science a 3.8 (4.0 in science, math murdered me). I am planning on bugging the life out of the ER clinic here once I get my last few rejections (I know they’re coming) so hopefully they give.
Overall, I'm glad you're already thinking this way, because it isn't smart to become an assistant for the sake of becoming a veterinarian.

But that leads me to the sidebar that it is entirely possible that the ROI for becoming a veterinarian at all will tank in the next 10 years as it becomes more and more likely we will have a surplus of doctors by that point; and likely a tech/assistant shortage that's even worse.

While I won't try to dissuade you from becoming a vet, I will completely state you should not burn any bridges if you can help it. Don't leave a job in another industry at this point. I second Jayna's suggestion of waiting a few cycles to get the hours you need. By then we'll have a better idea of what the profession will look like and whether or not it's worth it for people to apply.
 
Overall, I'm glad you're already thinking this way, because it isn't smart to become an assistant for the sake of becoming a veterinarian.

But that leads me to the sidebar that it is entirely possible that the ROI for becoming a veterinarian at all will tank in the next 10 years as it becomes more and more likely we will have a surplus of doctors by that point; and likely a tech/assistant shortage that's even worse.

While I won't try to dissuade you from becoming a vet, I will completely state you should not burn any bridges if you can help it. Don't leave a job in another industry at this point. I second Jayna's suggestion of waiting a few cycles to get the hours you need. By then we'll have a better idea of what the profession will look like and whether or not it's worth it for people to apply.
Thank you! I already am entirely comfortable in my career right now so it’s not a problem for me to wait. I got an interview at KSU though!
 
Congratulations on your interview! Would recommend seeing if you can come shadow for one day as opposed to initially asking for a long commitment. Then if it goes well can ask to come back another time. Can also consider other roles within vet med—ie reception, liaison, which can be a way to get great client experience even if it’s less hands on animal based.
 
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