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Since age is one of the identifing markers on our VMCAS applications, a curious scenario came up that I was wondering if any adcom members would mind commenting on.

Scenario: Only 1 spot left in the class roster; Your evaluating two applicants with rather equal GPA's (Cum. and Science) and typically equal experience (point wise). Applicant A. Is in their 30's and has GRE scores in the (950 +3.5 AW) range. Applicant B. is in their 20s and has a GRE range of (1200 + 4.5 AW). Applicants were not interviewed but you could contact references.

Would you look at the age of both applicants and have any opinion? Would you look beyond the lower GRE and consider offering admission to the older applicant? Why or Why not. (Especially address if age was a factor.) Or would the numbers make your decision regardless?
 
1) Our opinions completely don't matter, b/c we have no experience being an adcom. Nor would we have any buisness or expereince guessing what we would do.

2) No way you're going to get a statistically significat response from adcoms on this board.

I wouldn't personally want to even know the answer to that question. You do everything you can to get in and then it's out of your hands and don't worry about what you can't influence.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think adcoms can legally ever admit to looking at age as a factor due to threats of age discrimination. In my experience, they've closely toed the line by discussing my "maturity" but being very careful not to discuss my exact age, etc, as a factor. All to say that I would be shocked if any adcom (whose school they represent could potentially be figured out) would admit that they looked favorably (or unfavorably) on being older or younger. Just my experience, although I represent the other side of the age issue 🙂
 
Since age is one of the identifing markers on our VMCAS applications, a curious scenario came up that I was wondering if any adcom members would mind commenting on.

Scenario: Only 1 spot left in the class roster; Your evaluating two applicants with rather equal GPA's (Cum. and Science) and typically equal experience (point wise). Applicant A. Is in their 30's and has GRE scores in the (950 +3.5 AW) range. Applicant B. is in their 20s and has a GRE range of (1200 + 4.5 AW). Applicants were not interviewed but you could contact references.

Would you look at the age of both applicants and have any opinion? Would you look beyond the lower GRE and consider offering admission to the older applicant? Why or Why not. (Especially address if age was a factor.) Or would the numbers make your decision regardless?
I am not an adcom but do know that MOST schools in the US highly regard the GRE (a lot of them give the same weight to GRE as GPA). So before interview your two applicants do not equal eachother regardless of their age, sorry🙁
 
I am not an adcom but do know that MOST schools in the US highly regard the GRE (a lot of them give the same weight to GRE as GPA). So before interview your two applicants do not equal eachother regardless of their age, sorry🙁

Yeah, a 950 GRE is a pretty poor score to add to that. The applicant with the higher GRE score would definitely have a leg up.
 
The two people wouldn't even be considered the same. Isn't 1000 the minimum GRE score at many schools? If it came down to these two applicants it would be a difference in scores, rather than age, that made the decision. I would say someone with low scores is definitely at a disadvantage at schools that don't interview, as they seem to place more weight in the objective part of the application.
 
A more challenging scenario would be two applicants with equally good stats, with only one interview invite left -- with an age difference.

Isn't there something legal that says they can't discriminate on age/race/gender/sexual preference?

At least I see something like that on pretty much all job apps.
 
Maybe it's just because I'm at the younger end of the spectrum, but I don't see why being in your 30's would mean that you would be a better applicant than someone in their 20's. Anyone care to explain?
 
Maybe it's just because I'm at the younger end of the spectrum, but I don't see why being in your 30's would mean that you would be a better applicant than someone in their 20's. Anyone care to explain?

I agree with that statement. The only thing I can think of is experience, but there comes a point when there isn't a lot of difference between 1000 hours of experience and 2000+. The experience required to get into vet school is to see if you can handle it, and once you get breadth and depth in a variety of areas there really isn't much else that you can get.

Edit: I just noticed that the OP said equal GPAs and equal experience. I don't know why an adcomm would take someone with such drastically lower scores with everything else being equal. That would look discriminatory over young people in that scenario.
 
