Age As Admission Factor

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I will be 40 years old by the time I enter DO school, provided I get accepted. Assuming a good GPA (>3.8 for both undergrad and grad) and a decent MCAT (yet to be taken), is age a big factor for acceptance to DO school (or MD school, for that matter)? Does anyone have any older students in their present class?
 
I can speak for my class at UNECOM--there are at least 6 people in their mid-to upper 30s (maybe low 40s) and one in the 50s.

My understanding is that the average age of all students is a little older in DO than MD, by a few years.
 
The average age of DO's is older than MD's. DO school seems more amenable to people on their second or third pathway. Many of my classmates were former pharmacists, nurses, nurse practitioners, MBA's. One of my classmates was 51 when he graduated, he was once making six figures a year. He decided that he rather go to medical school.
 
DO students do tend to be older. I am 41 (YIKES😱), but I am not the oldest in my class. We have a few in their 50's, a bunch in their 40s. I have always felt right at home with my younger classmates.

Good luck
 
*waves*

I'm one of those "older" ones at UNECOM. I was 39 when I entered school (can't believe I'm turning 41 this year 😱)

When I applied, not one single DO school mentioned my age.
 
MSUCOM usually has at least of handful of people in their 30s and a few in their early 40s.
 
I will be 40 years old by the time I enter DO school, provided I get accepted. Assuming a good GPA (>3.8 for both undergrad and grad) and a decent MCAT (yet to be taken), is age a big factor for acceptance to DO school (or MD school, for that matter)? Does anyone have any older students in their present class?

...a nonfactor in DO admissions, and I would assume Caribbean MD admissions. A huge factor in US MD admissions.
 
I will be 40 years old by the time I enter DO school, provided I get accepted. Assuming a good GPA (>3.8 for both undergrad and grad) and a decent MCAT (yet to be taken), is age a big factor for acceptance to DO school (or MD school, for that matter)? Does anyone have any older students in their present class?

Yes, it is common to have students over 40 in DO classes. Mine had 2.
 
...a nonfactor in DO admissions, and I would assume Caribbean MD admissions. A huge factor in US MD admissions.

I don't know how true that is really. Anecdotally, my allopathic school regularly admits students over 40, and if you check out the nontrad forum, you'll find lots of other nontrads who have success both in allopathic and osteopathic schools. Allopathic schools are generally less forgiving of past low grades, though, which is a non-issue for the op.
 
Have to tell you about an interview I had at an MD school.......

interviewer: "So I know I am not allowed to ask about your age........"
big long pause after this.

Me: "ok."
I guess he was wanting me to start talking about my age.

interviewer: "Ok, well then off record I guess, but what does your family think about you being so old and wanting to go to medical school?"

me: "Why would that be an issue to them? I am not old."

interviewer: "well you are older than most of our students....."

me: "i dont think that is an issue."

Needless to say, I didnt end up at that school. 😀
 
Have to tell you about an interview I had at an MD school.......

interviewer: "So I know I am not allowed to ask about your age........"
big long pause after this.

Me: "ok."
I guess he was wanting me to start talking about my age.

interviewer: "Ok, well then off record I guess, but what does your family think about you being so old and wanting to go to medical school?"

me: "Why would that be an issue to them? I am not old."

interviewer: "well you are older than most of our students....."

me: "i dont think that is an issue."

Needless to say, I didnt end up at that school. 😀


Being the ass that I am, it would have been fun to send that interviewer/school a letter from a lawyer friend....just to mess with them.
 
And I had more than one MD school tell me on the phone "you're 'out of the normal age range' for medical school applicants" when I asked why I didn't get an interview and what I could do to better my application. No, I won't name them.
 
I am 22, and i know MD schools are more reluctant to welcome students that are in their 30's, 40's... seems silly! I mean look at it this way..even if you graduate by 45 you got what like a good 25-30 year service left in you?!? I mean sometimes i wonder how long i will be in this profession..like for a kid who graduates at 24 is looking at roughly 50 + years..wow.haha let me graduate first..hehe
 
In NYCOM's emigre physician program we have a lot students in their 40's and some that look like they're in their 50's in our class, and it looks like its the same thing for 2011. I don't think being 40 will be that big of an issue as long as you have a good answer to the "how will your age affect you in Med school" question that you're guaranteed to get at your interviews.

On the other end of the spectrum, I am one of the youngest in my class at NYCOM (21.5 when we started first year). At my interview I was asked if I felt as though I was missing out on anything, being so young (20 at the interview!), and I said no.
 
In NYCOM's emigre physician program we have a lot students in their 40's and some that look like they're in their 50's in our class, and it looks like its the same thing for 2011. I don't think being 40 will be that big of an issue as long as you have a good answer to the "how will your age affect you in Med school" question that you're guaranteed to get at your interviews.

