All residency programs affiliated with a Med School?

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Kind of a naive question, I guess, but are all residency programs affiliated with Medical Schools in some way or another?

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skiz knot said:
Kind of a naive question, I guess, but are all residency programs affiliated with Medical Schools in some way or another?

I am unsure if Maine Medical Center is affiliated with a medical school. Also unsure of Mercy of Pittsburgh and Reading Hospital of PA.
 
No. There are many community hospitals with residency programs that are not affiliated with any University/med school. There are probably some programs that don't even have students rotate there.
 
Amy said:
No. There are many community hospitals with residency programs that are not affiliated with any University/med school. There are probably some programs that don't even have students rotate there.


That would be a big plus IMHO 👍
 
ACGME states that a "sponsoring institution" is required for accreditation. Below is their definition of said requirement.

Institution: An organization having the primary purpose of providing educational programs and/or health care services (e.g., a university, a medical school, a hospital, a school of public health, a health department, a public health agency, an organized health care delivery system, a medical examiner’s office, a consortium, an educational foundation).

Sponsoring Institution: The institution (or entity) that assumes the ultimate financial and academic responsibility for a program of GME.
 
To my knowledge, EVERY residency program is, at the bottom line, associated with one or more med schools (the group I'm joining is in a community hospital, but it (the hospital) has academic connections with both the University of South Carolina and the Medical University of South Carolina) - that is because the education has to be accredited. If there is no med school affiilation, no matter how tenuous, it is not accredited.

Now, as far as hospitals, I'm not sure, as in if a student rotates at a hospital that does not have a residency associated (like a rural medicine thing), if there is a med school affiliation.
 
Apollyon said:
To my knowledge, EVERY residency program is, at the bottom line, associated with one or more med schools (the group I'm joining is in a community hospital, but it (the hospital) has academic connections with both the University of South Carolina and the Medical University of South Carolina) - that is because the education has to be accredited. If there is no med school affiilation, no matter how tenuous, it is not accredited.

Now, as far as hospitals, I'm not sure, as in if a student rotates at a hospital that does not have a residency associated (like a rural medicine thing), if there is a med school affiliation.

Not every residency program is associated with a medical school. I know this, because 3 of my interviews 2 years ago were at community programs with no affiliations to a medical school. You should know in medicine that words like "EVERY" or "ALL" are usually not correct. :laugh:

If you don't believe, search the NRMP for yourself.
 
Obedeli said:
Not every residency program is associated with a medical school. I know this, because 3 of my interviews 2 years ago were at community programs with no affiliations to a medical school. You should know in medicine that words like "EVERY" or "ALL" are usually not correct. :laugh:

If you don't believe, search the NRMP for yourself.

I don't have time to go through 5000+ programs - can you name some of the programs? Then I'll look it up!

And, were they accredited residencies?
 
Apollyon said:
I don't have time to go through 5000+ programs - can you name some of the programs? Then I'll look it up!

And, were they accredited residencies?

What kind of question is that?!?!

No, I interviewed at residencies associated with hollywood upstairs medical college, all non accredited and guaranteed to be a huge waste of time. Just a note, residencies that lose accreditation, lose the ability to produce physicians that can be board certified and they either fold or reapply and keep their residents in purgatory. Check out the anesthesia program at USF in their thread.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
and few others although I cannot recall their names.

Look, check out other specialty threads and see the raging debates between community vs university based programs. This is like proving the sky is blue.

Some students may do away rotations at these places or electives but the faculty and department are all private. There are plenty of combo type programs like Savannah.

Some more private non-medical school programs.
Oh I almost forgot one of the largest programs in Florida: Orlando regional medical center. Also Florida hospital affiliations, oh and Bayfront in St. Pete and a few scattered in south florida. OH, also Roanoke and spartanberg. Chatanooga as well I think.

Simply put, their aren't enough medical schools to accomadate all the residencies available.
 
Apollyon said:
To my knowledge, EVERY residency program is, at the bottom line, associated with one or more med schools (the group I'm joining is in a community hospital, but it (the hospital) has academic connections with both the University of South Carolina and the Medical University of South Carolina) - that is because the education has to be accredited. If there is no med school affiilation, no matter how tenuous, it is not accredited.

Now, as far as hospitals, I'm not sure, as in if a student rotates at a hospital that does not have a residency associated (like a rural medicine thing), if there is a med school affiliation.

Hi there,
No, not every residency program is affiliated with a university or medical school. These are called community programs and are only affiliated with the hospital that sponsors the residency. For the people who train there, these community programs are fine and provide great training but no medical students (unless doing an audition rotation/clerkship). The accrediting agency for all allopathic residencies community or not is the ACGME.