Maybe it's just because I'm at the younger end of the spectrum, but I don't see why being in your 30's would mean that you would be a better applicant than someone in their 20's. Anyone care to explain?

I don't really know.

Personally, I think a good applicant is a good applicant regardless of age.

But I suppose there are some people who would say that an older person has more life experience which could positively contribute to the incoming class and the profession.

On the other hand, some people could also say that an older applicant will not spend as much time in the profession before retirement, thus a younger applicant could theoretically contribute more to the profession.

Heck, as hard and nerve wracking as this is, kudos to anyone applying!🙂
 
Yes, I know MOST schools highly rely on GRE scores that is why I wanted to know what someone thought about this scenario. I did not say "regardless of age"...What I said was all other things being equal (minus GRE and AGE) so why do you think they are not equal other that GRE and AGE when that is what I detailed?

I think the main point is that the GRE carries FAR more weight than age, to the point that the age difference does not make much of a difference.

How abouts we all take a chill pill for a mo' and calm ourselves down, yes? My keen spidey sense detects a bit of tension that none of us need right now. 😀
 
As a person in their 30's, I can tell you that the person I am now is radically different than who I was 10 years ago. I am infinitely more patient, and wiser than I was at 23, and I make much smarter decisions. I have also lived outside of academia in the "real world" for a long time, which I think will make the transition from school to private practice much less traumatic for me than for someone who has been going to school continuously since they were five. And there is no danger that I am going to school just because I can't imagine what else I am going to do after college, as I already have a successful career.

Please don't take this as me saying that all of you 20 somethings are immature. I am just saying that the person you are now will be very different from the person you are in your 30s. That's why the divorce rate for people getting married in their 20s is so much higher than those getting married in their 30s, because the person you will be is not completely formed yet at 20.
I know you won't believe me, but it's true. Ask your parents.

I would say though that being older is only really an advantage if you have used the extra time to become a better person and a potentially more successful vet. And I am sure that 95% percent of you kids will be just fine as vets. Though if I don't get in, I reserve the right to blame it "on those meddling kids" :laugh:
 
As far as I know, julieDVM is the only one here to have served on an adcom.

And holy cow, that was quite a rude response to someone who was just trying to matter-of-factly tell you that you weren't going to get the kind of answer you were looking for here. Someone gave you an opinion as to the appropriateness of your thread, and you immediately lashed out. Nice bedside manner. Plus, trawling for pre-admissions advice from actual adcom members borders on poor judgement/ethics. Their decisions are meant to be anonymous. They or related individuals can give you ideas on how to strengthen your application after the process, if you get rejected, but that's pretty much it.
 
First, let me correct you by saying that there are quite a few posts on this forum by application committee members. If you read some threads they are there. The nature of this forum is one that allows for the expression of opinions while maintaining total anonymity without fear of retaliation and some members have done just that.

Second,
1) Our opinions completely don't matter, b/c we have no experience being an adcom. Nor would we have any buisness or expereince guessing what we would do.
I couldn't agree with you more, so why are you posting on this thread? If you are not a committee member then you are in no way qualified to be giving thoughts on this topic. You are entitled to your opinions, but that is what they are YOUR OPINION, not factually or experientially based.

1) 2) No way you're going to get a statistically significat response from adcoms on this board. I wouldn't personally want to even know the answer to that question. You do everything you can to get in and then it's out of your hands and don't worry about what you can't influence.

I wasnt looking for statistically accurate responses, just a general idea about given this scenario what would you (as an adcom) do? I have every right, just like anyone else on this forum to post a "purely hypothetical" question and get appropriate responses. That is great if you dont care what the answer is, but I do and that is my perogative. Just like porn, if you dont like it DONT WATCH!

I am not an adcom but do know that MOST schools in the US highly regard the GRE (a lot of them give the same weight to GRE as GPA). So before interview your two applicants do not equal each other regardless of their age, sorry🙁

Yes, I know MOST schools highly rely on GRE scores that is why I wanted to know what someone thought about this scenario. I did not say "regardless of age"...What I said was all other things being equal (minus GRE and AGE) so why do you think they are not equal other that GRE and AGE when that is what I detailed?