On the other end of the spectrum, I am one of the youngest in my class at NYCOM (21.5 when we started first year). At my interview I was asked if I felt as though I was missing out on anything, being so young (20 at the interview!), and I said no.

A lot of my buddies who went to nycom came through a 7 year bs/do program..so you must see a lot of 20 and about to be 21 yr old's hehe...i mean a lot!!
 
A lot of my buddies who went to nycom came through a 7 year bs/do program..so you must see a lot of 20 and about to be 21 yr old's hehe...i mean a lot!!

Yeah I think there are maybe around 10 BS/DO's in our class. I am the youngest American born, non-BS/DO in the class!! (I can't wait to put that one on my cv!)
 
And I had more than one MD school tell me on the phone "you're 'out of the normal age range' for medical school applicants" when I asked why I didn't get an interview and what I could do to better my application. No, I won't name them.


Why not Shyrem?

I think you should

cheers
 
And I had more than one MD school tell me on the phone "you're 'out of the normal age range' for medical school applicants" when I asked why I didn't get an interview and what I could do to better my application. No, I won't name them.

I am still AMAZED these places had the nerve to say this to you!!! That's a big risk for them to admit.

Did you slip them some veritaserum or something?? :meanie:
 
Yeah I think there are maybe around 10 BS/DO's in our class. I am the youngest American born, non-BS/DO in the class!! (I can't wait to put that one on my cv!)

haha whatever makes you stand out right?
 
I know several people that are in thier late 30's to early 40's that are in med school at both DO and MD schools. I have never heard of anyone that has been denied due to age. 👍
 
I had 1 "Ivy League" MD program inform me, in writing, that they considered their program very rigorious and they had never admitted a student over 29, and because their program was so rigorious they didn't expect to ever admit a student over 29.
Several schools seem to go out of their way to actively recruit non-trads in their mid-30s; and DO programs seem to be the trailblazers in this.
Every school views older students differently.
Incoming students 35+ as other than a rare special case is a relatively recent thing everywhere.
40+ is a legally protected class, and although there has been some age discrimination in admissions litigation in university programs it really hasn't been an issue in the medical schools yet; probably attributable to the limited numbers and perdominant personality types in the medical school applicant pool.
Almost universally there is a negitive corrolation between age and MS acceptance stats. Corrolation is not causation, and there have been extensive discussions of why this happens, and nobody agrees. I have my own theories of why that aren't mentioned in the published literature.
In a very real sense, those 40+ today are trailblazers in the same sense as women and those 30+ were 25-50 years ago.
Perhaps the best explaination of why there are so few is that it constitutes radical change, and radical change to well settled institutions does not come about easily or painlessly. It will come first with the most innovative institutions, and last with the most rigid and narrow minded ones.


And I had more than one MD school tell me on the phone "you're 'out of the normal age range' for medical school applicants" when I asked why I didn't get an interview and what I could do to better my application. No, I won't name them.
 
I know this thread hasn't been too active lately, but it was just brought to my attention. I would have to echo ShyRem's thoughts, I'm a non traditional at 30 and had a similar experience at a certain MD school that will remain un-named. The interviewer asked me why I had "waited almost a decade since graduating to apply", then after explaining my reasoning and the differences in the person I was then and now, flat out told me "your answer is a cop out", and that he felt "acceptence to our institution should be reserved for those who know what they want to be and not those who need to find themselves before they apply." As you can imagine the interview went downhill from there. My first interview..........can you imagine!! I did end up sending a formal letter of complaint. Still waiting on my apology, anyone think I should hold my breath??

On the contrary more than one of my DO interviewers brought up my real world experience as a strong point in my application. In general I felt the environment of the DO interviews were much less hostile than those of the MD schools. Needless to say I did not get into the MD school previously mentioned, however I was accepted after being waitlisted to another MD program. By the time it came through though my mind and heart was already set on NSU.
 
well there are several possible explanations for the behavior talked about by interviewers on this thread.
 
... i think its obtuse to ascribe the higher age of DO students to MD discrimination.

25 years ago MD students were lectured on the fact that a lot of money was being spent on educating them, much more than what they were paying in tuition, and they were expected to return the favor by spending as many years as possible in the profession. For that reason older folks were usually turned away, as were women often times because they would be having babies. The idea was that they couldn't possiblr "give their all" to the profession and take maternity leave at the same time. Fortunately, those views have changed for the most part. But, keep in mind that many of today's interviewers in med schools heard those lectures and still believe that in the back of their minds.

OTOH, osteopathic medicine has long held the tradition of accepting both older "career changers" as well as women. In fact, they have strongly encouraged it. The differences between MD and DO have all but disappeared over the years so that they are very minor these days, and allopathic schools are almost as good as osteopathic schools when it comes to discrimination these days as well. But to deny that it may exist in some forms, although often very subtle, would be a fallacy.
 
