Advice Please! UCSD or UCSF???

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Hi Everyone! I am having trouble deciding which school to attend...I know that the decision I make will be a no-lose situation, but I am still having trouble. I live in OC (with my family), so SD is closer (and has the beaches near). But, the students don't seem to be happy with the curriculum there. On the other hand, UCSF is further (my uncle and cousin live in SF, though) but the students seem to be more fullfilled with the curriculum there. Not to mention it's ranking!
I know that both of the schools are awesome (which is why this decision is so difficult!) Also, If you are a current student at either school, leave your opinion about how fullfilled you are with the school itself. Please Help! 😳
 
Did you go to the Welcome Back/2nd Look Weekend? To me, SD was pretty chill and my old folks are from OC too; so that's where I am leaning towards. The only downside to SD is that there isn't one major hospital like UCLA or SF but is spread out (Hillcrest, VA, Thornton).
 
I feel very fulfilled. Come to UCSF.
 
dongfungpubai said:
Did you go to the Welcome Back/2nd Look Weekend? To me, SD was pretty chill and my old folks are from OC too; so that's where I am leaning towards. The only downside to SD is that there isn't one major hospital like UCLA or SF but is spread out (Hillcrest, VA, Thornton).

I did go to the welcome back weekend. I had just found out about my acceptance to SF the day before the welcome back, so I am just beginning to do more research into both the schools (mostly with each schools curriculum and student fullfillment). Are you deciding between any schools?
 
ucsd is building a consolidated hospital on the east campus (adjacent to the undergrad campus), but it likely will not be complete for a bit to come. what sort of concerns about the curriculum are you speaking of?
 
Are you serious?

UCSD = 8hr lec/day
UCSF = 3 hr lec/day

case closed.
 
This is a real no brainer unless you have some strong attachment to SD. I don't know too many people who would choose SD over SF--every doctor and prof I've talked to categorizes UCSF in a different league versus SD.
 
Frizzled said:
Are you serious?

UCSD = 8hr lec/day
UCSF = 3 hr lec/day

case closed.

I heard from many UCSD students that many don't go to lectures.
Only few are required. So, what's the real difference here?
 
Frizzled said:
Are you serious?

UCSD = 8hr lec/day
UCSF = 3 hr lec/day

case closed.

Though the OP is likely better off at UCSF than UCSD, the UCSD-8-Hour-Lecture myth needs debunking.

(I am only familiar with the 1st Year schedule. I would guess the 2nd Year is not radically different.)

Actual lecture, where students sit and listen to new material, averages around 3-4 hours per day. Some days there are only 2. Days exceeding 4 are rare.

It is true that Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays are often 7-hour days. The remainder of the time is spent on activities that enhance learning of the lecture material. Labs (where little unique material is introduced), PBL sessions (where research outside lecture material is generally not necessary), "conferences" (where small problem sets are gone over), and review sessions take up this time.

There may be more time spent at school, but much of the difference is the kind of thing that helps internalize information and reduce studying outside of school. I'm sure that some people would be better served by a school that gives you more free time. Diligent studying can be more time-effective. For others UCSD's structure may be beneficial.
 
MrTee said:
This is a real no brainer unless you have some strong attachment to SD. I don't know too many people who would choose SD over SF--every doctor and prof I've talked to categorizes UCSF in a different league versus SD.


Amen to that. Although SD is sooo beautiful and inviting, I heard about some unhappy people at UCSD too. I would take UCSF any time...
 
apparently the people at ucsf feel better putting others down. big whoop dee do, sit on it and spin.
 
Doctobee said:
Amen to that. Although SD is sooo beautiful and inviting, I heard about some unhappy people at UCSD too. I would take UCSF any time...

I would not be surprised to find life at UCSD be much less stressful and pleasing than most other places due to so much rumors and hearsay beliefs about it being the most stressful school in the nation. Besides, it undoubtedly has the best environment among all med schools in the nation.

If I were you, i would choose for price and location not for nebulous ranking (by the way the ranking difference between the two are not far enough to make a big deal). Wherever you go, get good grades and high board scores and you are set for residency of your dream.

