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hello all,

first posting here - just wanted to say hello to all those prospective future class mates, and congrats to all on acceptances received thus far!
 
Is the CoA in Albany really ~72K/ year? I know tuition is $48,000, but is the estimate accurate? It seems a little excessive to me, and I'm from right outside of Albany.
 
I am a student at Albany. I'm on a research year out at the NIH and I'll be coming back in August as a MS4. Feel free to post questions here and I'll try to answer them, or PM me if you want to ask something privately.
 
when/where should we start looking for housing?
 
when/where should we start looking for housing?
I had difficulty trying to find places in advance and setting up tours. The best solution is to drive around the area and look for signs. Most folks are available and will show the place when you tell them you're physically at the apartment, they just don't do scheduling (I don't know why).

I'd look for apartments in the triangle between Madison, New Scotland, and Manning. There's other good areas as well - around Wash Park, the Helderberg neighborhood, and Center Square. You can find cheaper apartments out there, especially as you go further out from Albany. You can walk to school from most of the places I listed.
 
Do you know of many students who were able to successfully balance home ownership during med school at AMC? My wife and I are trying to figure out if this is realistic financially (relying almost entirely on fin aid)/logistically (getting mortgage in two months before quitting work to become full-time students). Does real estate in Albany look like its on the up and up? I'm just not too thrilled about throwing away four years paying rent money that can't be recouped in any way.
 
Do you know of many students who were able to successfully balance home ownership during med school at AMC? My wife and I are trying to figure out if this is realistic financially (relying almost entirely on fin aid)/logistically (getting mortgage in two months before quitting work to become full-time students). Does real estate in Albany look like its on the up and up? I'm just not too thrilled about throwing away four years paying rent money that can't be recouped in any way.
While I understand the desire not to "throw away" rent money, consider the alternative. You have to own your home generally at least five years before you start to recover your investment in resale. Longer in a worse economy, and most of Upstate is depressed (likely to stay that way). If you plan to be there longer than 5-6 years, then buying a house may be a better move.

That being said, you can pick up a house pretty cheaply in the ALB, so you may not be losing much overall. The big point I would think about is how long you plan to be in the area, and if you're willing to lose your investment should you match outside of the area.

I just re-read your post - are both of you going to be students? I'd put the possibility of home ownership much lower if you have to cover everything in student loans. I don't think you'll get back the value of the loan dollars you put into the house when you sell, and you can live cheaper overall (I believe) renting. You'd need to run the numbers to check.

For disclosure, I will have rented for all four years I spent in Albany.
 
Do you know of many students who were able to successfully balance home ownership during med school at AMC? My wife and I are trying to figure out if this is realistic financially (relying almost entirely on fin aid)/logistically (getting mortgage in two months before quitting work to become full-time students). Does real estate in Albany look like its on the up and up? I'm just not too thrilled about throwing away four years paying rent money that can't be recouped in any way.


I'm a first year right now. First of all welcome to AMC. I've been doing some house hunting with a classmate and picked up a few gems of info in the past couple of months. First of all you can rent a decent 2 BR apartment for around $1200 per month (including bills) so that's $14,400 for the year. No maintenance, no other expenses, done.

If you buy a house the taxes alone on an average Albany house are going to run you $7000 per year and may be going up again. Then you have the cost of maintaining the house which is always more than you expect it to be no matter what (all the houses here are old and have asbestos, lead pipes, etc. so when something goes wrong, in order to comply with new codes you are going to drop lots of cash out of pocket). Then there's the fact that in the first years of your mortgage you are not paying on the principle, only the interest (read losing money). The housing market here is not going up anytime soon according to the realtors who will actually shoot straight with you so if you sold the house for what you bought it for or even a little bit more you still lost money because you paid all that interest and taxes every year. Plus the realtors fees, closing costs, inspections, etc. are not included in the "sale price" so you lose more money that way.

Unless you find a really good deal (which is very unlikely since everything I've seen is overpriced and needs lots of work), you are staying here for residency, and you are willing to buy a fixer-upper and put some good oldfashioned elbow grease into improvements to up the value for low cost, absolutely do not buy a house. Rent, it's so much easier and less expensive.
 