Yeah, a 950 GRE is a pretty poor score to add to that. The applicant with the higher GRE score would definitely have a leg up.

Are you absolutely sure about that, or is that just what you've extrapolated based on other peoples opinion? Schools only show average stats, that means the "middle" or "mean". For those who didnt pay attention in statistics I'll explain. That means that some people where higher and some people where lower! Get the picture.

The two people wouldn't even be considered the same. Isn't 1000 the minimum GRE score at many schools? If it came down to these two applicants it would be a difference in scores, rather than age, that made the decision. I would say someone with low scores is definitely at a disadvantage at schools that don't interview, as they seem to place more weight in the objective part of the application.

Sorry to correct you but not ALL schools have a minimum GRE score. And the interview comment was to explain that the decision couldnt be made based on character criteria other than information obtained by letters of recommendation or conversation with those supplying them.

A more challenging scenario would be two applicants with equally good stats, with only one interview invite left -- with an age difference. Isn't there something legal that says they can't discriminate on age/race/gender/sexual preference? At least I see something like that on pretty much all job apps.

Maybe, but that wasnt the scenario given (I didnt mention an interview invite?). I didnt want to explain why I set it up this way because doing so might sway the adcoms answers and I wanted to get a honest perception. I wasnt "crying" age discrimination. I was questioning whether someone who was older would be given extra consideration because they have less opportunity for reapplication. (Im sure that is going to get tons of negative responses but the fact is if you are not at that stage in your life then you wouldnt understand.) And while discrimination is not supposed to happen, I would not be foolish enough to believe that it doesnt occur.

Maybe it's just because I'm at the younger end of the spectrum, but I don't see why being in your 30's would mean that you would be a better applicant than someone in their 20's. Anyone care to explain?

It wouldnt and I wasnt implying that. I was only posting a hypothetical question wondering given all other things equal would age trump GRE scores. Just like you I would assume not, but again that doesnt mean someone would or wouldnot.

Thanks for your input 🙂 I now return you to your regularly schedule thread.
 
I think this is a valid question. One that an admissions committee could ask of a non-traditional student and a typical applicant. It is similar to being ask "why should we pick you?". If the students had similar gre scores and gpa, it still a hard question to answer. 😱

A young student usually does not have the extra baggage of an older one (30+). They will not have to worry about kids or husbands (usually). They are fresh out of college and are already in the mindset of school.

An older student may have more experience (in the industry and more mature). They may view themselves having much more to loose if they quit; therefore, they may make a harder effort than younger applicants.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is the type of discussion you are looking for. Please dont take offence, I am neither young or old. I think of myself as in the middle of the two groups at 26.😳
 
Calm down, lets all be friendly here.

Threads change and it shouldnt be an issue if someone brings up a separate hypothetical.

Also, although there are some adcoms on the boards that do post, the majority of posters are pre-vet, keep that in mind when you are posting on the pre-vet forum. You shouldn't expect answers from adcoms necessarily, but you do open it up to all posters, and everyone has a right to respond.
 
As far as I know, julieDVM is the only one here to have served on an adcom.

And holy cow, that was quite a rude response to someone who was just trying to matter-of-factly tell you that you weren't going to get the kind of answer you were looking for here. Someone gave you an opinion as to the appropriateness of your thread, and you immediately lashed out. Nice bedside manner. Plus, trawling for pre-admissions advice from actual adcom members borders on poor judgement/ethics. Their decisions are meant to be anonymous. They or related individuals can give you ideas on how to strengthen your application after the process, if you get rejected, but that's pretty much it.


I wasnt lashing out, just correcting a misperception and presenting an difference of opinion.
 
Yes there are a few adcomms on this board, but I think only 3.