Anyway, what's the school that orthopedic surgeon in CA who got some billion dollars from patent court fight went? I read it but never heard of it so I quickly forgot. But one UCLA doc was reported saying up to 80% of procedure methods are developed by him!
 
From second hand sources I have heard that the students at UCSF are really happy there ...

plust the fact that SF is a very fun city to be in, especially for young people. Might as well be there now, then practice or retire in SD later (SD is probably a better place to raise a family anyway)
 
Just assuming that the rumors are true about the med students at UCSD, could anyone here comment about whether that translates into unhappy residents? And, are the med students as unhappy in the clinic as they are in the pre-clinical curriculum? Thanks 🙂
 
A friend of mine who is a second year at UCSD told me they have class on Saturdays. 😱
 
http://meded.ucsd.edu/osa/resources/block_schd.html

Is the UCSD student schedule.

Besides 3 saturday sessions first quarter first year, which are basically patient interviews that take 1-2 hours, UCSD weekends are as free as at any other med school.

Last year because of the San Diego fires there was a special case where the school was shut down for several days and I think they did have to make that up on Saturdays. I don't think there are many other ways to handle such a unique scenario.

If UCSD had Saturday classes, who would go there? Really.
 
Saved Satan said:
I would not be surprised to find life at UCSD be much less stressful and pleasing than most other places due to so much rumors and hearsay beliefs about it being the most stressful school in the nation. Besides, it undoubtedly has the best environment among all med schools in the nation.

If I were you, i would choose for price and location not for nebulous ranking (by the way the ranking difference between the two are not far enough to make a big deal). Wherever you go, get good grades and high board scores and you are set for residency of your dream.

Anyway, what's the school that orthopedic surgeon in CA who got some billion dollars from patent court fight went? I read it but never heard of it so I quickly forgot. But one UCLA doc was reported saying up to 80% of procedure methods are developed by him!


I think he graduated from one of the schools that "founded" the school I I am interested in. (the Dr went to Hanneman SOM - but is now Drexel)
And just for the record, I don't believe in (published) "rankings". I'm all for going to where it feels right for you!

So, to the person that is wondering about where to go to (UCSF or UCSD), just go to where you would fit in better and feel more at home..
 
Saved Satan said:
I would not be surprised to find life at UCSD be much less stressful and pleasing than most other places due to so much rumors and hearsay beliefs about it being the most stressful school in the nation. Besides, it undoubtedly has the best environment among all med schools in the nation.

If I were you, i would choose for price and location not for nebulous ranking (by the way the ranking difference between the two are not far enough to make a big deal). Wherever you go, get good grades and high board scores and you are set for residency of your dream.

Anyway, what's the school that orthopedic surgeon in CA who got some billion dollars from patent court fight went? I read it but never heard of it so I quickly forgot. But one UCLA doc was reported saying up to 80% of procedure methods are developed by him!

Oh, and what I meant to say is: I interact with people that go to USCF - and they love it. They say it's really non-competitive and a really great atmosphere to learn in. On the other hand, I heard that UCSD (used to be my top three choice school) students are stressing about making good grades and doing research (even if they don't wanna do reasearch) just because their proffs think they should do research. Again, these are the things I keep hearing from UCSD students (but I dont' interact with them as much as with UCSF).

Just my 2 cents worth...

In either case, good luck in deciding. That would be one hard decision to make.
 
lord_jeebus said:
Actual lecture, where students sit and listen to new material, averages around 3-4 hours per day. Some days there are only 2. Days exceeding 4 are rare.

Notice the qualifyer here??? 32-36 hours of total schedualed time at UCSD is different than the 16-20 schedualed time at UCSF. It's a no brainer.
 