Is the CoA in Albany really ~72K/ year? I know tuition is $48,000, but is the estimate accurate? It seems a little excessive to me, and I'm from right outside of Albany.


I agree it seems a little high but I think the $48 grand is just tuition. You have to add in the ridiculously expensive health insurance, other college fees, the ridiculously expensive tablet that doesn't ever work right, books (and there are a ton of them), travel expenses since so many people are from very far away, the fact that you eat almost every meal out because you rarely ever have time to cook, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some other obvious stuff. Cost of housing is relatively low if you are willing to live with roommates but so many people want to live alone. For a decent 1BR you're looking at $10,000 per year. If you end up with a couple grand left over at the end of the year just take out less the next year but you might be surprised how quickly it runs out. Plus you can always give back any excess without any penalties.
 
Thanks so much for your informed responses to the housing situation, this is very helpful!
 
I agree it seems a little high but I think the $48 grand is just tuition. You have to add in the ridiculously expensive health insurance, other college fees, the ridiculously expensive tablet that doesn't ever work right, books (and there are a ton of them), travel expenses since so many people are from very far away, the fact that you eat almost every meal out because you rarely ever have time to cook, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some other obvious stuff. Cost of housing is relatively low if you are willing to live with roommates but so many people want to live alone. For a decent 1BR you're looking at $10,000 per year. If you end up with a couple grand left over at the end of the year just take out less the next year but you might be surprised how quickly it runs out. Plus you can always give back any excess without any penalties.

Thank you!! I'm 95% sure I'm coming to AMC in August, and I'm getting really excited!😛

Does anyone know when the tablet requirements are coming out? Also, for those of you who are students, which were your favorite classes/professors?? Any good general advice for next year?
 
Thank you!! I'm 95% sure I'm coming to AMC in August, and I'm getting really excited!😛

Does anyone know when the tablet requirements are coming out? Also, for those of you who are students, which were your favorite classes/professors?? Any good general advice for next year?


I think they are still deciding about the tablets. My feeling is that they will go with lenovo again unfortunately. I personally would go ahead and buy an HP tablet as they seem to be much nicer and a whole lot cheaper the last time I checked (about half the price). The people who have them like them so much better than the lenovos. I can't imagine that if you already had a brand new tablet they would make you buy another one. It would be much easier for me to tell you the teachers I didn't like cause the list would be a lot shorter. My favorite systems so far have been neuro and endo, probably because they are so complicated and connect the entire body. Renal was the most difficult but still really interesting because again it is so complicated.

As for general advice, these are just my opinions but they have served me well so far. Use multiple sources to get your information. The more different ways you see the information presented the more likely you are to remember it and more importantly understand it. Go to class and don't take notes. YOu can always take notes later and your brain can only concentrate on one thing at a time. While you were busy writing your notes you invariably missed an important concept and now you are lost. Focus all your attention on what is happening right in front of you and try to get as much out of it initially as possible. Anticipate where the lecture is going next and why. Most people get so caught up in the details that they can't see the forrest for the trees. Every time you are looking at something new try to relate it back to other stuff you already know and connect it to the big picture of how things work together from different systems. Ask yourself why do I need to know this, how is this going to help me treat patients? If you can't come up with anything forget about it and move on. Unfortunately it's a reality that you will be taught a lot of things that are inconsequential to being a physician. Even if one of these things is more than likely going to be on the test don't spend a lot of time on it. Your goal is to be a good doctor. Only focus on the things that will help you achieve that goal. For one it makes learning this stuff a lot more fun but it also helps you keep site of your sense of purpose and why it is you are here. Never memorize something you can easily look up and you know you won't use on a daily basis. Finally, your classmates are your greatest resource. It might seem like you are competing with them because they are they only other med students you, but in reality you are competing with the thousands of other med students across the country and IMG's. About 10 people in your class will be getting E or EH's, everyone else is getting G's and that's fine. The board's are what really count anyway and you want everyone from your school to do well on the boards because it makes your degree look better. The chances that you will be applying and competing for the same residency spot with someone in your class are so minute that it doesn't even matter. If everyone in your class does well it makes the school look good and therefore makes you look that much better. Make sure everyone tries to help each other as much as possible.
 