A person can rotate through a hospital that has a medical school affiliation but no residency program. Rockingham Memorial Hospital is affiliated with the University of Virginia Medical School of Medicine because PGY-4 UVa General Surgery residents rotate through there. It is a community hospital with no residency program and no medical students unless they are doing a rotation with an attending there.

njbmd 🙂
 
Obedeli said:
What kind of question is that?!?!

No, I interviewed at residencies associated with hollywood upstairs medical college, all non accredited and guaranteed to be a huge waste of time. Just a note, residencies that lose accreditation, lose the ability to produce physicians that can be board certified and they either fold or reapply and keep their residents in purgatory. Check out the anesthesia program at USF in their thread.

Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.

To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey

None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.

Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.

I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.

If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.
 
Ah - I found one FELLOWSHIP program in OrthoSx that is not affiliated with a med school - it is accredited, and it is a sports med fellowship - the "Orthopaedic Research of Virginia Program [2685121039]".

edit: have found several OrthoSx FELLOWSHIPS without a med school affiliation. I still stand by every residency having a med school affiliation, though.
 
Apollyon said:
If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.

Hi there,
You have NO life. Poor thing
njbmd 😉
 
Apollyon said:
Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.

To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey

None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.

Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.

I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.

If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.


Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.
 
Apollyon said:
Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.

To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey

None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.

Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.

I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.

If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.


Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.

Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistant ignorative state must continue.
 
Apollyon said:
Hey, relax with the sarcasm - you say you went to programs but don't say where. I was asking where, and you flip out.

To you, njbmd, just because PGY4's rotate at a hospital doesn't mean the program is based there. That's not the issue. The 'sponsoring institution' is not Rockingham. I know what a community hospital is, but Carolinas Medical Center, for example is possibly the largest community hospital in the US - they are affilated with UNC - Chapel Hill SOM.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey

None of these has an ACGME or FREIDA entry for anesthesia programs - were they anesthesia or prelim-IM or transitional? There isn't even a "Christiana Health Care" in New Jersey, unless it is under another name. Christiana in Deleware is affiliated with Thomas Jefferson Univ SOM. Morristown, NJ is part of "Atlantic Health Care", and that is affiliated with Drexel Univ SOM, UMDNJ-Newark, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. The only two accredited anesthesia programs in Tennessee are at Vanderbilt and UT-Knoxville. According to FREIDA and ACGME, and even the Orlando Regional website, there is no anesthesia program there.

Anesthesia is very limited - out of over 100 programs, I find very few that are not university-based, and NONE without a med school affiliation.

I will make a statement right now - ALL accredited residencies (MD) are listed on www.acgme.org, and ALL accredited residencies - even if not AT the med school - have a med school affiliation - bar none.

If anyone can name any program that you say does not have a med school affiliation, tell me, and I will look it up. I am saying right now, though, that that does not exist.


Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.

Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistent ignorative state must continue.
 
Obedeli said:
Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.

Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistent ignorative state must continue.

"Looks", I had NOTHING to do with any "HIV doesn't cause AIDS" thread. Increase your reading comprehension.

You are unclear in your writing - what are you saying? I mean, it's not even making much sense with your sentence structure. You said "places you interviewed at", but did not say in what field.

What I can tell you (who is looking more ignorant by the minute) that every single program at every single one of those places you mention are ALL AFFILIATED WITH A MEDICAL SCHOOL - BAR NONE.

Perhaps your "ignorative state" is persistent. As I said, ALL ACGME-ACCREDITED RESIDENCIES ARE AFFILIATED WITH A US MEDICAL SCHOOL. That is all. You are WRONG.
 
Obedeli said:
Some more private non-medical school programs.
... OH, also Roanoke...

I am at Roanoke, and we are affiliated with UVa.
 
Apollyon is correct. The affiliation may virtually be in name only, but it's always there.
 
sacrament said:
Apollyon is correct. The affiliation may virtually be in name only, but it's always there.

at least according to FRIEDA, Birmingham Baptist does not list any kind of academic affiliation.
 
pillowhead said:
at least according to FRIEDA, Birmingham Baptist does not list any kind of academic affiliation.

http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/inst...rid=6334121&findid=0&stateid=1&calc=108704344

Univ of Alabama Sch of Med, Birmingham, AL

FREIDA information is provided by programs, and many don't update or have not updated. ACGME.org is the place to go.

Edit: Ah, damn, the link doesn't work - still, go to the ACGME ads-public program search, and look for "sponsoring institutions" in Alabama. You'll find it there.
 