I'm a current 4th yr med student at UCSD, so I will provide my short on the SOM.
First off, congrats on being accepted to these schools, you should feel proud of this accomplishment. The fact that you were offered a spot at both of these schools suggests that you'd probably excel at any of them. So take a deep breath, close your eyes and whatever jumps out at you, go with it...Not really. The pro's about SD: weather, beaches, weather, outdoor activities, and more beautiful weather. In addition, I think that the school offers a rather "old-school" curriculum. Yes, there are a lot of hours of lecture and class time scheduled, which means are available to you if your learning is strengthened by this modality. I for one, could probably count the number of times that I attended lectures, and this is pretty common. You should know however, that the faculty are not happy about students not showing up for their lectures.
Some factors to consider at any school include the curriculum, but to tell the truth I don't think that the curriculum is the most important. UCSD students do very well on board exams, but this could be simply due to the fact that the students accepted to this school are good test takers. Hence, although UCLA, UCSD and UCSF all have distinct curricula, students at each school tend to do well on their boards. Instead, I recommend that you pay attention to other factors such as the time alloted to all their students to study for the boards, faculty support when the time comes for letters of recommendation, deadlines to complete research, and other requirements for graduation. Since I only know about UCSD, I'll mention some things that you may face here, if they are not changed.
1st year: honors/pass/fail. bunch of basic science courses with exams probably not too different from those administered at other schools
2nd year: honors/pass/fail. micro and path 2 quarters, anatomy in one quarter, some free time to study for boards. You will have 1-2.5 weeks after completing 2nd year to study for the Step I; this is in addition to the Mondays off during the Winter and Spring quarters.
3rd year: honors/ near honors/ pass/ fail. clinicals, probably very similar to other places. Kissing booty, and of course knowing your stuff helps, is almost required to earn honors. Rotations are done at UCSD in Hillcrest, VA in La Jolla, Thornton in La Jolla, Scripps-Mercy in Hillcrest or Navy in Balboa. I actually think that the clinical exposure during this year as well as the teaching is awesome. You will feel very well prepared for this level of your training in medicine.
4th year: 3 one month clerkships must be done at UCSD or affiliated hospitals listed above. The rest of the 9 months could be completed anywhere. You get three months total of vacation, 2 months to complete your research requirement, the rest of the time is spent completing more clinical requirements or sub-I's.

Things I'd like to see change at UCSD: 1. earlier clinical exposure, at least to the different fields and faculty to get started early with building rapport with the faculty and to learn about the different specialties in medicine. 2. More time to study for boards 3. PBL during the pre-clinical years (has already been started) 4. Better faculty support for residency app's; this is where I think UCSD is the weakest, and this is something you should all pay attention to 5. get rid of the deadline to complete step 2 clinical knowledge and clinical skills exams (this only adds more stress when you're trying to line up your externships, getting letters of rec, applying to residencies, etc)

Overall, I think UCSD offers strong training but still has some wrinkles to iron out. It is true that there are many of us who are not in complete agreement with the way the school operates, and wish some things were different. However, there are several students here that are very happy. I, for one, was pretty happy to leave UCSD and am extremely excited to try a different way of things. Ultimately, I recommned that you ask as many people for their advice especially current med students, re-visit the schools and go with your gut feeling. You will succeed at any program that you choose, but your level of happiness may be higher at one place over the other depending on what you value more.
I hope that this message helps some of you and best of luck with medical school. Welcome to the profession!
 
As another UCSD student Id like to put in my 2 cents. When I was deciding on UCSD this forum really gave me a lot of apprehension about the school. My impression from posts (not by actually UCSD students) was that the school is competitive, stressful and a generally miserable time. All of this turned out to be complete crap. People spreading these rumors do not go to school and I cannot understand why they feel the need to continue them. I have had a great time at UCSD. I feel like Im getting a great prep for 3rd year and the boards. I work in the free clinic and get to have my own patients already and I get to ride my bike up and the coast whenever I want.

As for the original post, dont stress the decision. Both schools will be fun it’s just a matter of preference.

One last aside, from what I understand in CA a med school must have a minimum number of hours of class a week to be accredited. Im not sure how UCSF could have significantly less class time than UCSD. Im curious if anybody from UCSF would like estimate the number of class hours they have a week.
 
GO TO UCSF. You'll still only be an hour away from home (by air) as opposed to an hour's drive from SD and you'll be going to a more highly-esteemed school. SF is in a tier above SD; it's like the Harvard or Hopkins of the West.
 