...As for general advice, these are just my opinions but they have served me well so far. Use multiple sources to get your information. The more different ways you see the information presented the more likely you are to remember it and more importantly understand it...
I agree. Reading things multiple times and presented multiple ways helps you keep interested, build connections between different subjects, and allows you to form a sort of consensus opinion.

...Go to class and don't take notes. YOu can always take notes later and your brain can only concentrate on one thing at a time. While you were busy writing your notes you invariably missed an important concept and now you are lost. Focus all your attention on what is happening right in front of you and try to get as much out of it initially as possible. Anticipate where the lecture is going next and why. Most people get so caught up in the details that they can't see the forrest for the trees. Every time you are looking at something new try to relate it back to other stuff you already know and connect it to the big picture of how things work together from different systems...
I didn't go to class after 1st year. Did not regret it. I listened to recordings of the lectures and used the notes. Spent a regular work day going over the notes every weekday and one weekend day. More as exams approached. My grades didn't change, but I had a lot more free time and much less stress.

...Ask yourself why do I need to know this, how is this going to help me treat patients? If you can't come up with anything forget about it and move on...
Aaaaaand this is why we're getting MDs. /science commentary

...Unfortunately it's a reality that you will be taught a lot of things that are inconsequential to being a physician. Even if one of these things is more than likely going to be on the test don't spend a lot of time on it. Your goal is to be a good doctor. Only focus on the things that will help you achieve that goal. For one it makes learning this stuff a lot more fun but it also helps you keep site of your sense of purpose and why it is you are here. Never memorize something you can easily look up and you know you won't use on a daily basis...
I agree to some extent. We see a lot of BS in the preclinical years. Funny thing, it is the same everywhere you go. I just tried to study it all, and only in retrospect can I ID what was useful for the boards and clinics, and what was not. Sometimes things worked out and you could pull concepts out and things made sense. I loved it when that happened. But for most things, it came down to memorization because of simple constraints: the subject matter, how it was presented, and how much time we have to study it.

...Finally, your classmates are your greatest resource. It might seem like you are competing with them because they are they only other med students you, but in reality you are competing with the thousands of other med students across the country and IMG's...
I agree - there's no point in trying to compete with your classmates. No matter what gunnerish plan you could concoct, it will only affect a person or two before everyone else picks up on it, so your plan won't stop the other 140 people in your class, or the 40,000 other medical students in the country. AMC's grade system basically makes everyone part of this vast undifferentiated middle (Everyone complains at the beginning when they realize they're "just average", however).

For me, my motivation isn't improving the value of my degree, or making the school look good, etc. I just wanted to beat my personal best.

...The board's are what really count anyway and you want everyone from your school to do well on the boards because it makes your degree look better...
Clinical grades count a good deal, though.
 
...Your images are interesting. That guy reminds me of Tom Strong from ABC...
That is the correct reference.

...I am trying to developing a study strategy prior to entry into Albany Med...
I don't think this is possible. Medical school will be different for everyone, and it will take adjustment. In general, if you've succeeded using a particular study strategy so far, then I'd rely upon it until you become acclimated.

...1) Do Profs. A) find showing up to class offensive, B) assign a lot of pop materials, C) frequently discuss useful material sometimes not captured in the audio/video (e.g. what not to study for an exam or the fact that an exam date has changed), D) will be less likely to help you if you ask them questions or for anything else (e.g. letter of recommendation)?...
It depends on the prof, and you will have 20 different profs in the first 6 wk block. Seriously. It was a struggle for me because you could never figure out what was important - you'd have one prof for one lecture, and then a different for the next, and so on.

Some profs get pissed when nobody attends, but they get paid no matter what and enough people attend that the prof can't slip anything by the whole class (and there's not enough gunners for everyone to agree not to tell the rest of the class if the lecturer tries to pass them some special information. It just doesn't happen).