25 years ago MD students were lectured on the fact that a lot of money was being spent on educating them, much more than what they were paying in tuition, and they were expected to return the favor by spending as many years as possible in the profession. For that reason older folks were usually turned away, as were women often times because they would be having babies. The idea was that they couldn't possiblr "give their all" to the profession and take maternity leave at the same time. Fortunately, those views have changed for the most part. But, keep in mind that many of today's interviewers in med schools heard those lectures and still believe that in the back of their minds.

OTOH, osteopathic medicine has long held the tradition of accepting both older "career changers" as well as women. In fact, they have strongly encouraged it. The differences between MD and DO have all but disappeared over the years so that they are very minor these days, and allopathic schools are almost as good as osteopathic schools when it comes to discrimination these days as well. But to deny that it may exist in some forms, although often very subtle, would be a fallacy.

sorry, I should have said "i think its obtuse to ascribe the higher age of DO students solely to MD discrimination." it's possible and even likely to be the case (for the logical reasons you've stated), but in reality I think it's probably rare. the fact that we hear about it here is likely because the times it does happen it's stark and noticeable. also keep in mind that there are flat out more MD schools than DO, thus thousands more seats and thousands more interviews conducted by MD schools overall. so if we hear more stories about jerk interviewers at MD schools compared to DO schools, it shouldn't be surprising.

but the point of the above quote is that there are LOTS of reasons the DO avg age is higher, and let's not lump it all into the generalization that "MD schools are prejudiced". MD schools value good non-trads just as much as DO schools IMO.
 
Oh, Moniker, that last one hurt. "good non-trads". Ouch.

I know there were younger applicants with lower grades, lower MCATs, and less clinical experience getting interviews places I didn't. I'm not bitter about it. Age is a factor. But that doesn't mean I like having people somehow imply I wasn't a "good applicant" because of my age.
 
Oh, Moniker, that last one hurt. "good non-trads". Ouch.

I know there were younger applicants with lower grades, lower MCATs, and less clinical experience getting interviews places I didn't. I'm not bitter about it. Age is a factor. But that doesn't mean I like having people somehow imply I wasn't a "good applicant" because of my age.

oh, I really didn't mean to insult anyone with that, I think I came off wrong. hopefully my point wasn't completely lost?
 
Not completely. 😉 and I agree - non-trads should have to show they can handle the rigors of medical school in terms of the school work required. Age should NEVER excuse a poor MCAT or poor grades.

But along that same line, age shouldn't be a factor at all. And there are still places where unfortunately it is.
 
Not completely. 😉 and I agree - non-trads should have to show they can handle the rigors of medical school in terms of the school work required. Age should NEVER excuse a poor MCAT or poor grades.

But along that same line, age shouldn't be a factor at all. And there are still places where unfortunately it is.

at all? I mean it is a factor, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it. i think it's a consideration, but shouldn't be considered by default to be some sort of handicap. it can just as easily be a positive thing or a negative thing, but based on the applicant only, not on generalizations.

i mean whatever factor we talk about, admissions committees may look favorably on it or unfavorably. and there's someone who gets an advantage and someone who gets the disadvantage, by definition. take preference for instate applicants, for example. instate applicants have an advantage, out of state applicants have a disadvantage. it's not a crime against humanity, everyone just accepts it because data shows instate applicants are more likely to produce instate doctors, and that's part of the mission of the (state) school. or worse - there are schools that have profound preference for applicants who grew up in a rural town...which, like age, a person has no control over. data has shown pretty reliably that such people are likely to practice medicine in rural areas, which is part of the mission of such schools. likewise, it makes sense that all other things equal, a younger applicant would get the same position over an older applicant, because they'll have a longer career in which to do fellowships, serve the community, go on medical missions, publish papers, practice medicine, etc. which is part of the mission of medical schools as well. THAT SAID: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "ALL THINGS EQUAL" when you're talking about such qualitative factors, and for you, your increased age could be a resoundingly good thing based on your situation. and a smart admissions officer will consider the whole package and likely come to the same conclusion you have - your advanced age has contributed positively to what a great applicant you are. but if you don't care to explain why that is, then you're not helping them understand everything you know about yourself that makes you sure you deserve the spot over your equivalent 22 y.o. it sounds like maybe some admissions officers are unfairly profiling people based on a relatively unfair dimension (age), and that's silly too. but i just don't think people should be afraid to talk about why they feel they're the right person for the job, when if they really believe they're the right person, they'll have a good answer. i don't necessarily think it's fair to say MD schools are prejudiced against non-trads though.

anyway, we may have to agree to disagree. i think we agree on the main principles.
 
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