My first year at UCSD, I really was a strong champion of the program. But, the longer I've been here, the more I have realized that it is not a good environment. The administration (with a few exceptions) really does not support students and in some cases actively works against them.

I think anywhere you go will be stressful- there is so much to learn, never enough time to do it, and many things that could be improved. Despite this, I would NOT choice UCSD again. 👎
 
UCSF just won the bid for stem cell science headquarters. HUGE amounts of money will be rolling into UCSF research. It's now a very easy choice for you- go to UCSF
 
ucsdmd2007 said:
My first year at UCSD, I really was a strong champion of the program. But, the longer I've been here, the more I have realized that it is not a good environment. The administration (with a few exceptions) really does not support students and in some cases actively works against them.

I think anywhere you go will be stressful- there is so much to learn, never enough time to do it, and many things that could be improved. Despite this, I would NOT choice UCSD again. 👎

this from somebody who has 7 posts 🙄

UCSF did NOT win the stem cell headquarters, the city of SF did. You're kinda discounting Berkeley and Stanford as players in the N vs S decision... But yes, admittedly, losing the HQ to San Francisco is a disappointment and loss of significant investment in biomedical research for San Diego (and UCSD).
 
lord_jeebus said:
Though the OP is likely better off at UCSF than UCSD, the UCSD-8-Hour-Lecture myth needs debunking.

(I am only familiar with the 1st Year schedule. I would guess the 2nd Year is not radically different.)

Actual lecture, where students sit and listen to new material, averages around 3-4 hours per day. Some days there are only 2. Days exceeding 4 are rare.

It is true that Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays are often 7-hour days. The remainder of the time is spent on activities that enhance learning of the lecture material. Labs (where little unique material is introduced), PBL sessions (where research outside lecture material is generally not necessary), "conferences" (where small problem sets are gone over), and review sessions take up this time.

There may be more time spent at school, but much of the difference is the kind of thing that helps internalize information and reduce studying outside of school. I'm sure that some people would be better served by a school that gives you more free time. Diligent studying can be more time-effective. For others UCSD's structure may be beneficial.
What's OP? 😕
 
The following is, of course, an opinion:

Go to UCSF. Hands down. I went to Stanford for undergrad, and although I did not wish to remain on the west coast for medical school, it would have been hard for me to turn UCSF down if that were not an issue. It has tons of research opportunities, their residency departments are phenomenal for making connections, and the match list for the school is basically second to none.

Go to UCSF.

-Ice
 
Thank you so much for everyones advice. You have all helped me out a great deal. I just went to the Welcome back weekend, and it really seems like UCSF will be the one. You can all leave more feedback if you have more advice! I really appreciate all your help! 🙂
 
sdnstud said:
UCSF just won the bid for stem cell science headquarters. HUGE amounts of money will be rolling into UCSF research. It's now a very easy choice for you- go to UCSF

I love UCSF and San Francisco in general but this isn't true. To my dismay and probably yours, the new California Institute of Regenerative Medicine (CIRM) is located in Mission Bay 15 minutes from the UCSF campus but they actually have no conjunction with one another. The $3 billion earmarked for CIRM will probably not go through UCSF. Sure it might mean some research opportunities for UCSF students but that's the extent of that 🙁 Congratulations on your choice with UCSF.
 
Newquagmire said:
this from somebody who has 7 posts 🙄

Yes, seven posts- but that doesn't mean that my experiences are less valuable than yours. If you have questions about my perspective, or you would like more specific information, then you can PM me. But being rude doesn't really add to the discussion, does it?
 
ucsdmd2007 said:
Newquagmire said:
this from somebody who has 7 posts 🙄

Yes, seven posts- but that doesn't mean that my experiences are less valuable than yours.

Did I imply that your experience was "less valuable?" I am only questioning your identity and your motives.

Congrats mimi52.
 
Newquagmire said:
Did I imply that your experience was "less valuable?" I am only questioning your identity and your motives.

Well, he's (she's?) been posting since 2003. I don't think someone planted a fake UCSD student two years ago just to say some discouraging things about UCSD now.

It would be helpful for posters and lurkers alike if he/she shared some examples however.
 
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