As to your response to my post, yes not all schools have GRE minimums (most do though), but if a 950 is below the minimum at one school it certainly isn't going to be competitive at another school. You also contested the fact that 950 was a low score - it is - it is a very low score, not competitive at all.

An older applicant is not going to get special treatment like that. The score of 1200 is far superior, and in this situation it would be very, very strange if an adcomm let in the older applicant. Admissions aren't random, they are based on score, experience, grades etc. and with everything else being equal, the higher score would be accepted.
 
Admissions aren't random, they are based on score, experience, grades etc. and with everything else being equal, the higher score would be accepted.

Sure, that's what adcoms want us to think...

:laugh:
 
So, do you simply not want people replying to this thread unless they are on an adcom, since evidently you consider our non-adcom opinions are "in no way qualified" and not "appropriate"? Quick everyone, better be quiet.....🙄
 
notice how no adcoms have responded.... 😉
 
The application with the GRE of 950 would be lucky to make it to my desk...

Fortunately, there is rarely a situation (ie: i haven't had one yet) where two applications are so similar that the only distinction between the two is something the applicant has no control over (ie: age, race etc.)

We do not make decisions based on age, sex, race, religion... etc.

Dont yell at me.
 
Thanks Julie for your insightful and expert opinion. I kinda figured that would be the case...as I said it was just a hypothetical.
 
Are you absolutely sure about that, or is that just what you've extrapolated based on other peoples opinion? Schools only show average stats, that means the "middle" or "mean". For those who didnt pay attention in statistics I'll explain. That means that some people where higher and some people where lower! Get the picture.

First of all, I don't even know why people say GRE scores in terms of the combined score at all. From what I have EXTRAPOLATED based on what the vet school to which I have chosen to apply puts out in their admissions literature, they care about the percentiles for the individual sections, not the numbers. A 700 in quant is probably a 30 or more percentile difference from a 700 in verbal. That's fairly significant.

As far as a 950 goes, I cannot imagine any scenario wherein the two scores that make up that number are both above the 50th percentile. And guess what? That means it's below average for everyone taking the test, not just vet school applicants. I just couldn't see someone with a GRE score like that even making it into the final consideration. The GRE is something you can just retake like that and change - it is a very malleable part of the application, it isn't like a GPA that reflects years and years of study and that you may not be able to change much even with A's in two semesters worth of classes. If it were me, I'd look at that GRE score and think that the person is either (a) incapable of making it in a rigorous program or (b) not dedicated enough to retake the test if they performed poorly the first time. Sorry, but that's just what something like that would tell me personally.
 
First of all, I don't even know why people say GRE scores in terms of the combined score at all. From what I have EXTRAPOLATED based on what the vet school to which I have chosen to apply puts out in their admissions literature, they care about the percentiles for the individual sections, not the numbers. A 700 in quant is probably a 30 or more percentile difference from a 700 in verbal. That's fairly significant.

As far as a 950 goes, I cannot imagine any scenario wherein the two scores that make up that number are both above the 50th percentile. And guess what? That means it's below average for everyone taking the test, not just vet school applicants. I just couldn't see someone with a GRE score like that even making it into the final consideration. The GRE is something you can just retake like that and change - it is a very malleable part of the application, it isn't like a GPA that reflects years and years of study and that you may not be able to change much even with A's in two semesters worth of classes. If it were me, I'd look at that GRE score and think that the person is either (a) incapable of making it in a rigorous program or (b) not dedicated enough to retake the test if they performed poorly the first time. Sorry, but that's just what something like that would tell me personally.

I agree.

http://www.powerscore.com/gre/scoringscale.htm shows the percentile correlation.

Say that your 950 is evenly split (475v 475q). That's about verbal 54th percentile, and math 24th percentile. That's far from competitive. I think any vet school would have seriously hesitate (if not outright reject) someone who scored in the 24th percentile in math.

Granted the writing part could boost your score, but some schools don't look at it.
 