Apollyon said:
http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/inst...rid=6334121&findid=0&stateid=1&calc=108704344

Univ of Alabama Sch of Med, Birmingham, AL

FREIDA information is provided by programs, and many don't update or have not updated. ACGME.org is the place to go.

Edit: Ah, damn, the link doesn't work - still, go to the ACGME ads-public program search, and look for "sponsoring institutions" in Alabama. You'll find it there.

woot , I was waiting for Alabama to fall into the picture before posting. I'm pretty sure Apollyon is correct on this one. At first when I was applying to some programs I thought some residency program were just stand alone, but If you go to FREIDA, all of them have some kind of an affiliation. At least all the ones that I had a question about.

So, All those Baptists are affiliated with UAB. Baptist South in Montgomery (where I am doing my preliminary year in medicine) is also associated with UAB. The family practice residency in Huntsville (where I did most of my 3rd/4th years) was also associated with UAB.

But lets continue the search, maybe we'll find an internal medicine/family medicine residency program that is affiliated with the nothing (which would kind of not make sense because who would the attendings be working for?)
 
Obedeli said:
Good golly you're nuts. Looks, all those programs I listed are not just or do some of them even have anesthesiology programs. There are other residencies?!?!? Aren't you the one who posted the HIV doesn't cause AIDS thread? This is begining to take on the same level of stubborn insanity.

Baptist memphis: radiology
Baptist Birmingham: radiology, transitional, surgery, a couple of others
Orlando: IM, PEDS, Surgery, OB, Ortho?
Florida hosp: FM
Bayfront: OB, FM, surgery?
Check out other residencies at these sites and elsewhere if this persistent ignorative state must continue.

All on FRIEDA:

Baptist memphis is with Uni. of Tennessee
Baptist Bham is UAB
Orlando is UF, USF, Florida ST, Mayo
Florida Hospital is Loma Linda (hmm); USF; Florida St.
Bayfront is USF
 
neutropenic said:
I am unsure if Maine Medical Center is affiliated with a medical school. Also unsure of Mercy of Pittsburgh and Reading Hospital of PA.

While I'm at it:

Maine Medical Center: U of Vermont, Dartmouth
Mercy: Jefferson and U of Pittsburgh
Reading (where one of my good friends is going!):Temple; Penn St.; Drexel
 
Nutmeg1621 said:
No.


This website lists all residencies by specialty and location. It also lists those not associated with medical schools.
http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/srch/1,1239,,00.html

More postpadding, even though this is the gen res forum 🙁

Where is this info, I'm looking around for it. There is a link for "med school affiliations" but don't see a place listing places that aren't affiliated...
 
Obedeli said:
What kind of question is that?!?!

No, I interviewed at residencies associated with hollywood upstairs medical college, all non accredited and guaranteed to be a huge waste of time. Just a note, residencies that lose accreditation, lose the ability to produce physicians that can be board certified and they either fold or reapply and keep their residents in purgatory. Check out the anesthesia program at USF in their thread.

Baptist Memphis
Baptist Birmingham
Christiana Health Care in New Jersey
Morristown New Jersey
and few others although I cannot recall their names.

Look, check out other specialty threads and see the raging debates between community vs university based programs. This is like proving the sky is blue.

Some students may do away rotations at these places or electives but the faculty and department are all private. There are plenty of combo type programs like Savannah.

Some more private non-medical school programs.
Oh I almost forgot one of the largest programs in Florida: Orlando regional medical center. Also Florida hospital affiliations, oh and Bayfront in St. Pete and a few scattered in south florida. OH, also Roanoke and spartanberg. Chatanooga as well I think.

Simply put, their aren't enough medical schools to accomadate all the residencies available.


I've read a bunch of community vs. university debates, and my impression was that even though it is a community, the residency part was taught by faculty hired by a certain institution. Just because its community (and therefore has non-school affiliated folks) doesn't mean they do not have schools associated with them.

So, simply, there are enough schools that are supporting residencies...even if it is limited...
 
njbmd said:
Hi there,
You have NO life. Poor thing
njbmd 😉

Also, I think its very bad to end an argument by stating the other person has no life....thats not the question here (and we already know apollyon has no life haha).

Oh, this is my 6/7th post in a row on this topic. No life for me now.
 
I found one - I think!

I figured the WAMI states (those without med schools) would be a good place to start. Likewise, these states that have residencies are likely only Family Medicine. As I looked, in Alaska, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, there are indeed only FM programs. For all of these programs, they are affiliated with the University of Washington SOM in Seattle - except 1, sort of. In Wyoming, there are two FM programs: in Casper, and in Cheyenne. For the sponsoring institution, the University of Wyoming, the med school affiliation is indeed UW. Likewise, for the Casper program, it gives UW. HOWEVER, for the FM program in Cheyenne, 1205712369, on acgme.org, there is no affiliation!

