Air traffic controller vs pharmacist stress level

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Does anyone know any air traffic controllers? I’m wondering how their stress levels compare to the stress level of pharmacists or ED physicians.

I wish I would have known about air traffic control when I was younger. That would have been something I would have liked to pursue.

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Air traffic controllers is one of the most stressful jobs around. Just Google it.

Sure, there's the butt puckering moments when a plane is basically crashing. But the issue is having to maintain alertness all day everyday.

Also, agree with above poster. Pharmacy stress doesn't compare to ED MD stress.
 
I wonder if I am in the minority; I don't think being a pharmacist is stressful.
 
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The ATCS coming out of UND have to be unflappable and get psych profiled and get the hard BI before getting hired for a job. There's only two types: civilians working for DoT FAA, and military ones for DoD. The certification process and background investigations are stringent. I doubt most pharmacists would be able to meet the bar.

You also do not choose where you live, you do not choose your hours (this is true even for senior staff), and there is mandatory retirement that you do not choose (you are ordered to retire from FAA or DoD). Your career fate is very much tied to your supervisors, and the supervisors make the Pentagon look like amateurs in pure infighting potential (it's a known AF and Navy unwritten rule that you don't mess with the ATC/ABM club), so there's major stress from there.

They are paid very well for a reason. They have high-intensity, high-stress jobs, must be in physically good health (which is checked at least annually as a condition of employment), little to no agency on where, when, and how they do their jobs, and unlike the rest of the civil service, have specific separation procedures for non-performers or failed qualifies ("off status" being a euphemism for termination ready). Better men and women than me, I choose less painful ways to earn a living.

Also, much of the high salaries were due to a shortage that Reagan created with PATCO's elimination. With that gone, it's ironic that they have the same problems we have right now.
 
My friend's husband has been an ATC for about 9 years. Overall, he likes his job/is well suited for it. Most ATCs burn out in a few years or so, however. Also, it is almost impossible for him to get any time off/he has to request time off at least a year in advance. It is a good field for the right person, but there's a reason why it is one of the highest paying jobs out there without a college degree needed.

I have another friend that is a crane operator at a port. It takes skill, but he makes 150k+ a year doing it, and he says the job is really low stress and cush. The downside is you have to do grunt labor for years and have some serious union connections to eventually land the job.
 
Does anyone know any air traffic controllers? I’m wondering how their stress levels compare to the stress level of pharmacists or ED physicians.

I wish I would have known about air traffic control when I was younger. That would have been something I would have liked to pursue.

Considering how many overnight rphs are caught snoozing and how many outrageous mistakes are made daily in retail pharmacy I am going to say ATC is slightly more stressful
 
My brother has been an ATCS for almost 20 years. I will say that he has a LOT more greys than the rest of my siblings in his age group, which might be attributed his work stress lol. @lord999 is spot on. It's a hard job to get and an even harder one to keep. Even after 20 years - no consistent schedule (pretty much random rotation between overnight and day shifts), no ability to relocate (he's been on a 'waitlist' for 10 years or so in an effort to move to a less desirable area closer to family), and of course the constant stress of potentially harming hundreds of people with just one 'little' mistake. A lot of people think its an easy job since you don't really need a degree, but what they don't understand is that it's a VERY complicated and time consuming process to get hired- the FAA looks for specific skills and they are very picky lol. Or people think that its an easy job to perform since 'you're just staring at a computer screen' (very far from the truth -its rated as one of the most stressful jobs). My bother has been flight instructor on the side and is currently going through more schooling in preparation for his mandatory retiring... just because they earn more money doesn't necessarily mean they have it made.

There's just no way to compare the stress levels of an ATCS to being a pharmacist lmaoo. And yes, I have worked retail - its really not that bad! I can't speak for an ED physician - but how many patients can a physician harm with one mistake? I'm hoping that number is not in the hundreds lol. I've got nothing but respect for physicians and I'm not trying to downplay the critical role they play - I just don't think its a fair comparison.
 