First of all, I don't even know why people say GRE scores in terms of the combined score at all. From what I have EXTRAPOLATED based on what the vet school to which I have chosen to apply puts out in their admissions literature, they care about the percentiles for the individual sections, not the numbers. A 700 in quant is probably a 30 or more percentile difference from a 700 in verbal. That's fairly significant.

As far as a 950 goes, I cannot imagine any scenario wherein the two scores that make up that number are both above the 50th percentile. And guess what? That means it's below average for everyone taking the test, not just vet school applicants. I just couldn't see someone with a GRE score like that even making it into the final consideration. The GRE is something you can just retake like that and change - it is a very malleable part of the application, it isn't like a GPA that reflects years and years of study and that you may not be able to change much even with A's in two semesters worth of classes. If it were me, I'd look at that GRE score and think that the person is either (a) incapable of making it in a rigorous program or (b) not dedicated enough to retake the test if they performed poorly the first time. Sorry, but that's just what something like that would tell me personally.

Agreed. Retake the GRE before you reapply.
 
I'm happy to look beyond a marginal GRE if grades are good. I read through many applications this year that had sub 1000 overalls. I put much more weight on credit load, upper division science grades, and hours worked during school.

The question we're trying to answer with GRE/GPA is "Can you handle the course load". I agree with those that recommended retaking the GRE as improvement will only help. If your grades are good and the GRE is marginal a comment in the explanation sentence like "I have never done well with standardized tests, please look at my recent upper division science as an indication of my abilities" acknowledges that you recognize a weakness in your application but that you believe you can still excel in the vet program.

As for the age thing.. People in their 30's (and higher) are welcome. We have lots of second career applicants and they bring lots of unique qualities, maturity, and other perspectives to the program.
 
As to your response to my post, yes not all schools have GRE minimums (most do though), but if a 950 is below the minimum at one school it certainly isn't going to be competitive at another school. You also contested the fact that 950 was a low score - it is - it is a very low score, not competitive at all.

Agreed. To think that a 950 is the least bit competitive is shocking. :scared:
 
Thanks so much FlyontheWall for your imput, it is much appreciated.. as is everyone who has taken the time to offer comments and suggestions. I wish everyone the best.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think adcoms can legally ever admit to looking at age as a factor due to threats of age discrimination. In my experience, they've closely toed the line by discussing my "maturity" but being very careful not to discuss my exact age, etc, as a factor. All to say that I would be shocked if any adcom (whose school they represent could potentially be figured out) would admit that they looked favorably (or unfavorably) on being older or younger. Just my experience, although I represent the other side of the age issue 🙂

UF regularly admits students over 50; last year it was 55 and a few years earlier 58 (a dentist who wished to do shelter med).

(Lawyer hat on; yes, I hold a JD.) The adcoms can't consider age as a factor - federal law. They get federal money so they are stuck with federal law. Period. End of discussion.

Maturity is a positive, not a negative, in many cases. Any student can attend vet school and then get admitted to practice and then decide to go another path. Example: young, 27 y.o. female doctor at local animal hospital decides vet med is not what she really likes and wishes to now be a school teacher and work with kids (or stop practicing and just be a mom at home). She would have used her vet med education for all of three years or less.

So what's the difference: a) get the education and then decide it isn't what you desire after a few years; or b) dying of old age and only using your education for N years (let's be negative and say "10 years"); or c) being an active doctor and then dying of an illness or in a car crash after a few years of practice.

Personally, I would take an applicant based on what they wish to contribute and what I believe they can add to the profession of vet medicine over their career, regardless of how short it may be.

Oh .. that's what they do now! Silly me ....

Stop sweating the "age factor" and reducing things to GPA, GRE scores and some animal experience hours. While it may be the world to younger applicants, older ones have a load of maturity and experience to bring to the table. And that means DIVERISTY. And that *is* what an adcom wishes for their classes.
 
Maybe it's just because I'm at the younger end of the spectrum, but I don't see why being in your 30's would mean that you would be a better applicant than someone in their 20's. Anyone care to explain?