All of our lectures were recorded. They may have a different system now. Announcements were usually replicated, both spoken and emailed. There are no pop exams or assignments, there aren't any unannounced changes in the exam schedule (that is), none of that. Just the final. There's a few mandatory attendance-type classes - like EBHC - where you'll have assignments, but there's no exam.

...2) How do office hours work? Do Profs. have them? Can you ask questions by phone? Skype (…I know I am getting hopeful here)?...
Email and phone are probably best, but again, each prof does only a few lectures, so I don't know how many q's/prof you'll have.

...3) How many classes does someone typically take at one time? I understand that you study things by organs and themes but how many themes are you studying at once?...
You take one theme at a time. There are things like EBHC that will occur throughout the year and during each theme, but the time commitment there is not the same as for the theme coursework.

...4) Relatedly, what does the class schedule look like for a typical first year student (i.e. in terms of class schedule M-F; 8AM, 9AM, 10AM…)?...
9am-12pm lecture, lunch hour, 1pm-3pm or so (sometimes earlier, sometimes later).

...5) What are these mandatory classes you refer to that you must be at?...
Evidence-based healthcare. Another is about patients and ethics. I don't remember the name of it, and I don't care.

Nope. Wait. I remember it now - Healthcare and society. Thanks for making me remember. 🙄

...6) Does the college offer electronic exams too?...
Yeah, there's some changes made in the way they do them, so you might want to ask another student.

...7) Does the college have note taking services?...
There is, but it's a service put together between the students.

...8) What is the learning curve to be able to watch lectures at 2-3X speed?...
Fine? I guess? All of the uhs, ums, errs, and .... slow down the lecture.

...9) What was your insurance policy if you didn't show up to class and the audio recordings were botched?...
You still have the outlines and presentations. You can see what notes your classmates wrote.

...10) Did you work in groups and if so, how did you identify good groupmates and prevent ‘time-killers’ from joining your groups?...
Nope. I was a lone wolf.

...11) Do you know of any other AMC 1st-4th year students active on SDN? They may be able to further enlighten me regarding the electronic resources available at AMC, particularly since you said that they were introduced after your time...
Yes, but I'm not going to "out" them. I will post this in the AMC c/o 2014 thread.

...I probably can’t compensate you for the help you have provided me other than by saying I will do my best to answer questions any student asks me in the future, as I currently try to do...
Actually, how about this: Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day.

...P.S. Unrelatedly, is there a basketball court near AMC or at it? I have heard that there is a racquetball court so am optimistic...
I think so. There's some gym over at the pharm school and another at the Y.
 
Just some clarifying points.

All lectures are recorded both video and audio (adobe connect), and another audio only recording. In the case where BOTH fail then they will post the audio from the previous years lecture to compensate in addition to the normal notes etc you can get through classmates. Usually both work just fine and it isn't a problem.

You ARE required to buy the laptop. I believe one or two people got out of it only due to problems with their lenovo and returning it to the company or something. If you do not order one by the deadline they give you then they will order one for you and expect you to pay via credit card at orientation. I wouldn't recommend buying your own computer, it seems like more of a pain that it's worth and I highly doubt you will get out of buying a lenovo. The lenovo isn't ideal but it will work an is generally fine ( I think the majority of our class have problems with viruses more than actual problems with the lenovo). They tell you about this requirement at your tour for a reason.... it's required.

There is a raquetball court in the hospital. There is more information generally given about this at orientation in terms of how to get there- it's a bit complicated. There are also two small gyms although most students prefer to join another gym (the Y or others in the city).

All exams are on the computer and are also non-proctored (for the in house exams). This is part of why the lenovo is required. For the first year they use a system similar to blackboard called sakai. These exams are unproctored and are based on our honor system. In the second year they use the in-house system and also 50% of the exams (sometimes more sometimes less) are NBME style and on their system. The NBME exams are proctored.
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Theoretically it seems like, as a first year, you could skip most of the classes (particularly since the quizzes and exams are online).

-Are there any other electronic resources which are available other than the audio/video lectures?

-For the exams, do you need some VPN account to take them off campus?