My brother has been an ATCS for almost 20 years. I will say that he has a LOT more greys than the rest of my siblings in his age group, which might be attributed his work stress lol. @lord999 is spot on. It's a hard job to get and an even harder one to keep. Even after 20 years - no consistent schedule (pretty much random rotation between overnight and day shifts), no ability to relocate (he's been on a 'waitlist' for 10 years or so in an effort to move to a less desirable area closer to family), and of course the constant stress of potentially harming hundreds of people with just one 'little' mistake. A lot of people think its an easy job since you don't really need a degree, but what they don't understand is that it's a VERY complicated and time consuming process to get hired- the FAA looks for specific skills and they are very picky lol. Or people think that its an easy job to perform since 'you're just staring at a computer screen' (very far from the truth -its rated as one of the most stressful jobs). My bother has been flight instructor on the side and is currently going through more schooling in preparation for his mandatory retiring... just because they earn more money doesn't necessarily mean they have it made.

There's just no way to compare the stress levels of an ATCS to being a pharmacist lmaoo. And yes, I have worked retail - its really not that bad! I can't speak for an ED physician - but how many patients can a physician harm with one mistake? I'm hoping that number is not in the hundreds lol. I've got nothing but respect for physicians and I'm not trying to downplay the critical role they play - I just don't think its a fair comparison.
Thanks! This was helpful. That’s so cool that your brother is an air traffic controller. I can’t believe he’s been on waitlist for so long to go to a less desirable area.

From everything you wrote like the stress, the bad schedule, the inability to move, I’m surprised people would think it’s worth it. I wonder what made him want to make the sacrifices required to be an ATC.

I’d always heard that it’s one of the most stressful jobs out there due to having to be alert and knowing that a mistake could cost hundreds of lives. Is that not the same for pilots? It just seems like there’s not a huge risk of that happening, since they’re already highly trained on how to do the job correctly. I didn’t think they had to deal with constant interruptions and multitasking like ED docs do, while being expected to make zero errors.

In my initial post, I thought maybe being an ED doctor would be more stressful for the following reasons:

1. Constant interruptions and distractions while needing to stay alert. This increases the risk for errors in that busy environment.
2. Multiple emergent issues at the same time, pulling them in different directions, requiring multitasking. Research has shown humans are not good at multitasking.
3. Not knowing any patient history a lot of times, and having to make split decisions on very little information.
4. On the front lines, and at risk for catching an infectious disease, like COVID-19.
5. Dealing with hospital politics and some difficult nurses. It can be stressful if the team you work with is not good, because so much of the outcome does depend on team effort.
6. Some of the trauma and things they see in the ED can be quite difficult to witness.
7. Having to worry about liability and getting sued at the drop of a hat.
8. They never know what’s going to come through the door. It’s impossible to know everything. They have to make important decisions without clear cut answers.
9. Having to constantly explain to family that their loved one didn’t make it.

I’ve seen multiple patients die due to medical errors, but I haven’t seen death due to ATC making an error. That made me think perhaps the employers of ATC take safety more seriously, minimize interruptions, have adequate staffing, create work environment where risk for errors is decreased. All of this helps with stress in a job that’s already inherently stressful. I can’t say that employers in healthcare prioritize safety. In fact, it seems like they do all they can to make things unsafe, expecting more with less staff, etc. A lot of them think of lawsuits as just the cost of doing business.

Just explaining why I asked my initial question, and my thought process. 🙂
 
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I would love to work for a high reliability organization like FAA. I have yet to see a pharmacy or hospital that is a high reliability organization.
 
You’ve never seen ATC cause an accident?


14 seasons (not all ATC caused, of course) of this show. Not sure if you consider the local tower part of “ATC” or just TRACON/ARTCC, but if you do count it...there’s quite a bit.

The accident that sticks in my mind is the mid-air collision of an Aeromexico DC-9 vs a Piper PA-28 over Los Angeles County. Mostly because I fly to LA a lot, and partly because of how grotesque this accident was (the DC-9 decapitated everyone in the Piper). This was pre-TCAS.