The mere fact you fail to see the answer to your own question, answers your question 🙂
 
The mere fact you fail to see the answer to your own question, answers your question 🙂

Well now, that's not very nice. Merely being in your 30s (or more) isn't a guarantee that you're a better applicant or that you're more worldly. If you've gained insight into your goals, had experiences to broaden your world view, sure. And just living will give you some of that. But to really have a ton more to offer, you have to be playing an active role in the maturing process, thinking, evaluating, learning, not just taking life as it comes and not thinking about it. So it's not guaranteed that older = more mature, etc.

And it's also not fair to say that people in their 20s (even early 20s, or even teens, in the case of our dear pupsforseeing 😉) are guaranteed to lack that maturity. There are some people who go through more by the time they're 18 than most of us will have gone through in many more years. So let's not make too generalizations that are too broad here. Everyone offers something unique.
 
To LVT2DVM:

My response wasn't rude. I was just staing my opinion. I didn't belittle you at all. I didn't call you names or stick my tongue out and say 'poo on you'. Wasn't I one of the people wishing you luck this year for your app on another thread?

Geez. It wasn't meant that way at all. Chill out. All I said was do your best and don't worry about the things you have no control over....your age.
 
Agreed. To think that a 950 is the least bit competitive is shocking. :scared:

No one (to my knowledge.. and I have sat on 2 adcoms) has shown a correlation between GRE and success in the veterinary profession. It is only a part of the total application. While high GRE's usually go along with good grades a bad score doesn't erase other positive qualities in an application.
 
Well now, that's not very nice. Merely being in your 30s (or more) isn't a guarantee that you're a better applicant or that you're more worldly. If you've gained insight into your goals, had experiences to broaden your world view, sure. And just living will give you some of that. But to really have a ton more to offer, you have to be playing an active role in the maturing process, thinking, evaluating, learning, not just taking life as it comes and not thinking about it. So it's not guaranteed that older = more mature, etc.

And it's also not fair to say that people in their 20s (even early 20s, or even teens, in the case of our dear pupsforseeing 😉) are guaranteed to lack that maturity. There are some people who go through more by the time they're 18 than most of us will have gone through in many more years. So let's not make too generalizations that are too broad here. Everyone offers something unique.

I didn't say being older or younger had anything to do with anything, I DID imply that age MIGHT allow one to have MORE experience and therefore be an asset; to fail to recognize this simple fact is why a "younger" person is sometimes not considered as mature and worldly as an older person.

IOW, it is generally accepted that teenagers think they own the world and know everything and this changes with time as they gain experience and wisdom. How much it changes depends on various factors. Some teenagers never get it and are then obnoxious adults. Kinda. But that's another story.

The main problem I see with "hard science" thinking (remember, I come from a diverse background and come to the table later) is the desire for hard and fast rules. For example, look at this thread and the desire to reduce applications to some numbers game where a mathematical outcome is certain. Forget it! Applicants are unique and while some facts are fun to play with (GPA, GRE, etc. etc.) the bottom line is that a successful applicant met the criteria of the adcom at the time they were admitted. No more and no less. While the range of values are fun to examine and are a nice starting point, they are not the be-all end-all and ANYONE who wishes to apply and try to gain admission, should.

Medicine is art, not just science. While there are ranges, there are never certainties (with some exceptions, of course). I think you will discover this the more time you spend in practice and in the trenches. One of my favorite quotes is "I keep asking my [insert animal] to read the books, but all it ever does is eat the pages!"

There are exceptions and there are never concrete answers. To anything. Ever. Even a "scientific law" is not 100%.

To fail to see why an adcom MIGHT consider a 30's age applicant differently than a 20's applicant is the crux of my original post. If one fails to see why they MIGHT look at them differently, then you have just answered the question itself; The 30's person is *more likely* to understand that decisions are more than just numbers and mathematical equations for admissions, whereas the early 20's fresh from undergrad have emerged from a world where numbers and grades are the predominant facts for decision making.