-For the laptop, do you have the model number? Must this be bought through the school?

-Is there a chat service you can use with the Prof. during class (kind of like you can email questions during a CME)? This would come in handy particularly if you decide not to show up to class. The idea of calling someone is good, but why have the middleman. J

-What is the deal with the note taking service RxnMan was talking about? How is it put together?

-What is the library good for other than a study space? Do they charge you for ILL?

-Whats the deal with class participation? Is your grade based solely on your test performance?
 
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-Are there any other electronic resources which are available other than the audio/video lectures?

Histo lab is online (mostly) and generally speaking almost everything that can be online is.

-For the exams, do you need some VPN account to take them off campus?

All exams must be taken on campus in a designated lecture hall. This is a big deal and is a major honor code violation if you do not do this.

-For the laptop, do you have the model number? Must this be bought through the school?

It's the lenovo x200 as of last year. You must buy it through school, again they will order one for you if you do not preorder it.

-Is there a chat service you can use with the Prof. during class (kind of like you can email questions during a CME)? This would come in handy particularly if you decide not to show up to class. The idea of calling someone is good, but why have the middleman. J

They have something like this but to be honest people (both students and lecturers) don't use it. If you want to ask questions in class, you should go to class. Personally I think the face-to-face time with lecturers is important and I go to class on most days. Also, some lecturers use props etc that are hard to get online. It's up to you and each student is different though. You'll figure out what works for you.

-What is the deal with the note taking service RxnMan was talking about? How is it put together?

Our class doesn't seem to use this but if you want notes just ask a friend and they are usually more than happy to help you out. I assume though that each class can set up what they want for this. I don't think other people's notes will be helpful though... you need to go/listen/read for yourself.

-What is the library good for other than a study space? Do they charge you for ILL?

ILL? Not sure what that is. I don't like the library but many people do. They have computer labs, books, reference books including all our textbooks, study rooms, little cubbies... it's a library. You can also make copies and print stuff out if you want but with your laptop I don't see a need usually.

-Whats the deal with class participation? Is your grade based solely on your test performance?

Grades are based on your test performance. Class is not required so there is no way to track participation. There is usually a written portion, anatomy practical, and histology practical for each exam (sometimes they are all on one day other times they are separated out to different days). Also, your anatomy quiz grades go into that grade (although this is a minor portion). Just to go over it before somebody asks, anatomy is set up as tables of 6 and you dissect in pairs. Usually you rotate through so you will be doing every 3rd dissection. After you dissect you will teach the other 4 tablemates the dissection and those 4 then take a quiz. The entire table gets the grade for the quizzes. They make up a VERY small portion but still it's good to do well.
 
ILL is Interlibrary Loan.
-Does the school get some kickback for the laptop from IBM or is it an IT issue that they force this standardization? It seems kind of lame.
-RxnMan, med11323 mentioned the props. With your lone wolf strategy and not showing up to class, what did you do to get around the limitation of not being able to see the props?
-When you say that the entire table gets the grade for the anatomy quizzes, do you mean the table takes the quiz as a group or that the three groups take the quiz and the average quiz grade is given to al 6 individuals?
-Can you choose your anatomy team?
Thanks for your answers.
 
-Are there any other electronic resources which are available other than the audio/video lectures?

You have access to all of the journals and databases that the hospital buys subscriptions to. Just about anything you can think of. You'll be able to access this all from anywhere once you start.

-For the exams, do you need some VPN account to take them off campus?

As med11323 said, all exams will be taken on campus. Occasionally quizzes will be available to take from home; these you will get through the main internet portal that you'll get to know very well once you start


-What is the deal with the note taking service RxnMan was talking about? How is it put together?

There used to be a transcription service where people would transcribe the lecture audio. You could buy in and the duty of transcribing would rotate from person to person. It died out, and now with audio and video recordings I don't think it'll be coming back.

-RxnMan, med11323 mentioned the props. With your lone wolf strategy and not showing up to class, what did you do to get around the limitation of not being able to see the props?