 
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You’ve never seen ATC cause an accident?


14 seasons (not all ATC caused, of course) of this show. Not sure if you consider the local tower part of “ATC” or just TRACON/ARTCC, but if you do count it...there’s quite a bit.

The accident that sticks in my mind is the mid-air collision of an Aeromexico DC-9 vs a Piper PA-28 over Los Angeles County. Mostly because I fly to LA a lot, and partly because of how grotesque this accident was (the DC-9 decapitated everyone in the Piper). This was pre-TCAS.

Recently? In the US?

That series looks super interesting! Have you watched all the episodes? It says you have to buy it. I’ll check to see if it’s available on Netflix. I have a feeling if I watch this, I’m going to become terrified of flying. Lol.
 
This comparison is ridiculous. When would a pharmacist ever be in a situation comparible to an ED physician or air traffic controller? Pharmacists who think they have the most stressful job are snowflakes who have never worked another job in their life. Working on a chicken farm is more stressful than being a pharmacist.
 
Omg, I just read about an incident in which an ATC was murdered by a family member of crash victims. What the actual F?

“A year and a half after the crash, on 24 February 2004, Peter Nielsen, the air traffic controller on duty at the time of the collision, was murdered in an apparent act of revenge by Vitaly Kaloyev, a Russian citizen who had lost his wife and two children in the accident.”

Dude was released from prison a few years later. He got a great job back in Russia, and even got a medal. Russians call him a hero. What is wrong with this world?
 
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Omg, I just read about an incident in which an ATC was murdered by a family member of crash victims. What the actual F?

“A year and a half after the crash, on 24 February 2004, Peter Nielsen, the air traffic controller on duty at the time of the collision, was murdered in an apparent act of revenge by Vitaly Kaloyev, a Russian citizen who had lost his wife and two children in the accident.”

Dude was released from prison a few years later. He got a great job back in Russia, and even got a medal. Russians call him a hero. What is wrong with this world?

You've never seen a revenge fantasy action movie? Getting revenge for dead family is probably a trope for a reason.
 
As usual..it depends..Hanging out in the tower at Sioux City or somesuch is likely pretty routine...working approach control at O'Hare in weather is likely not...I would bet that the combination of continuous mid level stress combined with the "oh #### me" moments start to beat a guy up pretty bad. Then there are equipment failures. Being a Federal employee honks as bad or worse than Wally World or Wag's. Flogging pills is stressful in it's own way (dealing with customers..never ending volume...being a high end clerk....etc) but you only kill one person at a time.
 
This comparison is ridiculous. When would a pharmacist ever be in a situation comparible to an ED physician or air traffic controller? Pharmacists who think they have the most stressful job are snowflakes who have never worked another job in their life. Working on a chicken farm is more stressful than being a pharmacist.
Being chased by an outraged rooster....
 
Sounds like ATCs don't practice their profession (actual hiring and performance standards unlike those for techs and pharmacists)
 
Sounds like ATCs don't practice their profession (actual hiring and performance standards unlike those for techs and pharmacists)
Clarify please....and climb to Flight level 350...direct PHNL
 
The nature of the job as a pharmacist is not stressful.

Most of the stress has been created artificially by the employers trying to squeeze as much as work as possible out of the employees.
 
Does anyone know any air traffic controllers? I’m wondering how their stress levels compare to the stress level of pharmacists or ED physicians.

I wish I would have known about air traffic control when I was younger. That would have been something I would have liked to pursue.

I have thought about this as well. Obviously, there is more on the line with air control, but it's government regulated with less burn-out. Also, they still use physical markers, like blocks on time slots. I know accountants and the pressure for mundane tasks is lower with them.
 
Hey guys what's more stressful, being an open heart surgeon or being a pharmacist? I can't decide, please help me out! Heart surgeons don't even have to answer the phone or give flu shots!
 
I’ve seen multiple patients die due to medical errors, but I haven’t seen death due to ATC making an error.

You've seen multiple patients die?! I've never seen or heard of a patient actually die due to a medical error where I've worked. Please tell us where this happened so we can avoid at all costs!
 