One hopes that with age there comes wisdom. And as I stated before, there are NO guarantees and wisdom can be gained in life at any point and with any set of experiences.

I appreciate your comments and the time spent typing them. I fail to see, however, how my original comment is any different than expressed herein. And the same answer applies: you have answered the question. 🙂

P.S. Did I mention I was a philosophy major before I headed off to law school? I live(d) in a world of subjectiveness and deductive/inductive/deductive logic for most of my life. I am used to uncertainty.

An I, too, dislike lawyers, too. I know .... damn argumentative, slick buggers!!
 
And it's also not fair to say that people in their 20s (even early 20s, or even teens, in the case of our dear pupsforseeing 😉) are guaranteed to lack that maturity. There are some people who go through more by the time they're 18 than most of us will have gone through in many more years. So let's not make too generalizations that are too broad here. Everyone offers something unique.

Haha, thanks for sticking up for the young ones, VA girl 🙂 We all bring something different to the table--it keeps things interesting. It'd be pretty boring if we all came from the same place.
 
IOW, it is generally accepted that teenagers think they own the world and know everything and this changes with time as they gain experience and wisdom. How much it changes depends on various factors. Some teenagers never get it and are then obnoxious adults. Kinda. But that's another story.


To fail to see why an adcom MIGHT consider a 30's age applicant differently than a 20's applicant is the crux of my original post. If one fails to see why they MIGHT look at them differently, then you have just answered the question itself; The 30's person is *more likely* to understand that decisions are more than just numbers and mathematical equations for admissions, whereas the early 20's fresh from undergrad have emerged from a world where numbers and grades are the predominant facts for decision making.

Or you could be a teenager who suffered through depression and was always ashamed that they were stupid and never knew enough? For them maturing might be to accept that they actually do know some things.

I also don't see why age should be a factor. A 30 something person doesn't understand decision making better than a 20 year old. It all depends on the person's life experiences. Hell some 10 year olds have more life experience than 30 year olds. Some people are unlucky and enter life in the deep end and have to learn to swim without assistance.

Just my $.02 cents though. I have always been one to disregard age. :hardy:
 
No one (to my knowledge.. and I have sat on 2 adcoms) has shown a correlation between GRE and success in the veterinary profession. It is only a part of the total application. While high GRE's usually go along with good grades a bad score doesn't erase other positive qualities in an application.

Which is exactly why I didn't say that a (VERY) low GRE would make the applicant uncompetitive. I said that the score of 950 was uncompetitive. Weak areas can obviously be made up for if they're good enough. 🙄

But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
 
950 = low GRE score

1200 = good GRE score

All other qualifications being equal, the person with the good GRE score should be offered admission over the person with the low GRE score.

Age isn't a qualification. It's a factor that might come into play to differentiate between two equally qualified candidates when trying to build a class. Anything more than that would be discrimination.
 
950 = low GRE score

1200 = good GRE score

All other qualifications being equal, the person with the good GRE score should be offered admission over the person with the low GRE score.

But this would never be the case because all other aspects of the application will never be equal. Good discussion so far..

And sorry about the :d before. As much as I want to it's not something I get to do very often.
 
But this would never be the case because all other aspects of the application will never be equal. Good discussion so far..

And sorry about the :d before. As much as I want to it's not something I get to do very often.

While that may be true, in the hypothetical situation that was given - that was the case.

Also, as Piddlingfish said, while GRE scores may or may not correlate with success in vet school, they are a part of the admissions process and are considered as such. Therefore, if one had an uncompetitive GRE (and as was stated before 950 is certainly not competitive), they would have a harder time gaining admittance. Other factors may certainly boost their application a bit, but age is certainly not one of those factors.
 
While that may be true, in the hypothetical situation that was given - that was the case.

Also, as Piddlingfish said, while GRE scores may or may not correlate with success in vet school, they are a part of the admissions process and are considered as such. Therefore, if one had an uncompetitive GRE (and as was stated before 950 is certainly not competitive), they would have a harder time gaining admittance. Other factors may certainly boost their application a bit, but age is certainly not one of those factors.