I didn't go to class all of 2nd year and rarely felt I missed anything that I couldn't find in a book (and my grades didn't differ from 1st year). But if you want to go you should go. Whatever works for you personally is the right thing to do.

-When you say that the entire table gets the grade for the anatomy quizzes, do you mean the table takes the quiz as a group or that the three groups take the quiz and the average quiz grade is given to al 6 individuals?

Your anatomy team is 6 people, and that is divided into 3 two-person dissection teams. You and your partner will do every 3rd dissection. 2 days after you do a dissection you teach that dissection to the other 4 members of your team. Those 4 will then take a short quiz, and whatever score they get is the score all 6 people get for the quiz.

-Can you choose your anatomy team?
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Nope.
 
Congrats to everyone who will be attending Albany next year. It's a great school.
 
Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day.

Crazy points for Godfather reference.

I'm one of the AMC students on here occasionally. 3rd year, so our lectures were more like the 4th year/recent grads and not like the 1st and 2nd years. But general structure is the same, just media aspects are different.

Med school's not as scary as everyone makes it seem. There's plenty of down time to get out to the bar or go on a trip.

It all goes by crazy fast too.
 
Hi! I'm interested in finding out about health insurance in upstate New York. I've heard the insurance provided through AMC is really expensive. Can anyone recommend any cheaper options?
 
Hi! I'm interested in finding out about health insurance in upstate New York. I've heard the insurance provided through AMC is really expensive. Can anyone recommend any cheaper options?
I remember a year of health insurance for AMC students being in the neighborhood of $2200-ish. I don't know of any other local sources of health insurance.
 
has anyone had an experience or heard about anyone having an experience w/living in the apts run by madison ave associates on the park?
 
Anyone looking to live in a nice apartment building not right by school? The place I live in is nice. It's about 10-15 minutes from door-to-door. Has central air plus washer dryer hookups. You can also rent a washer dryer combo for cheap so you don't have to go to the laundromat to do laundry. It's right next to a Super Walmart and one of the grocery store chains around here called PriceChopper. It's called Glenmont Manor and it's on route 9W. It's great for anyone with kids or a spouse too.

Here's a link to a map of where it is.

Map From Glenmont Manor to AMC
 
Even though insurance may seem expensive, I know that last year they made you either get the schools or go on your parent's insurance (NO other exceptions were made). You can't get your own insurance and get an exception from the school's insurance. I'd check this out before you went ahead and paid for your own- they may charge you for AMC's regardless of if you have your own privately.
 
The AMC website says intramural soccer, basketball, and softball leagues are organize each year. Anyone participate in or know the contact for this?

Thanks
 
The AMC website says intramural soccer, basketball, and softball leagues are organize each year. Anyone participate in or know the contact for this?

Thanks

You'll get lots of emails about these things and many other clubs and opportunities. There's also a day early in the year where all the clubs set up tables and such and you can cruise around and see what's out there. If you want to start something and there's not a club, you can do that too.
 
Sorry to throw this into the thread but I was just accepted to Albany after already being pretty much set to go to NYMC. To me, ignoring cost of attendance, the schools seem pretty even. They both do similarly on Step 1 and both match competitively, however NYMC seems to have done a bit better this year (their 2010 results) compared to the most recent Albany data (2009). I didn't do much back research so I don't know if the differences in scores/match are just this year or an ongoing trend. The respective home hospitals (AMC and Westchester) seem about the same as well, however I don't know as much about Albany's hospital affiliates as I do about NYMC's. The major plus to Albany for me is the systems based curriculum. Basically, the schools seem pretty well balanced to me and I'm having a difficult time coming to any kind of decision. I was wondering if anyone had to make the same decision and could provide some insight that would tip the scale either way. Or if someone wants to throw something out there that they think I should consider, please feel free.
 
I know I am a little late in the process but I am currently looking for a housing..Anyone need an extra roommate..let me know..Thanks!
 
Hi guys,
My ex-landlord has a 1 bedroom and now a studio available for rent. Heat included. Off street parking available. Email me if interested. 5 min walk to amc (I am serious about this). My landlord will be showing the apts on Sunday.
[email protected].
Congrats to all.
 
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