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Kind of a naive question, I guess, but are all residency programs affiliated with Medical Schools in some way or another?
skiz knot said:Kind of a naive question, I guess, but are all residency programs affiliated with Medical Schools in some way or another?
Amy said:No. There are many community hospitals with residency programs that are not affiliated with any University/med school. There are probably some programs that don't even have students rotate there.
Apollyon said:To my knowledge, EVERY residency program is, at the bottom line, associated with one or more med schools (the group I'm joining is in a community hospital, but it (the hospital) has academic connections with both the University of South Carolina and the Medical University of South Carolina) - that is because the education has to be accredited. If there is no med school affiilation, no matter how tenuous, it is not accredited.
Now, as far as hospitals, I'm not sure, as in if a student rotates at a hospital that does not have a residency associated (like a rural medicine thing), if there is a med school affiliation.
Obedeli said:Not every residency program is associated with a medical school. I know this, because 3 of my interviews 2 years ago were at community programs with no affiliations to a medical school. You should know in medicine that words like "EVERY" or "ALL" are usually not correct.![]()
If you don't believe, search the NRMP for yourself.
Apollyon said:I don't have time to go through 5000+ programs - can you name some of the programs? Then I'll look it up!
And, were they accredited residencies?
Apollyon said:To my knowledge, EVERY residency program is, at the bottom line, associated with one or more med schools (the group I'm joining is in a community hospital, but it (the hospital) has academic connections with both the University of South Carolina and the Medical University of South Carolina) - that is because the education has to be accredited. If there is no med school affiilation, no matter how tenuous, it is not accredited.
Now, as far as hospitals, I'm not sure, as in if a student rotates at a hospital that does not have a residency associated (like a rural medicine thing), if there is a med school affiliation.
Obedeli said:What kind of question is that?!?!
No, I interviewed at residencies associated with hollywood upstairs medical college, all non accredited and guaranteed to be a huge waste of time. Just a note, residencies that lose accreditation, lose the ability to produce physicians that can be board certified and they either fold or reapply and keep their residents in purgatory. Check out the anesthesia program at USF in their thread.
Apollyon said:If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.
njbmd said:Hi there,
You have NO life. Poor thing
njbmd 😉
Apollyon said:Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.
To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.
Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.
Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.
I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.
If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.
Apollyon said:Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.
To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.
Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.
Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.
I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.
If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.
Apollyon said:Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.
To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.
Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.
Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.
I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.
If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.
Obedeli said:Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.
Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistent ignorative state must continue.
Obedeli said:Some more private non-medical school programs.
... OH, also Roanoke...
sacrament said:Apollyon is correct. The affiliation may virtually be in name only, but it's always there.
pillowhead said:at least according to FRIEDA, Birmingham Baptist does not list any kind of academic affiliation.
Apollyon said:http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/inst...rid=6334121&findid=0&stateid=1&calc=108704344
Univ of Alabama Sch of Med, Birmingham, AL
FREIDA information is provided by programs, and many don't update or have not updated. ACGME.org is the place to go.
Edit: Ah, damn, the link doesn't work - still, go to the ACGME ads-public program search, and look for "sponsoring institutions" in Alabama. You'll find it there.
Obedeli said:Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.
Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistent ignorative state must continue.
neutropenic said:I am unsure if Maine Medical Center is affiliated with a medical school. Also unsure of Mercy of Pittsburgh and Reading Hospital of PA.
Nutmeg1621 said:No.
This website lists all residencies by specialty and location. It also lists those not associated with medical schools.
http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/srch/1,1239,,00.html
Obedeli said:What kind of question is that?!?!
No, I interviewed at residencies associated with hollywood upstairs medical college, all non accredited and guaranteed to be a huge waste of time. Just a note, residencies that lose accreditation, lose the ability to produce physicians that can be board certified and they either fold or reapply and keep their residents in purgatory. Check out the anesthesia program at USF in their thread.
Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
and few others although I cannot recall their names.
Look, check out other specialty threads and see the raging debates between community vs university based programs. This is like proving the sky is blue.
Some students may do away rotations at these places or electives but the faculty and department are all private. There are plenty of combo type programs like Savannah.
Some more private non-medical school programs.
Oh I almost forgot one of the largest programs in Florida: Orlando regional medical center. Also Florida hospital affiliations, oh and Bayfront in St. Pete and a few scattered in south florida. OH, also Roanoke and spartanberg. Chatanooga as well I think.
Simply put, their aren't enough medical schools to accomadate all the residencies available.
njbmd said:Hi there,
You have NO life. Poor thing
njbmd 😉
Apollyon said:As far as I can tell, this is, possibly, the only one in the US - out of thousands (something like 3000 programs in all fields total).
Apollyon said:Interesting...Fox Chase does a lot with Temple University, but doesn't seem to be "affiliated".
The last two, though (sponsors, not programs), have affiliations with UCSF and Keck & Geffen & Irvine. I guess it's possible (although I'd find it unlikely) that the facility can be affiliated, but not specific programs.