OK purely hypothetical. Everything the same but age and GRE score.. Vote goes to the higher GRE score.

I guess I was objecting to the term "950 is certainly not competitive". Not competitive implies we stop looking at that point and put the application on the bottom of the pile. Doesn't happen that way.

...As for the age argument. I do agree that we would never look at numeric age as a factor. Here's my thought: There is a very good chance that an older applicant will have more of the intangibles (real world experience, jobs, maturity) that would look better on paper than the younger applicant.
 
OK purely hypothetical. Everything the same but age and GRE score.. Vote goes to the higher GRE score.

I guess I was objecting to the term "950 is certainly not competitive". Not competitive implies we stop looking at that point and put the application on the bottom of the pile. Doesn't happen that way.

...As for the age argument. I do agree that we would never look at numeric age as a factor. Here's my thought: There is a very good chance that an older applicant will have more of the intangibles (real world experience, jobs, maturity) that would look better on paper than the younger applicant.

I have to assume that those intangibles would somehow make their way into the personal statement, too. If there is an advantage with maturity factors, etc. it tends to come out in the writing.
 
I did not say "regardless of age"...What I said was all other things being equal (minus GRE and AGE) so why do you think they are not equal other that GRE and AGE when that is what I detailed?

No you did not, I did🙄

What you said was
"Would you look at the age of both applicants and have any opinion? Would you look beyond the lower GRE and consider offering admission to the older applicant? Why or Why not."

And I responded that no, if I were an adcom, I would not look beyond the GRE and consider offering admission to the older applicant. My decision would be made without regard to the applicants age (hence the use of regardless). Because no matter how much of a ruffle it gets your panties in, the two applicants are NOT equal with that difference in GRE scores:idea:

You asked for an opinion, deal with it:meanie:

and by the way simple statistics:
Mean = average (yes some above and some below)
Median= Middle

Which translates that
Mean is not the same as middle
 
I didn't say being older or younger had anything to do with anything, I DID imply that age MIGHT allow one to have MORE experience and therefore be an asset; to fail to recognize this simple fact is why a "younger" person is sometimes not considered as mature and worldly as an older person.
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To fail to see why an adcom MIGHT consider a 30's age applicant differently than a 20's applicant is the crux of my original post. If one fails to see why they MIGHT look at them differently, then you have just answered the question itself; The 30's person is *more likely* to understand that decisions are more than just numbers and mathematical equations for admissions, whereas the early 20's fresh from undergrad have emerged from a world where numbers and grades are the predominant facts for decision making.
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I appreciate your comments and the time spent typing them. I fail to see, however, how my original comment is any different than expressed herein. And the same answer applies: you have answered the question. 🙂

Not sure if all of your comments are directed at me, but I get the feeling you think I'm just a young thing taking umbrage at your previous remarks. Regardless of what impression my posts may give, I'm not certainly not fresh from undergrad. In fact, I was asked just today by an interviewer at VA-MD if I thought I'd have trouble fitting in with and relating to the kids right out of undergrad in vet school. Man, did that make me glad I took the time to pluck out all those gray hairs clustering around my part line...otherwise I would have thought she was asking because of the amount of gray on my head rather than the years of work experience on my application!😛
 
Somewhat off-topic, but in this vein:

My interviewer asked me how I would feel being in a class of mostly people younger than myself.

So, looking forward, if you're a non-trad like I am, at least be prepared to answer a question such as that. 🙂
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, BUT...

I had a GRE score of 950.

On first application, first try, I made it into veterinary school as an OOS student, later receiving WICHE funding.

Guess I'm one of those rare students whose application finds their way to the adcoms desk (and FYI, I was top ranked in the WICHE students for /CSU/, my ranking at WSU was what destroyed me for getting WICHE originally).

And, if anyone cares, I think GRE scores are a crock. First quarter of veterinary school and I have a 3.7 GPA overall (all A's one B+). Really demonstrative of academics, huh?
 
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