You've seen multiple patients die?! I've never seen or heard of a patient actually die due to a medical error where I've worked. Please tell us where this happened so we can avoid at all costs!
@ one grocery chain store pharmacist filled digoxin in a wrong dose. I know that pharmacist. patient died and his license was suspended for a while too. At cvs one rph filled lasix liquid as 10ml per dose instead of one ml per dose. patient might have other commodities, but was reported dead in a week. No one sued that rph, but he was really sad when he found out.
at walgreens one rph dispensed klor con-20 pills in a vicodin labelled bottle. tech scanned vicodin bottle but put klor con in it. pharmacist did not open the bottle and let it go. Patient took 4 tabs/ day for a while and ended up in ER. I don't know what happened afterwards. I know all of these has happened for a fact. Not lying. It does not happen on a daily basis, but it definitely slows you down when you find out. Anyone can make these mistakes, as we try to do 5 things at a time being on phone. One time I filled amitriptyline 100mg instead of 10mg for a skinny patient. I still remember that day. I cried after coming to home!! It;s not only death, anything that can seriously harm patient is bad.
 
@ one grocery chain store pharmacist filled digoxin in a wrong dose. I know that pharmacist. patient died and his license was suspended for a while too. At cvs one rph filled lasix liquid as 10ml per dose instead of one ml per dose. patient might have other commodities, but was reported dead in a week. No one sued that rph, but he was really sad when he found out.
at walgreens one rph dispensed klor con-20 pills in a vicodin labelled bottle. tech scanned vicodin bottle but put klor con in it. pharmacist did not open the bottle and let it go. Patient took 4 tabs/ day for a while and ended up in ER. I don't know what happened afterwards. I know all of these has happened for a fact. Not lying. It does not happen on a daily basis, but it definitely slows you down when you find out. Anyone can make these mistakes, as we try to do 5 things at a time being on phone. One time I filled amitriptyline 100mg instead of 10mg for a skinny patient. I still remember that day. I cried after coming to home!! It;s not only death, anything that can seriously harm patient is bad.
Judging from that person’s posts, they’re just a troll. I just ignore them.

Medication errors can obviously harm and kill, and the working environments and staffing levels don’t usually do much to decrease the likelihood of errors. It’s usually the opposite.
 
I don't know any air traffic controllers personally but I'm guessing that it's waaay more stressful than being a pharmacist. Granted both jobs carry liability where you could kill people.

My boss's daughter used to be an air traffic controller and was involved in a near miss incident....apparently she was completely traumatized and quit her job after that.
 
@ one grocery chain store pharmacist filled digoxin in a wrong dose. I know that pharmacist. patient died and his license was suspended for a while too. At cvs one rph filled lasix liquid as 10ml per dose instead of one ml per dose. patient might have other commodities, but was reported dead in a week. No one sued that rph, but he was really sad when he found out.
at walgreens one rph dispensed klor con-20 pills in a vicodin labelled bottle. tech scanned vicodin bottle but put klor con in it. pharmacist did not open the bottle and let it go. Patient took 4 tabs/ day for a while and ended up in ER. I don't know what happened afterwards. I know all of these has happened for a fact. Not lying. It does not happen on a daily basis, but it definitely slows you down when you find out. Anyone can make these mistakes, as we try to do 5 things at a time being on phone. One time I filled amitriptyline 100mg instead of 10mg for a skinny patient. I still remember that day. I cried after coming to home!! It;s not only death, anything that can seriously harm patient is bad.

Geez. I'm guessing the Vicodin happened when it was still a CIII? How can a pharmacist not even open the bottle, they're supposed to double count controls!
 
I don't know any air traffic controllers personally but I'm guessing that it's waaay more stressful than being a pharmacist. Granted both jobs carry liability where you could kill people.

My boss's daughter used to be an air traffic controller and was involved in a near miss incident....apparently she was completely traumatized and quit her job after that.
The "big sky theory" almost always works...fortunately..
 
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