As far as I can tell, this is, possibly, the only one in the US - out of thousands (something like 3000 programs in all fields total).
 
Apollyon said:
As far as I can tell, this is, possibly, the only one in the US - out of thousands (something like 3000 programs in all fields total).

Found more:

Fox Chase Cancer Center Program [4304121123]
Fox Chase Cancer Center
333 Cottman Avenue
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19111

http://www.fccc.edu

Sponsoring Institution: Fox Chase Cancer Center
Specialty: Radiation Oncology

DIRECTOR INFORMATION COORDINATOR INFORMATION
Gary M. Freedman, MD
Director Radiation Oncology Residency Program
Director First Appointed: March 1, 2003
Phone: (215) 728-3016
Fax: (215) 214-1629
Email: [email protected]
Susanne P. Horn
Residency Program Coordinator

Phone: (215) 728-2789
Email: [email protected]


ACCREDITATION AND GENERAL INFORMATION
Original Accreditation Date: October 7, 1992
Accreditation Status: Continued Full Accreditation
Accreditation Effective Date: January 18, 2005
Accredited Program Length: 4 years

Program Format: Standard

Last Site Review Date: June 24, 2004
Cycle Length: 5 years
Next Site Review Date (approximate): January 1, 2010

Program Requires Prior or Additional GME Training: YES
Number of Prior or Additional Years Required: 1
Program Requires Dedicated Research Year: NO
Program Participates in National Resident Matching Program: YES

Number of MD/DO Teaching Staff Whose Primary Responsibility is Resident Education: 8
Governement Affiliation: No Military or Government Affiliation


ACGME APPROVED/OFFERED POSITIONS ACGME FILLED POSITIONS (CATEGORICAL AND PRELIMINARY POSITIONS ONLY)
Year 1 Positions:

Year 2 Positions:

Year 3 Positions:
Year 4 Positions:

Total Number of Approved/Offered Resident Positions: 8
Year 1 Filled Positions: 2
Year 2 Filled Positions: 2
Year 3 Filled Positions: 2
Year 4 Filled Positions: 1

Total Number of Filled Positions (Residents on duty in categorical/preliminary positions as of Aug 31st of the current academic year): 7


MEDICAL SCHOOL AFFILIATIONS
No Affiliations

PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS AND ROTATIONS
Fox Chase Cancer Center - Sponsor
Year 1 Months of Rotation: 12
Year 2 Months of Rotation: 12
Year 3 Months of Rotation: 12
Year 4 Months of Rotation: 12



Marianjoy Rehabilitation Hospital [168025] [8001610000]
Marianjoy Rehabilitation Hospital
26 West 171 Roosevelt Road
Wheaton, Illinois 60187
http://www.marianjoy.org


HIPAA Business Associate Agreement On Record: Yes
Single/Limited Site Sponsor



CEO INFORMATION DESIGNATED INSTITUTIONAL OFFICIAL INFORMATION
Kathleen C. Yosko
President and Chief Executive Officer

Phone: (630) 462-4182
Fax: (630) 462-4440
Email: [email protected]
Noel Rao, MD
Program Director

Phone: (630) 462-4180
Fax: (630) 462-4521
Email: [email protected]


REVIEW INFORMATION
Accreditation Status:
Effective:
Last Site Review Date:
Next Site Review Date (approximate):

Ownership or Control Type: Other Non-profit
Type of Institution: Rehabilitation Facility


MEDICAL SCHOOL AFFILIATIONS
No Affiliations Found!

Also these two:

California Pacific Medical Center Program [4300522012]
California Pacific Medical Center
Department of Radiation Oncology
2333 Buchanan Street
San Francisco, California 94115

Kaiser Permanente Southern California (Los Angeles) Program [4300521115]
Kaiser Foundation Hospital
Department of Radiation Oncology
4950 Sunset Boulevard, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, California 90027
 
Interesting...Fox Chase does a lot with Temple University, but doesn't seem to be "affiliated".

The last two, though (sponsors, not programs), have affiliations with UCSF and Keck & Geffen & Irvine. I guess it's possible (although I'd find it unlikely) that the facility can be affiliated, but not specific programs.
 
Apollyon said:
Interesting...Fox Chase does a lot with Temple University, but doesn't seem to be "affiliated".

The last two, though (sponsors, not programs), have affiliations with UCSF and Keck & Geffen & Irvine. I guess it's possible (although I'd find it unlikely) that the facility can be affiliated, but not specific programs.

That would be interesting, they could be with the nursing/allied health programs if they do not say specifically which residency program.
 
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